Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? (4213 hits)
Where is the real proof - archeological evidence, state records and primary sources?
Here's a question for you: what do actor Charlton Heston, DreamWorks animation studios and Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin all have in common? Well, they've all, at one time or another, perpetuated the myth that the Jews built the pyramids. And it is a myth, make no mistake. Even if we take the earliest possible date for Jewish slavery that the Bible suggests, the Jews were enslaved in Egypt a good three hundred years after the 1750 B.C. completion date of the pyramids. That is, of course, if they were ever slaves in Egypt at all.
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We are so quick to point out the obvious lies about Jews and Israel that come out in Egypt – the Sinai Governors claims that the Mossad released a shark into the Red Sea to kill Egyptians, or, as I once read in a newspaper whilst on holiday in Cairo, the tale of the magnetic belt buckles that Jews were selling cheap in Egypt that would sterilize men on contact – yet we so rarely examine our own misconceptions about the nature of our history with the Egyptian nation.
We tend, in the midst of our disdain for Egyptian, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, to overlook the fact that one of the biggest events of the Jewish calendar is predicated upon reminding the next generation every year of how the Egyptians were our cruel slave-masters, in a bondage that likely never happened. Is this really so different from Jaws the Mossad agent?
The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.
It is hard to believe that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it. It is remarkable that Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time. No rapid departure from traditional pottery has been seen, no record or story of a surge in population.
In fact, there's absolutely no more evidence to suggest that the story is true than there is in support of any of the Arab world's conspiracy theories and tall tales about Jews.
So, as we come to Passover 2013 when, thanks to the “Arab Spring,” our relations with Egypt are at a nearly 40 year low, let us enjoy our Seder and read the story by all means, but also remind those at the table who may forget that it is just a metaphor, and that there is no ancient animosity between Israelites and Egyptians. Because, if we want to re-establish that elusive peace with Egypt that so many worked so hard to build, we're all going to have to let go of our prejudices.
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"Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?
Here's a question for you: what do actor Charlton Heston, DreamWorks animation studios and Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin all have in common? Well, they've all, at one time or another, perpetuated the myth that the Jews built the pyramids.
In fact, there's absolutely no more evidence to suggest that the story is true than there is in support of any of the Arab world's conspiracy theories and tall tales about Jews."
how, where and why -----does all this come together in yourMind only that seems to battle 68 IQHarry for Divinity?
For the record, Robert Powell . posts are nothing but incoherent rants of pseudo-intellectual phrases that have absolutely no bearing.
Sunday, December 22nd 2013 at 7:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello David,
You asked the question, “Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?”
Well, it is the Jewish people’s testimony that they were slaves in Egypt. I believe that it is true because of two reasons. First reason is that the Egyptians do not deny Joseph being in Egypt and second in command to Pharaoh. Joseph was the son of Jacob who were sold into slavery and it was during the famine that re-united the family in Egypt.
My second reason is the ritual Passover God instructed Prophet Moses to do that is still practice today the same way it when down 4000 years ago.
Anyway, our concern is not about the Bible, Moses, Mohammed or the Jewish Jesus. Our concern is about God and our very own Prophet Harry and our sovereignty in a country of our own with our own religion and book.
When are we going to spend time on our selves? We are always unnecessarily talking about other people and never ourselves, why?
Well, it is the Jewish people’s testimony that they were slaves in Egypt. I believe that it is true because of two reasons. First reason is that the Egyptians do not deny Joseph being in Egypt and second in command to Pharaoh. Joseph was the son of Jacob who were sold into slavery and it was during the famine that re-united the family in Egypt..
Harry believes the Jewish people’s testimony that they were slaves in Egypt.
Egyptians do not deny Joseph being in Egypt,, second in command to Pharaoh. Joseph was the son of Jacob who were sold into slavery and it was during the famine that re-united the family in Egypt..
HRRY HAS CHOSEN TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT HAS TO SAY RELIGION HAS YOU LOCK INTO A FOOLISH WAY OF THINKING ! BUT YOU DONT KNOW ANY BETTER ~! YOU BEEN BRAIN WASHED AND NOW YOUR BRAIN DEAD ,,the same people you say are not for b lack people you follow their bible and there theory's you are a foolish thinker ,,,,,,,
Sunday, December 22nd 2013 at 10:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
you dont know what your assignment is Harry this is why youve wasted 10 years for nothing god is not with you because god is not a god of foolishness god has a order ,,,you harry are a lost in the wilderness of ignorance to who you are !
Let me show you what you are not doing that I am doing. I said I believe the story of the Exodus and gave two good concrete reasons why and all you did was got on me because I believe with intelligent reasons.
Instead of you show some how that I am wrong because Joseph did not exist or the Passover celebration Jesus and today’s Jewish people have never celebrated you choose to mock me. Mocking some one is not show that they are wrong. It just shows that you did rise up to standards to defeat me so you default to mocking me. Can’t you do better than that David?
And, if you can’t do any better to over come me than I am your first genuine prophet! Can’t you see that no one can trump me? it is but a matter of time!
I am a descendant of Africa my great great grand father was a African a Zulu I dare not slap him in the face and say im not a African ,,people have accepted any and all the name they want to give to our people and if that is what you want to believe fine, but me... I am a AFRICAN AND NO UNCLE TOM ,SELL OUT n*gga ,STEPHEN FLETCHER ,WANNA BE FAKE PROPHET IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT !
Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 7:04AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello David,
You said this, “HARRY i am your god cant you see,,,” I see that at times you fall back into great darkness and mental delusion.
Then you said this, “I am a descendant of Africa…..” Many Africans including Mandingo warriors, big-bad and tough Zulu people were taken from African and after going through the slave master’s wash-cycle they all turn into the average Black Americans we see today that are a new race of people I came to save.
You are still a very confuse man because you believe and lean on people like Dr. Hagins and I am a step in front of them and you don’t want to admit it. How long are you going to hold back David? Help me raise our people!
PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD..!
AND DR,RAY HAGiNS WILL PAY ALL YOUR LIVING EXPENSES FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE UNTIL HE DIES........ RIGHT NOW HE IS 54 YRS OLD AND DOES NOT PLAN TO DIE ANYTIME SOON ,,,,, SEE THE VIDEO YOU CAN GOT TO 15;26 on the video and start there or right from the start !!
NOTE this is going to shock a lot of you ,,we are not trying to hurt or insult you we are trying to stop the LIES ,,,,, RESURRECTION SUNDAY IS FAKE !! http://youtu.be/5w19Ppifw7s
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OBSERVE your research ---- all in a few paragraphs
"Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?
Here's a question for you: what do actor Charlton Heston, DreamWorks animation studios and Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin all have in common? Well, they've all, at one time or another, perpetuated the myth that the Jews built the pyramids.
In fact, there's absolutely no more evidence to suggest that the story is true than there is in support of any of the Arab world's conspiracy theories and tall tales about Jews."
how, where and why -----does all this come together in yourMind only that seems to battle 68 IQHarry for Divinity? Sunday, December 22nd 2013 at 7:03PM powell robert | delete
the djohnson Writer:
For the record, Robert Powell . posts are nothing but incoherent rants of pseudo-intellectual phrases that have absolutely no bearing. Sunday, December 22nd 2013 at 7:16PM David Johnson
then in the same thread of WHATEVER the SUBJECT is?
djohnson Writes: "IF THAT AINT THE DUMBEST SH-T ANYONE EVER HEARD....HARRY is from GOD like the f--king man on the moon !....my great great grand father was ... Zulu...but me... I am..NO UNCLE TOM ,SELL OUT n*gga ,STEPHEN FLETCHER ,WANNA BE FAKE PROPHET;.........................
PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD..!
Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 9:55AM David Johnson
I, robertPowell, apologize to the EDUCATED BIA African American Family, i do not know what "incoherent rants of pseudo-intellectual phrases" IS......
but i do READ above the writing of one selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant 'black' and another Zulu'black', that are both; to my opinion; --- abnormal theirMind only CRAZY Americans
You said this, “PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD..!”
It is out of our spiritual realm to prove or disprove anything about the Jewish Jesus since we are Black Americans and not Jewish people.
The European Gentiles teaches that Jesus rose from the dead and since we Black Americans whether Jesus rose from the dead or not have nothing to do with us. We are racially different people and their beliefs have nothing to do with us and our beliefs have not to do with them.
Dr. Ray Hagins admits that he doesn’t know it all, but I do know it all about us spiritually speaking. Understand where I am coming from?
Harry your a real dummy ,,,,,you base your premies on the fact that the Jewish people believe that Jesus was raised from the dead thats all you talk about ,,,you harry actually believe the pagan lie so your no differant then the jewish people who beleive the lie as well
THE RESURRECTION NEVER HAPPEN IT WAS A STORY MADE UP BY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
Dr. Ray Hagins HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB '''PROVING''' IT NEVER HAPPEN SO FAR NO ONE HAS CAME TO THE TABLE TO PROVE HIM TO BE A LIE ,,,,
HE HAS PIECE BY PIECE HE HAS SHOW HOW IT NEVER TOOK PLACE ,,,,,,,,
harry your comment shows how your not worthy to be a prophet !
Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 8:27PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The myth of Osiris was very important in ancient Egyptian religion and was popular among ordinary people.[1] One reason for this popularity is the myth's primary religious meaning, which implies that any dead person can reach a pleasant afterlife.[2] Another reason is that the characters and their emotions are more reminiscent of the lives of real people than those in most Egyptian myths, making the story more appealing to the general populace.[3] In particular, the myth conveys a "strong sense of family loyalty and devotion", as the Egyptologist J. Gwyn Griffiths put it, in the relationships between Osiris, Isis, and Horus.[4] With this widespread appeal, the myth appears in more ancient texts than any other myth and in an exceptionally broad range of Egyptian literary styles.[1] These sources also provide an unusual amount of detail.[2] Ancient Egyptian myths are fragmentary and vague, because the religious metaphors contained within the myths were more important than coherent narration. The Osiris myth is fragmentary to some extent, and it too is rich in symbolism. But in comparison with other myths, it bears a greater resemblance to a cohesive story.[5]
The Pyramid Texts in the Pyramid of Teti The earliest mentions of the Osiris myth are in the Pyramid Texts, the first Egyptian funerary texts, which appeared on the walls of burial chambers in pyramids at the end of the Fifth Dynasty, during the 24th century BC. These texts, made up of disparate spells or "utterances", contain ideas that are presumed to date from still earlier times.[6] The texts are concerned with the afterlife of the king buried in the pyramid, so they frequently refer to the Osiris myth, which is deeply involved with kingship and the afterlife.[7] Major elements of the story, such as the death and restoration of Osiris and the strife between Horus and Set, appear in the utterances of the Pyramid Texts.[8]
Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 8:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS NEVER HAPPEN IT WAS A STORY MADE UP BY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
here is the story the bible copied
The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris' murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris' wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of Isis and Osiris' union, who is first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus' triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris' resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder and, especially, death and the afterlife. It also expresses the essential character of each of the four deities at its center, and many elements of their worship in ancient Egyptian religion were derived from the myth. The Osiris myth reached its basic form in or before the 24th century BC. Many of its elements originated in religious ideas, but the conflict between Horus and Set may have been partly inspired by a regional struggle in Egypt's early history or prehistory. Scholars have tried to discern the exact nature of the events that gave rise to the story, but they have reached no definitive conclusions. Parts of the myth appear in a wide variety of Egyptian texts, from funerary texts and magical spells to short stories. The story is, therefore, more detailed and more cohesive than any other ancient Egyptian myth. Yet no Egyptian source gives a full account of the myth, and the sources vary widely in their versions of events. Greek and Roman writings, particularly De Iside et Osiride by Plutarch, provide more information but may not always accurately reflect Egyptian beliefs. Through these writings, the Osiris myth persisted after knowledge of most ancient Egyptian beliefs was lost, and it is still well known today.
The myth of Osiris was very important in ancient Egyptian religion and was popular among ordinary people.[1] One reason for this popularity is the myth's primary religious meaning, which implies that any dead person can reach a pleasant afterlife.[2] Another reason is that the characters and their emotions are more reminiscent of the lives of real people than those in most Egyptian myths, making the story more appealing to the general populace.[3] In particular, the myth conveys a "strong sense of family loyalty and devotion", as the Egyptologist J. Gwyn Griffiths put it, in the relationships between Osiris, Isis, and Horus.[4] With this widespread appeal, the myth appears in more ancient texts than any other myth and in an exceptionally broad range of Egyptian literary styles.[1] These sources also provide an unusual amount of detail.[2] Ancient Egyptian myths are fragmentary and vague, because the religious metaphors contained within the myths were more important than coherent narration. The Osiris myth is fragmentary to some extent, and it too is rich in symbolism. But in comparison with other myths, it bears a greater resemblance to a cohesive story.[5]
The Pyramid Texts in the Pyramid of Teti The earliest mentions of the Osiris myth are in the Pyramid Texts, the first Egyptian funerary texts, which appeared on the walls of burial chambers in pyramids at the end of the Fifth Dynasty, during the 24th century BC. These texts, made up of disparate spells or "utterances", contain ideas that are presumed to date from still earlier times.[6] The texts are concerned with the afterlife of the king buried in the pyramid, so they frequently refer to the Osiris myth, which is deeply involved with kingship and the afterlife.[7] Major elements of the story, such as the death and restoration of Osiris and the strife between Horus and Set, appear in the utterances of the Pyramid Texts.[8]
Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 8:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
SUBJECT---blogger----Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?
So your Teacher/Educator Hagins 'proved whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
"THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS" story of latinJesus "RESURRECTION NEVER HAPPEN"
djohnson writes: __________________________________________________________________ "THE RESURRECTION NEVER HAPPEN IT WAS A STORY MADE UP BY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS.....Dr. Ray Hagins HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB '''PROVING''' IT NEVER HAPPEN SO FAR NO ONE HAS CAME TO THE TABLE TO PROVE HIM TO BE A LIE." Monday, December 23rd 2013 at 8:27PM David Johnson __________________________________________________________________
Forget about the ressurection, in Pharoahnic Pagan Times, of a latinJesus
---------the crucifiction of 'Isa ibn Maryam, the Messenger of Allâah ---------NEVER happened and was recorded----- 1470+ years before Hagins was born ______________________________________________________________
Sûrat An-Nisâa’ (The Women) IV In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Mankind! Be dutiful to Raabbeenah, Who created you from a single person - Adaam, and from Adaam - He created his wife Hawwâ, and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allâah through Whom you demand your mutual rights, and do not cut the relations of the wombs or kinship. Surely, Allâah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.
153. The people of the Scripture, Jews ask you to cause a book to descend to them from heaven. Indeed they asked Mûsa for even greater than that, when they said: "Show us Allâah in public," but they were struck with thunder and lightning for their wickedness. Then they worshipped the calf, after clear proofs, evidences, and signs had come to them. Even then We forgave them for We gave Mûsa a clear authority.
154. And for their covenant, We raised over them the Mount and We said: "Enter the gate prostrating or submitting with humility;" and We commanded them: "Transgress not by doing impure, non submitting things on the Sabbath." And We took from them a firm covenant
155. Because of their breaking the covenant, and of their rejecting the Ayât (proofs, directions, verses, lessons, signs, revelations) of Allâah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: "Our hearts are unable to understand what the Messengers say": Allâah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.
156. And because of Jewish unbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge of committed illegal s*xual intercourse
157. And because they had boasted, "We killed 'Isa ibn Maryam, the Messenger of Allâah," - but they did not kill 'Isa ibn Maryam, nor crucified him, but the likeness of 'Isa ibn Maryam was put over another man, and those who differ are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture.
For surely; they did not kill 'Isa ibn Maryam: ______________________________________
you REALLY cartooning NOW, djohnson...so learn something sometime.............
We are back to square one. You are back to cutting and paste. We Black Americans don’t want to know about Osiris or the arisen Jewish Jesus since we are neither Egyptians nor are we European Gentiles.
It there anything you know about your own Black American people like who is our prophet? What is our religion?
Dr. Hagins still thinks he is African and you know that he isn’t am I right.
@ROBERT, I WILL SOON POST A BLOG ABOUT HOW THAT HATED BY YOU JEW BOY PERSIAN EMPIRE IS IN BOTH THEJEWISH ANDCHRISTIAN BIBLES ON HOW TWO DIFERENT KINGS OF THIS EMPIRE TRIED TO SAVE THE JEWS FROM THEMSELVES...YOU KNOW LIKE TAKING THEMOUT OF SLAVERY BUT THEY ONLY TOOK THIS AS A REASON FOR THEM TO DECLARE WARS ON THEIR OWN..
.KIND OF LIKE THEBAY, BAY FAMILY TRYING TO PROTECT YOU, HARRY AND AJKIE AND JEN FROM DISTROYING EACH OTHER.LOL!!!(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, BECAUSE OUR PRESIDENT ISNOT BUSH, I REALLY DON'T WORRY ABOUT THESE 'RELIGIOUS' WARS IN AMERICA TRYING TO GET OUR PRESIDNET TO ATTACK ANY PLACE ON THE PLANET IN 'THE NAME OF GOD+++++++THE WARS NEVER COST ANYMONEY/ NOR KILL BABYS IN THEIR MOTHER'S BODYS MENTALITY!!!(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AMERICA IS A NATION THAT WORSHIP AT THE ALTER OF GREED...SO BLOG KING WHAT THEY BOTH HAVE INCOMMON IS MAKING B-I-G BUCKS OFF THIS MOVE FOR THE LAST LETS SEE...50+ YEARS. LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
