ISLAM Question open for debate ;;;;;;;just asking ??? (70582 hits)
WE all know that Malcolm denounced the NOI some say it lead to his death why do you think he should not be called a sell out as well as Imam WD Mohammed ?????
WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR MORE COMMENTS ,,,LOOK AT THIS VIDEO ,,,OFF TOPIC !
Friday, April 26th 2013 at 5:21PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thomas Hagan, then known by the name Talmadge X Hayer, was in his early 20s and a radical member of the Nation of Islam the day he entered the ballroom armed and ready to kill. His allegiance was to the Nation's founder, and he was outraged Malcolm X had broken from its ranks. After the shooting, Hagan tried to flee the scene but he was shot in the leg. He was beaten by the crowd before being arrested outside.
Thomas Hagan is pictured here in a mugshot from 2008. Last month, he told the parole board he felt the urge to kill Malcolm X because of his inflammatory comments about the Nation's founder. "It stemmed from a break off and confusion in the leadership," Hagan said. "Malcolm X broke with the Nation of Islam, separated from the Nation of Islam, and in doing so there was controversy as to some of the statements he was making about the leader." He added, "History has revealed a lot of what Malcolm X was saying was true." Two other men, Muhammad Abdul Aziz and Kahlil Islam, were also found guilty of murder in 1966 and received 20 years to life. Both proclaimed their innocence. Hagan, who eventually admitted his part in the murder, testified at trial and subsequent parole hearings that both men were innocent. Aziz was paroled in 1985; Islam was freed in 1987. At last month's parole hearing, Hagan again maintained that Aziz and Islam were not the other assassins. He said it was two other men who helped plot, plan and participate in the killing. Did they receive orders from the Nation to carry out the killing? "I can't say that anyone in the Nation of Islam gave us the idea or instructed us to do it. We did this ourselves for the most part, yes," Hagan told the parole board. Hagan said he received a master's degree in sociology while incarcerated and that helped him deal with his actions from 45 years ago. "I understand a lot better the dynamics of movements and what can happen inside movements and conflicts that can come up, but I have deep regrets about my participation in that." He added, "Unfortunately, I didn't have an in-depth understanding of what was really going on myself to let myself be involved in anything like that. ... I can't really describe my remiss and my remorse for my actions -- basically a very young man, a very uneducated man. " He is still a Muslim but no longer a member of the Nation of Islam. He volunteers at a mosque to help young men. He told the parole board he hopes to become a qualified substance abuse counselor. His primary mission is to help his four children, ages 21, 17, 14 and 10. He has two other grown children. "My focus is to maintain my family and to try to make things a little better for them. It's upward mobility, and to encourage my children to complete their education because it's a must."
Friday, April 26th 2013 at 5:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
WE all know that Malcolm denounced the NOI ?????? -----all?----maybe 587 that do not think
sell out as well as Imam WD Mohammed ???????? -----none, that think
there was a Muslim named AlHaj AbdulMalik AsShabazz ------ AlHaj AbdulMalik AsShabazz: After breaking with the Nation of Islam in 1964
—saying of his association with it,
"I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then ... "
—after becoming a Muslim, he disavowed racism!
in 1975 The Leadership and General Population under the 'zombISM' of the noi ALSO became Muslim and were taught by the Son of elijah Muhammad --- AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)
"sell out" ---- to WHAT?----what was there to denounce? ('zombISM')
at BIA, an African AMerican Family wwwebsite to SHATTER, misconceptions
----i pray this post enlightens....and helps-----just writing????????????
Look forth and forget about the past! The two men have passed. They will be mentioned in our religious book when we begin to write it otherwise let us look forth since we have a genuine prophet to lead us forth.
Our dialogues for the most part should always be about the future and not the past so much.
i, robertPowell, sellOut to paganChristian euroCentric belief............
i do not appreciate LIARS---i do not appreciate nonREADERS
again ---i, Wrote, AND agree with the same thing AlHaj AbdulMaleek AsShabazz WROTE about the noi1960 ---in noi2013(wow my Muslim Brother would probably write kindergartenZombISM............)
THERE IS a movement to keep black people down and some of our own people are at the for front promoting and wishing for the down fall of our black race I we dont take a stand against the negativity and stand as a road block for our people then who will !
we need to stand on the call to up lift our people and stop trying to bring them down if yall are in agreement then lets erase the color lines and do the math !
Malcolm X saw and experienced many positive things. Generosity and open heartedness were qualities which were impressed on him by the welcome which he received in many places. He saw brotherhood and the brotherhood of different races and this led him to disclaim racism and to say: "I am not a racist... In the past I permitted myself to be used... to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race, and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."
Saturday, April 27th 2013 at 1:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
if you call yourself a muslin/religious and want peace but your at war with you brother/sister then your a hypocrite ooch !!!!
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Saturday, April 27th 2013 at 1:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I will say this and get off this blog...I believe Brother Malcolm was one of the greatest orators and Black nationalists of our time. I don't believe Malcolm should be called a sell out. Malcolm's assassination was greater and bigger than Islam. Malcolm's murder had everything to do with the government's concerted effort to avoid "a black Messiah".
When Elijah Muhammad suspended Malcolm from the NOI for 90 days following Malcolm’s public statements about the Kennedy assassination in November 1963 after Elijah gave Malcolm clear instructions not to say anything (positive or negative) regarding the assassination, Malcolm abided by that suspension.
Nonetheless, the suspension was extended and became permanent. Malcolm wanted to return to the NOI initially because his permanent suspension was unexpected (it caught Malcolm by surprise). Malcolm did write Elijah Muhammad a letter for reinstatement on the matter and shared with Elijah Muhammad his passion to rejoin, he didn't care what position Elijah offered him. However, for unknown reasons, those letters Malcolm wrote never reached Elijah Muhammad's hands. After several letters and no responses, Malcolm analyzed the situation and started out on his own course. Once he did this he did not turn back.
Meanwhile, J. Edgar Hoover was running a program called COINTELPRO (Counterintelligence Program), which was a secret, often illegal FBI campaign of surveillance and sabotage against a wide variety of right-and left-wing groups, including the Ku Klux Klan, the Black Panthers and the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Among the key targets of COINTELPRO was the Civil Rights Movement, which largely emerged in 1955 with Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott. The Boycott was organized by Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., who was thrown into the national spotlight as a result.
COINTRELPRO feared an independent Malcolm, much more than a Malcolm that was controlled by Elijah Muhammad and the NOI. After Malcolm left the NOI, Malcolm forged friendships all over Africa and the Middle East, and they loved Malcolm. The moment Malcolm became an international figure, the government felt that Malcolm was getting extremely powerful and knew wayyyyyyy too much, so they began to plan his demise.
In Malcolm's autobiography with Alex Haley, Malcolm stated that he knew his assassination was inevitable and knew it was above and beyond Elijah Muhammad and the NOI. When Malcolm was poisoned in Cairo, Egypt he said, "My assassination is bigger than Islam."
Malcolm's assassination WAS INDEED bigger than Islam, even Kwame Ture (aka Stokely Carmicheal) spoke about how Malcolm's murder was the result of Cointelpro's concerted effort to avoid "a black Messiah".
COINTELPRO involved not only wiretapping, but as the investigation showed, attempts to disrupt, discredit, and defame perceived political radicals. Hoover targeted few figures as relentlessly as Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. The charge, Communist influence in the civil rights movement. This was the REAL REASON KING AND MALCOLM WERE ASSASSINATED!!!
Saturday, April 27th 2013 at 5:01PM
Siebra Muhammad
I don't have any opinion on this question. Malcolm was my Muslim brother and one of my personal heroes. Malcolm was the one who put the NOI on the map in the late 50's, and early to middle 60's. They (Imam Mohammed and Malcolm) are only considered sellouts by those who lack knowledge.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 1:09PM
A.B. Madyun
Some quack seems to be 1,400 years too late on here, and his name rhymes with Larry!!!! LOL
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 1:16PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson...
"A.B. ME, "I" BELIEVE MALCOM X BEING KILLED BY THE MEDIA FRENZY ON NOI ATTACKS EACH OTHER IS WHAT DREW THE ATTENTION"
In part you are right, Irma. The Hon Elijah Muhammad warned Malcolm about the media...told him that they could put him in a very dangerous position (not his exact words), but in essence, that's what he was telling him. THEM knew that there were fanatics that were in the community that would kill him. Spike Lee's movie partly indicated how the media stirred up a lot of jealousy among a lot of ministers who were jealous of Malcolm's position because they knew that Malcolm's position was powerful. This was too much for them to bear, so they made their intentions to do something about it, and carried it out with the help of FBI infiltrators who came into the ranks and stirred up their courage to carry out their plot.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 1:58PM
A.B. Madyun
awww... Imma say this and do just like Siebra (keep it moving) My late Great Aunt was a devout followe of Brother Malcolm... always believed that "The Hon Elijah Muhammad" was the instigator behind his assassination.....
let me get my shield!! protect myself from the stray cyber-bullets....
Cynthia Merrill Artis...I'm a firm believer that everyone has a right to their opinion. However I'm a firm believer i facts that are documented by reliable sources over opinions. Opinions are like you know what. Everybody's got one. I don't mean this in a negative way (no stray cyber bullets here. But again, I'm not here to argue. If folks are in a comfort zone of conceptions, then that's between them, and G_d. I don't want any part of it. I ain't mad at nobody about what they think. The question is what do they know for certain?
@Madyun.... I am not saying this to be controversial... "I" a firm believer in the "actual.. figures in History... who lived during this pivitoal time in history... Being that I was a mere babe when or beloved Brother was murdered... I can only go by the oral history which was given to me...
And I don't mean this in a negative way.... But again i would never argue regarding Islam... However, I will agree to disagree on the records of Black History...
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 3:29PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
1 Kings 18:25-29 ESV
Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many, and call upon the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” And they took the bull that was given them, and they prepared it and called upon the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped around the altar that they had made. And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.” And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their custom with swords and lances, until the blood gushed out upon them. And as midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice. No one answered; no one paid attention.
Here Elijah represents The Hon Elijah Muhammad. Baal was a false god that was worshipped by pagans. The distaste in the way in which religion is presented to us today characterizes these false practices in many ways to the point that most people in our society are turned off to religion. One good example is the false presentation that is given of a caucasian Jesus as the son of G_d). If Jesus looks like G_d, then we black folks don't stand a chance...do we?
Jesus represents a false image of what G_d is supposed to look like. This is the very reason why we are not to see G_d in any image. Some false worshippers have even bothered to attempt to go around the racial image by presenting G_d in the image of animals, trees, rocks, etc.
Baal did not answer them because Baal was a made up deity who did not exist, period, just as a white G_d does not exist, period. The cutting and bleeding further suggests the image of Jesus on the cross, bleeding, and suffering just as we did from the time that we were brought over here in chains, beaten, maimed, mauled, hung, shot, and done other horrific things to by our captors. Black people in America represent the body of Christ very easily, wouldn't you say? Whether folks accept scripture or not, there are keys to the meaning of these writs.
A lot of Christian people declare that they go by the bible. They should stop going by it, and pick it up and read it, and try to relate. In the front of the book there is an inscription that reads; "Blessed is he who reads the book, and understands it." Though the bible was, and is not the holy book of the Muslims, we are, nonetheless, aware that there is truth in the bible if you know where to look for it.
The prophets of Baal represents the Christian preachers (not all of them, but certainly the majority of them) that have helped our oppressors to keep us down with the magic of a religious vehicle. The Hon Elijah Muhammad told us that they used Jesus good name to shield their dirty religion. And then, after forbidding us to approach it, passed it down to us in order to neutralize a us. They were successful.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 3:46PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...I know that you don't mean it in a negative way, and I will repeat it again...I ain't mad at nobody on this forum for expressing their opinions. I don't have any control over what you think about anything. I just pray that G_d continues to allow me to have some control over what I think, and what I know, recognizing that He is in complete control of everything.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 3:49PM
A.B. Madyun
There is an important writing that predates and was drawn from in Matthew and Luke, the Gospel of Q. This is a collection of the sayings of Jesus only, no references to death, resurrection or Jesus as dying to redeem sinners.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 3:58PM
Steve Williams
Who actually believes GOD is a color? A Race? A Nationality? belonging to an Ethnic group?
In the beginning LET us Create Man in Our Image???
Quite naturally this is not saying that "this us" is assigned a race?
That's one thing that perplexes me with religion... He's Black... No He's White.... only because "one's religion... claims so over another....
As my father say's GOD surpasses "all" understanding.... and if "one" follows the words of Man.... "he" will trip you up all the time....
However... Jesus... "that ole son of a carpenter" was good enuff for my ancestors... and "SHE" IS alright with me.... ooops now I said it... Yes .... SHE....
I am more inclined to believe historical accounts of, not necessarily the people who lived during that era, but rather from people who walked, talked, slept, and ate with the man...people who meant something to him in his life when he was alive. I'd like to suggest a reading to you. There is a book out that was written by Malcolm's sister, Ella Little Collins, which was later completed by her son, Rodnell P. Collins, upon her untimely death. It is entitled "Seventh Child." Not only was Ella very close to her brother (Ella financed Malcolm's trip to Mecca to make Hajj), but she also emphasized to her son that Wallace was also very close to him, and recalled of back in the 50's when Wallace had told Malcolm then that he believed that "...the only possible salvation for the NOI would be of it's accepting, and projecting a better understanding of Orthodox Islam..."
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 4:16PM
A.B. Madyun
Okay, Wallace was suspended too wasn't he?
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 4:23PM
Steve Williams
David...
Your sister has done it again!!
me and my sassy (mouth/fingers) I'm sorry..... Imma have to tell mommie it's your da-gone fault again...
@Irma.... where's that old Rabbi of mine.... humph... back in the day... I would have stayed in confession!!! And today living in fear of Hades!!!
Thank GOD for forgiveness! Cause if I followed man's NOVICE!!! sheesh!!
In 1961, W.D. Muhammad refused military draft and was sentenced to three years in jail. While there, he began reading mainstream Islamic doctrine, and noticed contradictions with NOI theology. The resulting ideological rift with his father caused him to leave NOI in 1963. After the assassination of Malcolm X in 1965, he returned to the NOI ranks, but was suspended by NOI for his "dissident views" in 1969 and again in 1971.
Cynthia Merrill Artis...For what it's worth, I'd like to share this with you.
Remove all Racial Effects from Worship. Jesus is not the creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in between. Best guess. It’s Leonardo’s 3rd cousin from his mother’s side of the family twice removed.
Racism in religion has crippled the minds of many people. They are crippled with superiority complexes and with inferiority complex. If we truly want to destroy racism completely, then "Remove all Racial Images from Worship".
Out of Respect for Man’s Creator
A Message of Concern by Imam W. Deen Mohammed What would happen if people would sit in churches throughout the
world for centuries with the image of an African American man as
savior of the world before them?
What would this do to the mind of the world’s children?
What would happen to the world’s children put under a fugure of
a particular race presented, pitable, and in pain "the Saviour
of all men"?
Qur’an, Chapter 3, verse 64:
"Say, Oh people of the Book! Come to common terms as between
us and you:Â that we worship none but G-d, that we associate
no partner with Him, that we erect not from among ourselves
lords and patrons other than G-d. If then they turn back,
say ye "bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to
G-d’s Will).’"
Civilized nations should want that their religions be also civilized. False worship is the worst form of oppression. We are no gods. We are only men, "mortals from the mortals, He (Allah) created" (Qur’an)
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 5:04PM
A.B. Madyun
1980-October-10
Bilalian News
Liberation For All People
Imam Warith Deen Muhammad
With the Name Allah, the Gracious, the Compassionate.
(Editor's note: Following are excerpts from Imam Warith Deen Muhammad's address to the Midwest C.R.A.I.D. meeting at Chicago, March 15, 1980 — Continued from the last two weeks.)
I could go on "to tell you more about Bilal. Bilal is a sign of the many good things of the human heart. Bilal is a sign of what “black" really meant originally in a cultural context.
Black never meant skin-black in religion. In the cultural context it always meant the beginning of civilization. The beginning of man, his spirit, his consciousness; His nature is first in the dark of his spirituality symbolized in the human heart. But he obeys right guidance even in the dark.
The beginning of his righteousness, the beginning of his intellect is in the darkness of his soul. But eventually that mind comes to light in knowledge. As the knowledge that he first saw in the dark unfolds, from the "black" man comes the "white" man! That's what it meant originally. But white supremacy came on the scene and misused it. They turned it around to make it apply to skin and divided man against man and created this evil thing that we must still fight.
Out of the oppressed, the world was generated. Out of the oppressed, the world is regenerated. Can't you see that we have a big mission? We have the greatest mission that time has given anybody — if you all understand it. The Jewish mission is not equal to ours. Their mission was for Jewish nationalism and token charity to the world. This is not a blanket condemnation of Jews; study it in the Bible.
Our mission is universal; our mission goes against all the evils of the world. It confronts the greatest evils: racism — racism in religion; that's where it starts. Nature didn't give that to us. Somebody lied in the name of God —that gave it to us! Nature doesn't make people racists.
Many of you don't know because you come along at a later time. Many churches used to openly preach that we are the cursed children of Ham — Canaanites, the Hamites, through the curse that fell on Cain and the Canaanites. Yes, that's what they would tell us — that your blackness is a curse on you.
This is another thing that you Imams are afraid to deal with. There are a lot of preachers who still have this burden on their mind. Don't be afraid to deal with it; deal with it! There are a lot of Bilalians right now who believe that we are the children of Ham. Actually we are no more the children of Ham than any other people.
Ham is no physical father — Ham represents desire. Ham — heat, desire, strong appetite, highly emotional people; that's what Hamite means. Pigs are greedy, quarrelsome, and sensuous—their solid meat is only ham. People like that are inclined to give themselves emotionally to things and become the victim of the things that they give themselves to. They can give themselves emotionally to race pride or emotionally to other things — and people can bring in racism. Oh yes — sneak it in on them, because they are so caught up in "ham." It is good to be desirous, but not blindly or foolishly so.
The Babylonian people were a great people. They were dark-skinned, but many of them were fair-skinned. Those people had a great leader you know called Hamurabi (love of my Lord). In fact, his laws of civilization were stolen. They claim them for Moses. When you read, interpret or translate the name "Hamurabi" — it means "my Raab is spirit," "my Lord is spirit." Or, "the love or spirit of my Lord."
Ham can have a good meaning and a bad meaning. Ham can be desire in a bad way, but the same desire in a bad way can be a desire given to God, and it becomes a saving source, a saving power for you. The same emotionalism that you give to other things, if you give that emotionalism to God — giving it to Him is spiritual obedience — then that becomes a spirit of praise for God.
We are (Hammi). We are filled with desire; we are an emotional people. We are a highly spirited people; but aren't many other people also like that? They don't have to be our color to be like that. I've passed by some Caucasian churches, and they were carrying on more spiritedly than we. You think we get emotional — some of them do too.
It has nothing to do with color. It has to do with experience. It has to do with the road you walk. If you walk a hard road, if you walk a hard path, it's going to give you the blues. When culturally oppressed, spirit may be the only outlet. It's going to make your soul cry out. So you become spirited or overly emotional. Praise be to Allah, our humanity has survived these fires of hell.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 5:09PM
A.B. Madyun
Madyun... Im always receptive to Enlightenment...
And please... understand that first as a Woman and Mother, I must always maintain my strength... as passed on to my by my grandfather....
Needless to say... As a Christian... I have been instructed and taught the relevance of Jesus Christ and the standards of truth, love, humility, kindness ....
in which I live and which has shaped my life....
I have read numerous of books regarding my teachings of Christ and the Allegories of the Bible... and I have also read of the teachings and allegories associated with your religion.
Now for me to say.... your Prophet is Right and My Prophet is wrong... would be "foolish" of me... and against all that I am today...
Not one time have I stated anything regarding your Prophet... BECAUSE I cannot say such negative things...
However... I sit back and read the stories regarding my prophet...
WE are only Human of Flesh... We all stand UpRight Feet on the Ground....
and when we die.... like all of our prophets... ashes to ashes...
in the book of Revelation... John saw in his vision.... A Revelation...
I am of the belief that it is to come....
However... again... I am not ruled by Man's Discern for Religion!!
As a christian I am of the belief that I honor GOD whom is first and head of my life. Without him there would be no Heaven No Earth....
So with this... the only thing growing up that I can honestly say the Image that I started at for years and years and years .... was that image of the "T" .... and the pictures that which adorned my walls within my home was that of Dr. King, Brother Malcolm and later Nelson Mandela...
Although I understand, and am not the least offended by your words of wisdom... They simply are not "all" agreed by me.... although you have presented your arguements persuassively....
I can remove all of the images... of greatness or high esteem for "Jesus Christ" and say that he wasn't with God... I can even agree that many of the stories in the Bible are Allegories...
But then I would have to question your book..fore it brands stories from the Christian Bible as well....
I can almost quantify... the GOD I serve is very close to the GOD you serve... And also, be slow to pass judgement... (in the sweetest way I know how to say). BECAUSE anyone will tell you on this forum... I am slow to respond too deeply into what I believe versus what other's believe....
Plus it keeps me safe from the rapture... don't want it written in the book of Life on my page... that I discredited any of the Prophets....
I don't believe that "my blackness" is a curse.... Never did....
My grandfather of dark; mocha complexion... told me that I came from greatness and that the richness of our skin is beautiful....
To be honest... I hated my complexion.... because I did not share the color of my maternal family's beautiful shades of brown... Today, I accept it for what it is... a beautiful blended mixture of both my native and african ancestory...
and to be honest.... I don't think my Grandfather's spirit is too at ease with my coloring of my hair.... I can hear him now... fussing at me for doing such extreme things to my image...
And don't forget the shoes Cynthia.
Monday, April 29th 2013 at 6:04PM
Steve Williams
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Irma.... seems like as I age... im losing my browness... but hey I figure in the end... we will all be the color of "dust"
@Steve... let's never forget my shoes...
Today I was struttin around with my 5" Jimmy Choo's (I love shoes ya'll) and with my new colored blonde hair... Yep I think I found the right shade.... after three applications of light golden blonde... I have achieved my color choice... (that's why I know my grandfather isn't happy... (a woman's hair is her glory he has said often to me... so let's hope I can hold on to it... cause it's (hair) damaged).... but I too have a nice grade of hair... I haven't relaxed it in 10 weeks so far... just wash condition and low heat....
Cynthia Merrill Artis...I'm supposing that I have to remind you that I did mention it earlier that the revelation of the Quran was the revelation that was given to the prophet (not my exclusive prophet) to confirm all revelation that came before it. The bible was revealed before the Quran, as was the Torah of the Jews from whence the bible came. That is the reason why you are seeing similarities. It is good that you recognize it as wisdom (not my wisdom, but G_d's) even though you don't agree with it. You keep saying that you don't agree as though you don't believe that I have accepted that you don't. That's OK too. I'm not trying to convince you of anything against your will. I do recognize and respect that what you say you believe that you have written down here, if I don't accept it, even so, I'm not going to knock it. Just because it is not what I am looking for, someone else might be. Similalrly it works the same way with what I have to offer. It may not be for you, but i'm supposing that it's ok with you if I offer it here anyway, right because just because you don't agree with it does not mean that someone else might not be looking for it. You said it earlier...we are agreeing to disagree, and that's healthy. Differences should be settled in peace because G_d made us all different. The Quran tells us that:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). ( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #13)
So we are all connected by Allah (G_d) whether we accept to be or not. There is only one G_d, not three. He has no partners, nor does He have any sons. I was raised on the same premise, but I recognized at a very early age that this kind of language did not suit me. It doesn't challenge the intellect. Rather it insults it. That's me...no insult intended.
BTW...the reason why I brought up the term "not my exclusive prophet" is because the Quran, unlike the bible, recognizes to no exclusion, all the prophets of Allah (G_d). None of them are omitted.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 12:07AM
A.B. Madyun
scholars have found out that the biblical documents were mostly Ancient Egyptian documents and stories. Yet Christians have believed for over two thousand years that God-inspired Jewish prophets wrote the biblical documents when they were actually written by Ancient Egyptian priests and edited and rewritten by Jewish Scholars"
Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D. "The Africans Who Wrote the Bible' (Introduction pg. xx)
The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.
It is hard to believe that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it. It is remarkable that Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time. No rapid departure from traditional pottery has been seen, no record or story of a surge in population.
In fact, there's absolutely no more evidence to suggest that the story is true than there is in support of any of the Arab world's conspiracy theories and tall tales about Jews.
So, as we come to Passover 2012 when, thanks to the “Arab Spring,” our relations with Egypt are at a nearly 40 year low, let us enjoy our Seder and read the story by all means, but also remind those at the table who may forget that it is just a metaphor, and that there is no ancient animosity between Israelites and Egyptians. Because, if we want to re-establish that elusive peace with Egypt that so many worked so hard to build, we're all going to have to let go of our prejudices."
Josh Mintz is completing his degree in International Relations and Middle Eastern studies and is the communications director at Friend a Soldier, an NGO that encourages dialogue with IDF soldiers.
"AND, A.B. HERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF CAUSE ADNEFFECT...
CAUSE :YOU WANT ME TO READ A BOOK... EFFECT: "I' PROMISE I WILL GET THE BOOK AND READ IT FROM COVER ON ONE CONDITION, YOU GET A BOOK IN YOUR COLLEGE PHILOSOPHY DEPT. IN ONE OF ITS CRITICAL THINKING CLASS' AND READ IT FROM COVER TO COVER...IT CAN BE OF ANY AUTHOR AS THEY MAY CHANGE BOOKS EACH SEMESTER. (S-M-I-L-E)"
I am sure that you are being facetious here. I am not here in competition for anything, and to compete with anybody. I am only here to share knowledge. Between you and I, all the knwlwedge that we have acquired came mostly from books. I recommended the book that I did to clarify, not my personal position, but the most logical position, and that is when it comes directly from the horses mouth. I hope I didn't offend you by recommending a reading. If I did, I offer my most humble apologies. I had no malicious intent, and I ask G_d to forgive me if I caused you any harm with my recommendation.
Irma Robinson ...Oops!!! I just discovered that the book recommendation was not meant for you at all. Rather it was meant for Cynthia coming off her comment about her great grand aunt who was a follower of Malcolm. Sorry 'bout 'dat!!! Smile
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 12:32AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"...although you have presented your arguements persuassively...."
I once again need to made it clear that I have absolutely no argument with anyone on this forum. I'm just sharing knowledge to any who would benefit from it. I'll leave the arguments to the argumentive.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 1:05AM
A.B. Madyun
About this topic of "selling out..." I saw a program on HBO that was a documentary on the life of blues singer, Bill Withers. Cornell West and Tavis Smiley had joined him at his home, and they were sitting out on the patio having a discussion, and they began discussing Bill's career. Bill had mentioned that he always tried to drown out his black critics who may have felt that his music was too "folksy" and not black enough. And then Tavis Smiley made a statement that Bill jumped on rather quickly. Smiley told him, "yeah...you don't want our folks thinking that your music makes you a sell-out. Bill told him and West that; "you know...we're all business men. And if I were a business man, and let's say that I owned a furniture store...the best sign that could possibly be outside my store would read "sold out." I agree with Bill. How about you?
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 1:15AM
A.B. Madyun
What is outstanding about ignorant people is that they confuse one thing to be another thing. In other words, you complicate everything because you see everything complicated. That indicates you are an ignorant man with all due respect Mr. Madyun.
For instance, the blog asks if Malcolm was a sell-out. You Mr. Madyun made a reference to a conversation with Tavis Smiley when the singer Mr. Bill said that the best sign a furniture store owner could hang in his window is sold-out.
Well, the concept of this blog asking the question was Malcolm a sell-out refers to being a traitor. The concept of being sold-out of a product (futures) is two entirely different concepts am I right. Being sold out of furniture is the concept of supply and demand and that is commercial. And, the concept of Malcolm being a sell-out refers to being a traitor.
You are not as smart as you perceive your self to be. You are not spreading knowledge because you lack analytical reasoning and thus you are spreading confusion.
I am the only one capable of spreading genuine knowledge to Black Americans because I am Black America’s first genuine prophet.
The ritual Passover that Moss established when leaving or Exodusing Egypt did not come from Egypt. It came from God to Moses since Moses was under the guidance of God.
Today that ritual is still practiced by the Jewish people.
Being an ignorant man as you are you complicates everything because you see everything complicated.
Of course Maydum... That's one of the first things we Catholics learn: The Father ... The Son... and The Holy Sprit
The Trinity of The ONE GOD....
If "I" look at the many allegories told to me through the years... I would "trip up" and if I didn't know what I know (which is my belief) I guess I would purpose that there are three Individual characteristics of GOD...
But if I place my "logic" and my sense for my better understanding I know that GOD is a OMNIPRESENCE.... A Super Powerful Force.....
He is a jealous GOD He wants "ALL" of the Glory... Recognition... and Thanks....
So... NO I do not convey that statement "Three Gods"
God is the Head The Son (We are all children of GOD/Jesus - his Messenger/The Bringer of GODs quest) The Holy Spirit (or as my Daddy would say.... something that is right there in your subconscious - that allows me to feel, acknowledge, withness... that there is something out there much greater than you and I... which surpasses ALL OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THOUGHTS, UNDERSTANDING.... YET provides assurance to me.... That my body... was designed by an Intellectual Designer....
Because of the very complex structure of DNA, I have to conclude... (and it's basic genetics) that my cellular structure contains the recordings of my past ancestors.... so yes... my son would have in an essence ..... carry those dna links and for generations to come...
1a : the permanent as contrasted with the accidental element of being
b : the individual, real, or ultimate nature of a thing especially as opposed to its existence
c : the properties or attributes by means of which something can be placed in its proper class or identified as being what it is ........
Again... as I stated... I hope this is only an exchange of our different ideologies... I always feel the need to put that out there "always" on this forum... And because of the diversity of religion I would never ever place what I believe or my teachings as "all TRUTH" It is my Truth... and my practice... BECAUSE... I've lost a lot of loved ones in my family... and if there is anyway... Allegory or otherwise... that gives me instructions to live so that I may see my family again... whether its a heavenly home... or just rotting in a box surrounded by my family's grave... ok...
so I can chant, pray, meditate, pray standing... sitting... kneeling... hands raised to the skies facing east, west, north, or south.... its done...
I aint gotta problem ... Im constantly seeking blessings and peace...
Sis that was priceless i love the way you artulate yuor worda And stand on your faith faith is the substance of things hope for the evidence of things not seen...priceless im trying to use voice comnand ob tgis phone
To my knowledge, Ali was not suspended from the NOI, he left willingly. In the 1960's, When the U.S. Government revoked Ali's boxing license and stripped him of his title, after Ali refused induction into the Army, Ali spent every penny on legal fees, trying to get himself out of prison. When Ali's boxing license was reinstated, Ali wanted to return to the ring for a "Little Money".
Elijah Muhammad advised Muhammad Ali to stop boxing. Why did Elijah advise Muhammad Ali to stop boxing??? Because boxing is viewed by many as a very "violent" contact sport, and Elijah was against seeing two Black men beat each other up for amusement. Elijah Muhammad felt that Allah made Ali for a different purpose other than boxing, but Ali had a passion for the sport that he was not ready to give up.
The following is Elijah Muhammad's response in the Muhammad Speaks newspaper for Ali's decision to keep boxing. You can view the article here: http://muhammadspeaks.com/MuhammadAli.html
"He's got a right to spank all of us...I am his humble servant. What I said was out of place. And that's that. What he says will suffice. Boxing is temporary. I will be a Muslim until the day I die. I only pray that he will forgive me and let me back. We have a saying that there are not big I's and little you's -- that it's all in the religion. When I'm wrong. I must pay like everybody else." - "Muhammad Ali" quoted in "The Daily News", Miami, Florida, by John Crittenden, sports editor.
All of the above was said in 1969. History shows that Muhammad Ali continued boxing.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 11:22AM
Siebra Muhammad
ASA...I'm with you on this one, Siebra. I am not aware of any suspension of Muhammad Ali from the Nation. His boxing license was suspended for refusing induction into the US army. That's the only suspension I'm aware of.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 12:52PM
A.B. Madyun
I do remember, however, that he was reprimanded by both THEM, and Imam Mohammed for not devoting more time to his religious conviction. THEM said that he had the sport of boxing in his blood. Imam Mohammed advised him on his refusal to retire from boxing. He could see that Ali was headed into some problems as a result of how he appeared in the ring. His skills were noticeably diminishing as was bore out when he faced Larry Holmes, a fight in which Ali barely threw a punch. He, however received a lot of punches from Holmes who also took notice of the champ's diminishing mobility skills. He continually requested that the referee stop the bout which the ref eventually did stop the match.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 12:59PM
A.B. Madyun
o my.... My lady is about to set it off.... yikes!!
My grandfather used to tell me get your education.... learn study your lessons.... He used to say... don't worry about tests and grades...
YOU (I) define my greatness.... but to grasp as much Academia as possible... He taught me more than any book... But because of his continuous persistance... he gave me the greatest gift in this life... THE love of BOOKS and the Love of Being open minded and naturally inquisitive... And never think that anything I have to say or ask is DUMB!!!
A dumb question is an unasked question.... was that a quote from some famous philosopher? uuummm
but in the event... I did as I was instructed....
and it never dawned on me until I was 18 years old and heading off to college....
that my grandfather was illiterate.... Imagine that ....
My days must be coming to a near... because for as of lately ..... All I can hear are the whispers of my Ancestors... Particularly my grandfather...
Cynthia Merrill Artis...This is in no way meant as a slight to your belief, but I could never give myself to the same religion under which the slavemaster used to beat, murder, and maim our forfathers in shackled slavery. Even the first ship that they brought the first African slaves to America to do free labor for them was named "Jesus of the Newbeck." If I were to believe in such a religion, I would betray my forefathers who shed their blood so that we could live.
In addition, after learning the truth of who I am, and the proper religion (way of life for man), the religion of Al-Islam, if I were to turn back to other than Al-Islam, it would be like going back to my own vomit.
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (H.Q., سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, 5:82)
You seem to have something to prove. Me...on the other hand...I have nothing to prove at all? In our holy book, The Noble Quran, Allah (G_d) says:
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (H.Q., سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, 2:256)
This means that we have nothing to argue about because when He (Allah) created us He gave us choices unlike any other beings that He created. Not even the angels were afforded this same latitude.
There is nothing wrong with the wording of His truth. It's just that people don't recognize it because it is different than that which they have been used to all of their lives. Or, they have a tendency to either choose to accept it, or to reject it. Some accept it because it sounds right. Others choose it because they allow the inborn nature that Allah placed in all men to recognize it as the truth. Still others, on the other, choose to reject it because;
a) Though they recognize it, because it stands in the way of their weaknesses, they refuse to submit to it. b) They don't allow themselves to accept it because they think they have something better. So because they are arrogant, they reject it even though they know that they cannot present a valid argument.
If your choice is to argue for the slave master's religion, please do not expect me to argue with you on this subject. I refuse to be drawn into an argument about a religion that I totally object to for the right reason, and not selfish reasons.
We, the Muslims in association with the leadership of Imjam W. Deen Mohammed, have established good relationships with a large number of Christian organizations who have no desire to argue over these petty points about the differences in our religions. Rather they, like ourselves, choose to dwell together, and work together based upon the things that we do agree upon in religion so that we can cooperate together to build, and promote a better society for man.
This is the correct establishment that G_d intended for man. You seem to be a good, and well intending person. Do you from here on out agree to disagree on our differences, and instead to agree on what we do share like minds on in establishing a better world of tomorrow for our children? Are you in agreement with this premise?
One thing I'd like to add, and that is this. We are not of the kind of religion that believes that G_d will only accept you into the jannah (paradise; heaven) unless you declare that you believe in Islam as was revealed to Muhammad the Prophet (pbuh). What we do believe, however, is that once you recognize this as being the truth, and then you openly reject it, and continue your practice of your preferred way of worship, then you are responsible for that which you rejected. But this is my belief. I totally understand that you are free, and absolutely do not have to accept.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 4:09PM
A.B. Madyun
I'm way behind here, still on the question of how many gods.
Psalm 82 King James Version (KJV)
82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Thanks Siebra and A.B. But Siebra, both of the links you gave took me to Not Found.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 4:28PM
Steve Williams
Irma... I for one can agree with you on that note.... ((THE FEMAL IS NOT JUST A s*x OBJECT, SERVANT OR DEPENDANT ON MAN))
I grew up during the Awakening of the Woman/Female/Mother/Daughter... And I know this just doesn't sit well with some men... BUT I AM....
I think my grandfather just expected "greatness" from all of his children and grandchildren.. He taught me how to change a tire at 14... and change my oil... He said that he never wanted me to be in a situation "wherein" I could not take care of myself. Growing up with older male cousins and brothers... They taught me to fight... And I had better not get my butt kicked...
I can be as feminin as I want to be And can handle "my household and children" with a ironed fist and gentle stroke...
OK...
For the past few days... I have just been feeling like.... whew!!
Graduation is coming up in the Spring 2014. I'm hoping that my oldest will be getting married and I'm just feeling like my cycle is almost complete.... I'm so happy ... yet still sense that something is still "out there" and I don't know what it is....
I'm just having my humbling experience... I'm thankful and just exhausted at the same time...
How can you argue with me when I tell that you are ignorant every time you say that you are a Muslim? How can you argue with me when I say you are wrong for and embracing the Arabian Islamic religion and you are not an Arab man?
I’ve brought new wisdom to you that you had not known before that prophets are racially different and that means you must pair up with the prophet of your own race.
Don’t you know that you are a Black American man and the Arabian race is a different race?
You know that I am right and that is why you hide behind that med **** and Harry is delusional. By not being honest every Black American idiot like you could be holding up our sovereignty in a country of our own.
To have a country of our own, our own prophet, our own religion and our own Quran/Bible coming from slavery more can God give us to make us a real people? Honestly what more can God give us and wouldn’t we have the same thing that the Arabian people have? The Arabian people has a country (Arabian). They have their our Prophet Mohammed am I right. They have their own Islamic religion right. They even have their own Quran that speaks of the things they went through like our Quran will speak of the things that I am presently going through with you like Mohammed went through with his Arabian people when he was a prophet.
How long are you all going to stall our sovereignty? Our future generations wants to be a real and sovereign people in a country of our own.
I am the only one that God is going to do it through. Mr. Frad, Elijah and W Deen Muhammad has passed so you know they were not the ones.
The racial issue of the prophets is what’s going to work for me in the long run and cause every one else to fall am I right. It was God in one of my revelations that showed this fact and it was their all the time and so one seen it. Not even Mr. Fard, Elijah, WD Muhammad and Dr. King. Only I saw it and that show tell you that I am our prophet. Our time has come!
The voice of the ancestors is what drives that emotion.
I feel it too. And not just the ancestors but the living also, and those to come. We are all connected and the more we realizes that the more good will be done.
In whose hands is our fate? It's not a simple answer.
Never will I get into the arguements of religion...
Had I been a Jehovah Witness or a Lutheran... I believe that I would still holdfast my beliefs.
I think sometimes... It's just ok to sit back and look at each person and reach for the "good" .. I am not too proud to say... that I know "everything" .... I consider the rewards of socializing... I look for enlightenment.... "know thyself" and 'to thine ownself be true" ...
Grandparents, being the elders of the parents are a very powerful force. My maternal grandfather and paternal grandmother were the most positive influences in my life, and my mother.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 5:10PM
Steve Williams
for me.... it's my elder brother(rip), David and my grandfather...all men.... im from a large family of boys....
My dad and I have a special kind of kinship.... we share a common temperment... which he says can be a bit confrontational (Im always respectful) just too much alike... two free spirits can cause destructive winds... LOL
Irma... Women's Rights.... in a world of male dominance....
you know you made a statement... Women whom chose to not have children...
My younger cousin... in her mid 40's... doesn't have children and says she will not go through the burden of one day possibly having to be a single parent...
I told her that in her old age, she is going to worry about not having a child to care for her ...
But she says no.... I often think... What if I had not decided to have children... however (my thoughts were not HIS thoughts)... But I absolutely love my sons and I even through the good the bad and the ugly... especially with them being 15 years apart....
I can't fantom not having the whole experience...
YES... everybody 15 years apart... and I don't look a day over 40!!! AWE$SOME DNA!!
"IS IT ARGUING IN CIRCLES TO SAY ONE WILL NOT BE REJECTED IF NOT A BELIEVER ( ALMOST AT TH EEND OF YOUR LAST COMMENT TO DOC?...COULD YOU PLEASE CLAIRFY AT LEAST FO RME? (SMILE)"
"A.B. WHAT IS A MENTAL SLAVE IF NOT ONE WHO REJECTS OUTOF HANDS ANY BELIEFS TAHT THEIR OWN PEOPLES ARE HUMAN BEINGS WITH THE POWERS TO TEACH OTHERS. EXAMPLE TO BELIEVE OVER WRITTEN TH EMAN'S DOCUMENTATIONS AND YUR OWN PEOPLES TAHT WE WERE FIRST BROUGHT TO AMERICA NOT AS SLAVES BUT AS PAID TEACHERS ON TEACING THE 'AMN' HOW TO TURN THE SWAMPS OF GA AND S.C INTO LNDS FOR THE CULTIVATIONS OF RICE IS BEYOND PITY FOR DENYING YOUR OWN PEOPLE CAME TO AMERICA AS FREE...O H AND BECAUSE MOTHE AFRICA HAD CITY STATES AND THE MUSLIMS THE SECOND AFTER EGYPT TEH GREATEST EMPIRES THEN KNOWN T MAND KIND MEAN IN MOTHE AFRICA THERE WERE CITY STATES AND MOST OF TH E'SLAVES' BROUGHT FROM MOTHE AFRICA WERE SLAVES OR OUR OWN PEOPLES WHITH OUR OWN SELLING THEM...BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THEIR SLAVERY IS WE WER BELIEVED TO BE MEMBERS OF TH EHUMAN RACE AND CULD RISE FROM SLAVERY TO EVEN BECOMING KINGS AND QUEENS ANSD NOT PROPERT FROM BIRTH TO DEATH!!!...MAKING CLAIMS OF TRUTH TRUMPTS FACTS AND ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PUROSES IS ACTUALLY WHAT HAS A LOT OF US BELIEVING WE AE NOT EQUAL NOT JUST S MALES BUT AS FEMALES THEN AS WELL AS NOW...IS NOT LIMITED TO BEING SHIITI OR SUNNI NOT IN AMERICA!!!(NUP)"
Have no idea what you are asking. I'm having trouble reading your script. Could you edit your words? At the end you mention something of shiiti (don't know what that is) and sunni (sames sunnah, or practice of the Prophet. Sectarianism is forbidden in Islam.
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 11:31PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis
"I think sometimes... It's just ok to sit back and look at each person and reach for the "good" ".. I am not too proud to say... that I know "everything" .... I consider the rewards of "socializing... I look for enlightenment.... "know thyself" and 'to thine ownself be true" ... That's my simple creed in life..."
I have the highest respect for you. Even more, Cynthia, I respect your mind.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 12:04AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia,
You said never will you get into an argument about religion and that is absolutely wrong. Religion is the thing to argue about because it defines who you are and where you belong.
Since Black Americans are descendents of plantation slaves and a new race of people we don’t know where belong and who we are until God gave anointed us a prophet. You can not imagine what a divine glory that is for us Black Americans.
All prophets know who their people are and where they belong because God has educated the prophet on the subject.
I once thought that we Black Americans were from Africa and came over here on slave ships until God showed me that we were not from Africa. God showed me that we are a new race of people and that we came into existence on this continent about 500 years ago when the old White slave master consistently bred himself with his first wave of African slaves that after 300 years a new race of people were in existence from this breeding process.
This knowledge makes Dr. King, Elijah, Farrakhan and everybody wrong on the concept that we are Black Americans came from Africa.
Religion is very important because when religion is the issue God is involve and when God is involve you know that everything is right and exact.
We are Black Americans. Our religion is LIFE. Our prophet is Harry and we are soon to come into our own country.
We are not Christians or Muslims. Our religion is not Christianity or Islam. Our prophet is not the Jewish Jesus or the Arabian Mohammed.
However, the subject of the blog is whether Malcolm was a sell-out or traitor? None of you are able to answer the question because you are confuse because you all think that a sell-out person is a store owner that has sold-out all his furniture’s.
I have an IQ of 68 and I know the different between a traitor and a successful business man and you all don’t yet you all think I am delusional.
Irma, the males are sometimes thick-headed. I feel a blog coming on.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 12:47AM
Steve Williams
MADYUN.... Thank You....
BUT .... we all started with the Malcolm X Conspiracy....
Now is not The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley.... The most "close to accurate" accounts of ... His life.... And did he not feel that .... his fellow brothers were "not to be trusted"
I am more inclined to believe historical accounts of, not necessarily the people who lived during that era, but rather from people who walked, talked, slept, and ate with the man...people who meant something to him in his life when he was alive. I'd like to suggest a reading to you. There is a book out that was written by Malcolm's sister, Ella Little Collins, which was later completed by her son, Rodnell P. Collins, upon her untimely death. It is entitled "Seventh Child." Not only was Ella very close to her brother (Ella financed Malcolm's trip to Mecca to make Hajj), but she also emphasized to her son that Wallace was also very close to him, and recalled of back in the 50's when Wallace had told Malcolm then that he believed that "...the only possible salvation for the NOI would be of it's accepting, and projecting a better understanding of Orthodox Islam..."
Malcolm's sisters account or Alex Haleys actual documented conversations .....
I would like to know if I should decide to check it out...
BUT first I have to read Gregory Boulware's published works..... Ha! Ha!
Steve check it out... I know how much you like to read....I am finishing up finals this week and next week will be reading time....
"NOW "I" MUST MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO YOU A.B. BALANCE TO ME IS " CAUSE" :YOU HAD NO COMLAINT ABOUT ANY THING I HAD TO SAY WHEN YOU TOOK IT "I" WAS AGREEING WITH YOU... "EFFECT" : YOU NOW SEE ME AS INDISAGREEMENT WITH YOU AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTND ANY THING I SAY... "IT TO ME IS ONLY SURVIVAL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY / THE FIRST NATURAL LAW OF "H-U-M-A-N BEHAVIOR". (S-M-I-L-E)"
Why did you think that I was agreeing with you when I never responded with an agreement, nor with a disagreement? I don't suppose any of you believe that I'm not here for argumentative purposes. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. I certainly don't plan to force anything upon you, or anyone else on this forum. I believe that information can be shared between us without confrontation, but never think that I agree with you because I don't respond. I don't respond to Harry either. Did you notice that?
To explain why I could not understand what you were asking is your writing style. You write in a very esoterical manner to say what you are attempting to say, but you don't say it, and then you type so fast that you don't take the time to edit what you type. But either way, you will be unsuccessful in drawing me into an argument. We don't have anything to argue about. For me to argue with you means that I am not secure in what I believe, and it also would indicate that I am here for the same purpose that it appears that you are here for...to argue. I am here only to share information. If it makes you uncomfortable...sorry. (SMILE)
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 3:47AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"MADYUN.... Thank You.... BUT .... we all started with the Malcolm X Conspiracy.... Now is not The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley.... The most "close to accurate" accounts of ... His life.... And did he not feel that .... his fellow brothers were "not to be trusted" .."
Malcolm's obviously "fellow brothers" were the ones who remained loyal to him up until the end. Alex Haley was a free lance writer who was never related to Malcolm. Ella Little Collins was his paternal sister, who was a close confident to him. They had a trust, and strong bond between them. Malcolm actually lived with his sister and her family from time to time whenever he was in Boston during that period. Before Malcolm met Mr. Haley, he didn't know him from Adam, although he may have known of him. Yes...it would be a good idea to check out the book...just a recommendation, of course. I'm trying to figure out why I'm making folks so uncomfortable all of a sudden. It's certainly not my intent to make anyone uncomfortable. I seen earlier where someone mentioned to never trust anyone whose way of life is for blacks only. I hope that no one here has concluded that Islam is an all black religion. If that is so, who are the Chechnians, and Bosnians in Europe.? Did you know that the largest Muslim population in the world is in Malaysia? More and more Europeans are embracing Islam right here in America. It is the fastest growing religion in the world preceeding the 9/11 (alleged) terrorist attack on NY city's twin towers incident in 2001. This is no ethnic religion. It is the religion of humanity.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 4:44AM
A.B. Madyun
Malcolm bore this out in Haley's account of Malcolm's autobiography. Just a bit of information you may have overlooked when you read the book.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 4:48AM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson... Just curious...but is your cap key stuck?
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 4:53AM
A.B. Madyun
Mr. Madyun,
Islam is not a Black American religion at all. Black America’s religion is LIFE. Pure Islam is an Arabian religion because it was Prophet Mohammed who introduced Islam to his Arabian people converting them from paganism. The religion of Islam did not exist before the coming of Prophet Mohammed.
You Mr. Madyun have no business with the religion of Islam since you are not an Arab born man. Dummy you are a Black American and a descendent of plantation slaves.
Religions are always given to the people by their very own first time prophet. Prophet Abraham was first time prophet and he gave his Jewish people Judaism. Mohammed was a first time prophet as well and he gave Islam to his Arabian people. I am a first time prophet and I gave the religion LIFE to my Black American people.
Madyun... Yes...it would be a good idea to check out the book...just a recommendation, of course. ==========================================
Thank you and I will check out the book...
Maydun states:----
I'm trying to figure out why I'm making folks so uncomfortable all of a sudden. It's certainly not my intent to make anyone uncomfortable. I seen earlier where someone mentioned to never trust anyone whose way of life is for blacks only.
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I would say... I don't think that "the discomfort" is directly at you.... As you can tell... This social network site has become somewhat "a primary interactionary tool" for most of us here.... In the past; there has been conflicts regarding religious beliefs. And like you; "we collectively" each have our ideology regarding: religion, womens' rights, gay/lesbian rights.... Guns, Violence..... the basic contemporary issues plastered all of the News.....
Also, please do not take my... views as being nothing more than "what I see/hear/believe"...
I think I can safely say... We ... ALL.... enjoy discussing issues... Even though words may read/ express tension or aggitation... That's normal conversation.......
Nevertheless , if "a statement or comment is made; inwhich "one" may feel like ... "his/her belief" is now going to be challenged.... Most often tends to incite... cyber riots...
BUT seriously, I will say... that I enjoy being challenged... and I enjoy "debates" ...
BUT like you, I will never engage in arguements over anyones "beliefs"
LIKE HARRY.............
ONE THING IS CONSISTENT.....
Irregardless of anyone's thoughts, ideas or beliefs... One can depend on Harry to jump from blog to blog running off his mouth in his voice recognition software.... just rambling off with his blah... blah... blah...
Yet when someone asks him to STOP and keep it moving.... The BLAHS... continue BUT we know ... Harry is delusional Harry has a below average IQ Harry thinks he's some dayum Savior
and he thinks that 'we" are descendent of plantation slaves whom were exploited by our ancestors slave owners .... and we have somehow been studded and breeded into this new race of people....
I mean really.... who believes this crap??? only Harry...
so keeping this in mind.... ((I am a first time prophet and I gave the religion LIFE to my Black American people)).
Where in the hell is Harry's people...
OK... I'm calling out for all of you... Black American and a descendent of plantation slaves.... WHOM DOESN'T KNOW..... U IZ FREE!!
Cynthia Merrill Artis...I can appreciate that, Cynthia. And I appreciate peaceful people who don't get pushed out of shape because one does not embrace their beliefs. We still have a ways to go in learning to be respectful, and civil to one another. I get the same feeling about Irma as well. We just need to straighten out our misunderstanding. I really apologize, Irma, if I offended you by not understanding your writings. Really, it's your style. It really helps to be more direct in what you write, and if your cap key is stuck, it would be good to know that too. Peace?
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 11:24AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...As you may, or may not have detected, Harry is no issue with me, and is not of qualification of anything of significant substance. Have you noticed that Harry has not drawn a direct response from me yet. I mean, REALLY!!! I take pride in enjoying intelligent conversations...not silly ones. Harry is very abusive in how he addresses people. He has referred to my name with some very ugly names, but, in my estimation, he is not talking to me. He is talking to Harry...feel me?
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 11:29AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...Back to Harry...in addition, Harry doesn't know what he's talking about concerning Islam anyways which goes without saying. SMH
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 11:32AM
A.B. Madyun
Harry is off the chainz... Harry knows nothing about nothing... Trust me... and he can't encourage me to lead a camel to water...!!
I overlook his sporatic outbursts...
He's rude, obnoxious, very disrespectful and just the things come out of his mouth is vile... vulgar... you no....
I tend to entertain his stupidity ... because it's quite obvious he has problems... BUT when I have enuff... I have to go there....
Oh Irma... My Lady... Being that she is "An Elder" and really has alot of information to offer in regards to Black African Studies.....
She's highly opinionated, is not affraid to "bring it to the light" and will NUP in a minute...
Madyun in the Cyber World... Personalities are many... And I am one to say ... as a matter of fact... There is something on this forum that keeps me coming back for more...
I can atest.... I have learned so much on these pages....
Don't you go getting all uncomfortable .... this is a part of the African Nation Building Maintenance...
to bring awareness and fix this cultural misorientation that which we have been plagued with over centuries...
I'm not uncomfortable, but, as is a natural, a flag has to necessarily jut up on my part when folks begin to show displeasure in my positions on any given matter. There's no reason for anyone to get pushed out of shape over what I say. I don't expect anyone to accept my view necessarily. On the other hand, it is best that the other person feel the same, and recognize that as we go along, because of our G-d given connection in humanity, and in our ethnicity, we will reach a middle ground. This can never be achieved as long as anger is present. Please trust me to say that I do understand people more thoroughly than most people can imagine. Once again, I am in total agreement with you.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 12:31PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. YOU MAY LIKE TO CHECK YOUR OWN WORDS ON YOUR OWN BLOG...BUT, AS AI SIAD YOU MAY HAVE TO BECOME LIKE OTHERS ON THE SITE GET TO KNOW ME OVER A FEW YEARS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ACCEPT I DON'T CHANGE WITH EVER THEME, COMMENT, ECT....I AM FOR BALANCE, ECT. (SMILE)...I DON'T TAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS PERSONALLY ONLY AS DIALOGUE...AS IN ALLOWING ALL SIDE HAVE A SAY ME, "I" DO SO 'OBJECTIVELY...(SMILE)...
"NOW IF YOU A.B. TAKE THE TIME TO GO REREAD WHAT I SAID IN AN OBJECTIVE WAY THEN MAYBE YOU CANBETER UNDERSTAND WHY I SAID YOUR OWN WORDS ON YOUR OWN BLOG, NOT MINES. (SMILE)"
If it's war that you want Irma, your best bet is to go and join the military. Once again, I am not your enemy, and I am in total awe as to why you are creating enmity between you and me. Why don't you just state what the real problem is and stop beating around the bush? What is your complain? BTW...Forget the idea that I become like everyone else on here as you suggest. That ain't going to happen. The intelligent thing to do is that if you don't like my position on any given issues, then simply don't accept them. But trying to bully me into accepting your position will prove to be for you a quest of futility. What exactly would you like for me to re-read?
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 12:44PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson
"A.B...."I" AM NOT THE ONE YOU WANT TO STAND ON THEIR BACK TO MAKE YOU TALLER. (ROTFLMPROUD BLACKFEMALEAO)..."
I'm sorry, Irma...you have once again completely misread me. Perhaps you too need to go back to that Malik guy's first blog and re-read what I said about me. I'm not here to re-present me. This never was about me. I'm bigger than that, (to make it quite clear) and I don't insert one ounce of ego into what I offer here. You can take that to the bank and cash it. (SMILE)
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 12:50PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson...Where I come from, there are no big I's and little you's, except perhaps in someone's mind that thinks that way. (SMILE)
Irma Robinson...Peace..it seems that the only middle ground that we are going to reach (you and I) is for me to continue in not responding to you. You are refusing to state what the problem is that you have with me. That's not being fair to either of us. Unless you can specifically identify what your problem is with me, I don't feel that this conversation can continue without us coming to a stalemate on your esoterical problem that you refuse to bring out. I don't want to beat it out of you, but I do care. I love you too, my sister. (SMILE)
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 1:00PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson
"ARGUMENT : STATE YOUR PRIMISE AND THAN BACK IT UP...NOT STATE A PRIMISE AND BACK IT UP BY THROWING IN EVERY THING BUT THE KICHEN SINK AND IF THIS DON'T WORK THEN START HURLING INSULTS AND IF THESE DON'T WORK THEN THROWN IN RELIGION..."
Still don't believe I'm not here to argue? Who even said that I was here to raise arguments in the first place? I sure didn't!! (SMILE)
"AGAIN "I" CHALK IT IN AS HUMAN BEHAVIOR ACCORDING TO THE FIRS T LAW OF 'MOTHER NATURE' (ANOTHER FEMALE.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL) (SMILE)"
What does this have to do with me? Oh!! That's right:
"ARGUMENT : STATE YOUR PRIMISE AND THAN BACK IT UP...NOT STATE A PRIMISE AND BACK IT UP BY THROWING IN EVERY THING BUT THE KICHEN SINK AND IF THIS DON'T WORK THEN START HURLING INSULTS AND IF THESE DON'T WORK THEN THROWN IN RELIGION..."
We certainly need to leave room for the participants who like to argue, don't we? (SMILE)
arguments plural 1. An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one I've had an argument with my father heated arguments over public spending there was some argument about the decision 2. A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal he rejected the argument that keeping the facility would be costly 3. An independent variable associated with a function and determining the value of the function. For example, in the expression y = F(x1, x2), the arguments of the function F are x1 and x2, and the value is y 4. A value or address passed to a procedure or function at the time of call 5. Any of the noun phrases in a clause that are related directly to the verb, typically the subject, direct object, and indirect object 6. The middle term in a syllogism 7. A summary of the subject matter of a book
As you can see, there are many ways to argue outside of the first definition that requires you to incorporate anger into your argument. Don't take this personal, because it is my feeling that you just don't know, and this is not negatively, or otherwise, aimed at you, but I prefer a more intelligent approach since G_d created me as a free man in this cosmos. I do hope that you received no harm from this comment, but if you did, I ask Allah (G_d) to forgive me if I caused you any injury. (SMILE)
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 1:18PM
A.B. Madyun
@Madyun ..... tread lightly.... lol
And let me say. ..irma isnt a going to back down... you have awaken the sleeping dragon.... Just allow me to offer a calming exchange of reason.... Correct me if I am wrong .... as a muslim man you regard certain ideas when it comes to women and their roles in your constructual view... I used to refer to Irma as the Angela davis of bia... Very strongwilled.... outspoken and direct to the point! Also I think I can speak for the majority of Our clique.... 70+ years does allow for certain degree of respect.... quite naturally I find that if she interjects a comment or critique.... tAke it an just wait most often times ON
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 2:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
After the storm.... I understand where shes coming from or going....its like I think we discussed... We are here to engage in critical thinking... miseducation... and nation build our people.
I believe that we can enjoy each others ideas...
Btw if you think Irma is bad.... just wait til ya come across Kem and jen... yikes... I wouldnt get caught up in a cat fight with these two ladies....
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 2:11PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hello Cynthia,
You said that you enjoy being challenged and you enjoy debates. That is a bold-face lie!
Since no Black Americans are right about the most important thing in our lives and that is why we Black Americans now have a prophet I am doing my job by challenging all 41 million Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves directly or indirectly. And, when I challenge all I get back is that I am delusional and that I need to take my meds and I right.
This sort of responds tells me in a nice way that you don’t like to be challenged and that is why I say that you are telling a bold-face lie when you say you like to be challenge and that you enjoy a debating. You are a damn liar.
Then you whine that I think that I am our Savior, but if like being challenge and enjoy debates you would respond to my challenge that I am our Savior.
Saying that I am delusional and had I taking my meds is not a responds.
I challenged you that since all prophets and their racially matched I said that the Jewish Jesus could not be anything to you because Jesus and you don’t racially match. You won’t respond you that challenge, but you would lie and say that you like a challenge.
The reason why you lie about that you like to be challenge is because even your less mind can see that I am right and the power I hold about this racial difference in all the prophets and that means that Black America’s prophet must be a Black American. You have never heard this kind of argument before from any one not even from Dr. King.
To thy own self be true
This same argument I have with my so-called Muslim people that they are stupid pairing up with an Arabian prophet when we are Black Americans. Don’t you see Mr. dumb-ass Madyun stays clear of me because it is an argument he and all Muslims like him can win?
I have the Christians and the Muslims tied up and only one person can do something like this and that person can only be our first genuine prophet. The results is that I am going to unite all Black Americans into one people with one religion and one prophet because there is only but one God and we have but one way to go and that is sovereignty in a country of our own in my life-time.
I am truly our prophet and everything I say for us is going to happen.
And let me say. ..irma isnt a going to back down... you have awaken the sleeping dragon.... Just allow me to offer a calming exchange of reason.... Correct me if I am wrong .... as a muslim man you regard certain ideas when it comes to women and their roles in your constructual view... I used to refer to Irma as the Angela davis of bia..."
I'm not sure of your reason to alert me that she won't back down. I don't expect her to. So it looks like that makes two of us, doesn't it? By the way, dragons are only a myth, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. What specific ideas are you referring to in your question of what construct that I place on women? It's not good to define a Muslim man's position on women until you first learn the Quranic view of women versus the media view that is more popular with the public. I can appreciate that you refer to Irma as being likened unto Angela Davis which I'll have to assume is meant in one context on her behalf, and another on mine...is this correct? So I'm supposing that this is supposed to mean that I, as a Muslim man, am supposed to be a womanizer. I hate to attempt to interpret your meaning on these statements, but if this is supposed to make me feel intimidated, sorry...I ain't buying into these meaningless arguments. It is not me that you are challenging. It sounds as though it is the religion. I'm not worried about that. It can take care of itself, and the same for me.
"...Btw if you think Irma is bad.... just wait til ya come across Kem and jen... yikes... I wouldnt get caught up in a cat fight with these two ladies...."
It won't happen. You can count on it. (SMILE)
"...The winds of emotion will not rock this house. It won't even shake the shades, though the shutters may be drawn..." Imam W. Deen Mohammed Saviors Day Convention Chicago, Ill. 26 Feb 1975
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 4:41PM
A.B. Madyun
Be Your Own Self! By Imam W. Deen Mohammed
We have to be our own self. We have to be our own selves. Being your own self means more than conforming to your own nature; it means preserving yourself; saving yourself from slavery to other people or to other ideas.
The Muslim cannot be a slave to any people or to any other ideas. We are the slaves of Allah. We can’t be a slave to any ideology, to the Labor Party doctrine, to communism, to Shiite-ism or any other of the isms, Wahhabiism, or Sunniism. Once a Muslim becomes a “Sunni” rather than a Muslim first, he has taken on Sunni-ism. And Sunni-ism leads to the worship of Prophet Mohammed, over the obedience to G-d or slavery to G-d.
So we are not worshipers of Prophet Mohammed. We are not worshipers of his cousin Ali, may the peace and blessings be upon him, and may the peace be upon the Imam and Khalifa Ali. We respect them in their proper places.
Prophet Muhammed is the Messenger Prophet to all of us. Ali was his cousin, a wonderful friend and supporter, but no divine being. We can’t worship him. And Prophet Mohammed said “I hope my followers will not do as the Christians did when I pass, that is, go to my grave and weep and make long prayers and fall into the worship, fall into sin.” Yes.
We don’t worship Prophet Mohammed. We don’t worship anybody. We worship Allah. We are the slaves of Allah. Who guided us to this — through Prophet Muhammed (peace and the blessings be upon him).
It was that great prophet that guided us to this belief. He gave us this position, that we are slaves of G-d and slaves of no one else, no other ideology, no other person, and no other people.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 6:39PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...It's not going to work, sister! LOL
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 6:53PM
A.B. Madyun
Just Follow Islam “All Americans, can appreciate and love you, if you just follow Islam. Islam is not a religion out of date. It is a religion that suits the modern needs of the most advanced society. You just have to study it, appreciate it, and have the courage to represent it. Don’t think it’s Muslim to be an Odd Fellow. It’s Muslim to be a human being, in human excellence.”
“That’s what Muslim is. To be human in human excellence. That’s the Muslim.”
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good." (H.Q., Al-Nisaa (The Women), 4:19)
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 7:07PM
A.B. Madyun
Sorry for the typo again.... I was trying to use my phone.....
So let me do this again.....
Ok Mr. Madyun...... lol..... ¿¿womanizer?? As you say it`s not good to define a Muslim man.....
let me address each question....
I'm not sure of your reason to alert me that she won't back down. I don't expect her to. So it looks like that makes two of us, doesn't it?--------------- if you say so.... OK
By the way, dragons are only a myth, right? You tell me...
Correct me if I'm wrong. ------ NO Sirr!
What specific ideas are you referring to in your question of what construct that I place on women?
It's not good to define a Muslim man's position on women until you first learn the Quranic view of women versus the media view that is more popular with the public.
-------------------------------------------------------------now her I GO=====
If I recall correctly.... YOU jumped on Siebra in regards to her dress..... or lack of dress (covering up)....
Also, her being a white man's what have you.......
so I guess I can safely say in truth that I read your ((Quranic view of women ))
I can appreciate that you refer to Irma as being likened unto Angela Davis which I'll have to assume is meant in one context on her behalf, and another on mine...is this correct? AGAIN.... DEPENDS ON YOUR views of "this woman"... Which I can say.... (I suspect that I do)
However, thats an indication to you... that I think differently.....
So I'm supposing that this is supposed to mean that I, as a Muslim man, am supposed to be a womanizer. I hate to attempt to interpret your meaning on these statements,
but if this is supposed to make me feel intimidated, sorry... .........uuuummmm does my sassy intimidate you?...... I never thought of that.... LOOK!!!! no....
I ain't buying into these meaningless arguments.............---- when have I attempted to get into a meaningless arguement with you?
It is not me that you are challenging. ............... ¿¿?? ... challlenge you
It sounds as though it is the religion. ........ whaaa??
I'm not worried about that. It can take care of itself, and the same for me. ---------- well all righty then sirr.....
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
(H.Q., An-Nisaa, 4:34)
You make the separation between the people, and the religion. They are not the same. How the Arabs treat their women is not even remotely relative to Al-Islam. This is not an Arab religion. It is the nature of humanity. It is called the 'Deen al-fitrah (the natural, and perfect way in which Allah designed all things in His creation). Muhammad was of the Arab people. It could have been anyone...an African, a Chnese...anyone. Something of note: Prophet Muhammad told Bilal, an Abyssinian slave who was freed from his master by Abu Bakr Siddiq, and was the first mueddhin of the faith (caller to prayer) for Muslims all over the world...the Prophet told him that he saw Bilal's footsteps ahead of his own leading into the Jannah (paradise) because of his piety to Allah.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 7:38PM
A.B. Madyun
Harry my beloved ole wuss!!@!
How many times have we gone through this discussion about you ideology of a new race of americans from the ashes of slavery...??? Also, how many times have I told you that ..... I IZZZ A FREE WOMAN....
((You said that you enjoy being challenged and you enjoy debates. That is a bold-face lie! ..... I never lied to you... it's the other voices I now.... remember to turn down your mike ok....
Since no Black Americans are right about the most important thing in our lives and that is why we Black Americans now have a prophet I am doing my job by challenging all 41 million Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves directly or indirectly.
And, when I challenge all I get back is that I am delusional and that I need to take my meds === well isn't it truth Harry??????==== ==== no I think we need to get you back on that Haldol or Thorazine® that other other stuff aint working...
...... responds tells me in a nice way that you don’t like to be challenged and that is why I say that you are telling a bold-face lie when you say you like to be challenge and that you enjoy a debating. You are a damn liar
A.B., it does take some time to understand the extent of Irma's wisdom. And I confess, I'm still sometimes confused by the double and triple negatives. But I do love to hear my sisters shout out.
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 7:42PM
Steve Williams
.........................(And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). ....................................................................................
¿¿¿¿what the frazzle?????????.... ok.... you know what...
As children growing up in an Afrikan community, one can recall, saying "Good Morning" or "Good Evening" and so forth. In any traditional village in Afrika, those who are younger than yourself must greet you with honour. The symbolism of this behaviour is not the 'deconstruction' term "Good Manners" but the holistic celebration of "Sacred Being".
No "One Day" Christian, Muslim, or Hebrew.
"The All" do not exist outside of our being, there is no Whiteman with a bushy beard living behind the clouds. "The All" embodies us as one, in a tapestry of oneness, and the "Spirit", that holds us together, is symbolic in the way(s) we relate to each other.
April 19, 1995 | Timothy McVeigh Bombs Oklahoma City Building By THE LEARNING NETWORK
Staff Sergeant Preston Chasteen The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building pictured two days after it was bombed. Historic Headlines Learn about key events in history and their connections to today. Go to related On This Day page » Go to related post from our partner, findingDulcinea » See all Historic Headlines » On April 19, 1995, a truck bomb exploded outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring 500. It was the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil until the events of Sept. 11, 2001.
Some authorities believed the bombing was retribution for the federal government’s use of force to end the stand-off of the Branch Davidian religious sect that occurred exactly two years earlier. However, as The New York Times reported, “neither the Branch Davidians nor right-wing ‘militia’ groups that have protested the Government’s handling of the Davidians were believed to have the technical expertise to engage in bombings like the one today.” Other authorities suspected that Islamic militants who carried out a similar attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, were behind the attack.
Neither of these hypotheses was correct. The attack was carried out by Timothy McVeigh, an Army veteran and supporter of right-wing militia groups. McVeigh was angered over the government’s actions in Waco and at a similar incident a year earlier in Ruby Ridge, Idaho. He decided to target the Oklahoma Federal building because it was home to multiple federal agencies, including the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, which was involved in Waco.
McVeigh was aided by Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier, two men he had met in the Army who shared similar political views. Mr. Nichols helped McVeigh gather the materials for the bomb and Mr. Fortier helped him survey the building. Though other anti-government activists may have given them support and advice, only McVeigh, Mr. Nichols and Mr. Fortier were charged.
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:18AM
A.B. Madyun
Ramzan Kadyrov, the president of the republic of Chechnya in southern Russia, has issued a statement on Instagram, the Facebook-owned photo-sharing service where he frequently posts casual photos of himself and has over 116,000 followers. In the statement, written in Russian, he criticizes the way that US authorities have handled the search for Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsanaev, the two Chechen brothers who are suspected of carrying on the Boston Marathon bombing.
Here is our translation of the statement. (See notes on the translation below.)
The events that took place in Boston are tragic. People have been killed as a result of a terrorist act. Earlier we expressed our condolences to the residents of the city and to the American people. Today, according to media reports, during an arrest attempt a certain Tsarnaev was killed. It would have made sense to arrest him and carry out an investigation, clarify all the circumstances and his degree of guilt. Evidently, the security services needed a result at any price in order to calm the populace. Any attempts to link Chechnya and the Tsarnaevs, if indeed they are guilty, are futile. They grew up in the USA, their viewpoints and beliefs were formed there. You must look for the roots of [their] evil in America. Terrorism must be fought everywhere. We know this better than anyone. We wish all the victims a [speedy] recovery and share in Americans’ grief. #terroristact #Boston #consequence
Some, relying on Google Translate, have claimed that Kadyrov said ”It is necessary to seek the roots of evil in America.” I think that’s a mistranslation; Russian has no definite article, so read in context, “the roots of evil” most likely means “the roots of the evil,” or “their evil,” referring to the brothers’ motives. (But Alexey Kovalev, editor of Russian news site InoSMI.ru, disagrees with me, implying Kadyrov may have deliberately intended the ambiguity.) The final hashtag, #следствие, is also ambiguous. Its first dictionary meaning is “consequence” or “result,” but it can also mean “investigation.” Under the circumstances, it’s not entirely clear what it is meant to imply.
CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Attorneys for the Colorado theater shooting suspect suggest in a court filing that they might be considering a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity over their client's objections.
The lawyers dropped that hint in papers filed on Monday.
Legal experts think James Holmes' best chance of avoiding execution would be through an insanity defense. But defense lawyers said they can't advise Holmes to enter that plea because of unresolved legal issues that need to be settled by the judge.
They did note that state law allows an insanity plea to be entered over a defendant's objection but did not say they would go that route.
Holmes is charged with killing 12 people and injuring 70 in the attack on a midnight screening of the latest Batman movie.
The prosecution declared on April 1 they would seek the death penalty.
CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Attorneys for the Colorado theater shooting suspect suggest in a court filing that they might be considering a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity over their client's objections.
The lawyers dropped that hint in papers filed on Monday.
Legal experts think James Holmes' best chance of avoiding execution would be through an insanity defense. But defense lawyers said they can't advise Holmes to enter that plea because of unresolved legal issues that need to be settled by the judge.
They did note that state law allows an insanity plea to be entered over a defendant's objection but did not say they would go that route.
Holmes is charged with killing 12 people and injuring 70 in the attack on a midnight screening of the latest Batman movie.
The prosecution declared on April 1 they would seek the death penalty.
What all the above stories have in common is that they all deal with terrorist acts. What separates them is not only does one of them deal with two young men from Russia, who coincidentally at least one of them grew up in the US, who professes to me Muslims, and then the rest are about some caucasian Americans who all claimed to be Christian. David Koresh said that he was Jesus. So did Charles Manson. I'm a strong proponent of Chris Rock's suggestion...instead of focusing on A-Qaeedah, they need to be focusing on Al-Kracka. LOL
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:26AM
A.B. Madyun
Hidden America: Police Target Pimps in 57 Cities http://abcnews.go.com/US/hidden-america-po... 'Pimp Hunters' Launch Investigation By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) June 25, 2012 When the sun goes down on the streets of Denver things are just heating up. With guns drawn police swoop in on a man they suspect is a pimp after he drops two young women, ages 19 and 20, for trysts. Hidden among the nation's leafy suburban streets is an epidemic of s*x trafficking, authorities say, especially of underage girls and boys lured into the life by pimps. The arrest in Denver was one of 107 suspected pimps busted in a three-day weekend sweep in 57 cities. In all, 79 underage children were rescued, more than ever before in a nationwide sweep. ABC News gained exclusive access inside Operation Cross Country, journeying deep inside a hidden world of cat and mouse between law enforcement and those who traffic young women. "A pimp is everybody and anybody. White, black, Hispanic, purple, green, doesn't matter. Man, woman, old, young," Sgt. Dan Steele of the Denver Police Department said.
These pimps were all raised as Christians, and they are all womanizers. Why are you all not focusing on them. Remember, you might be next!! Woops...dere it is!! Who let da dawgs out??? LOL
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:32AM
A.B. Madyun
Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever). (H.Q., Al-Baqara, 2:257)
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:37AM
A.B. Madyun
O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, -
Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight. (H.Q., Al-Maeda, 5:15-17) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:41AM
A.B. Madyun
When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.
When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."
Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).
These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,
Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith!
The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things. (H.Q., Al-Baqara, 2:11-20)
Can the devil fool a Muslim? Not nowadays!!! LOL
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:46AM
A.B. Madyun
Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to Allah's will) in Islam. (H.Q., Al-Hijr, 15:2)
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:47AM
A.B. Madyun
When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know. (H.Q., Al-Baqara, 2:13)
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:49AM
A.B. Madyun
And now they reject the truth when it reaches them: but soon shall they learn the reality of what they used to mock at. (H.Q., Al-Anaam, 6:5)
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:51AM
A.B. Madyun
If We delay the penalty for them for a definite term, they are sure to say, "What keeps it back?" Ah! On the day it (actually) reaches them, nothing will turn it away from them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at! (H.Q., Hud, 11:8)
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 12:53AM
A.B. Madyun
I sit in church and I don't understand why we pray to a caucasian man his hair is blond and his eyes are blue daddy, he doesn't look like you! They say he died upon a cross that's why I feel so lost. You see his picture up on every wall, and it makes me feel so very small. They say his name is Jesus you see, but he doesn't even look like me. Now I know why I feel so low. He looks like the slave masters of long ago!!! What are these images I see? What are they saying to me? Do these images portray divine, or are they just pictures in my mind? Should we give him nappy kinky hair, to these images to compare? The first commandment of G_d, you see, ...Thou shalt have no other G_d but me. In Exodus 30, versus 45 it says don't make graven images of the lord on high. We have his word and it's so divine. We don't need images to cloud our minds. If you believe what your bible say, You won't keep these images for another day!!! LOL
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 1:03AM
A.B. Madyun
WALK WITH ME !!!!
does this sound like the beginning of the NOI Drew Ali taught that all blacks were of Moorish origins but had their Muslim identity taken away from them through slavery and racial segregation. He advocated that they should “return” to the Islam of their Moorish forefathers, redeeming themselves from racial oppression by reclaiming their historical spiritual heritage. He also encouraged use of the term “Moor” rather than “black” in self-identification. Many of the group’s formal practices were derived from Muslim observances. Rigorous obedience to the Prophet’s regulations was required, and certain foods were forbidden. The group’s sacred text was theHoly Koran, which was distinct from the Qurʾān of orthodox Islam and which members considered to have been divinely revealed by Allah to Drew Ali. The work begins with a long narrative spanning from the Fall of Man to the Resurrection of Jesus; it includes moral instructions by Drew Ali and closes with a prophecy of the imminent “uplift of fallen humanity.”
The death of Noble Drew Ali brought out a number of candidates to succeed him. Brother Edward Mealy El stated that he had been declared Drew Ali's successor by Drew Ali himself. In August, within a month of Drew Ali's death, John Givens El, Drew's chauffeur, declared that he was Drew reincarnated. He is said to have fainted while working on Drew's automobile and "the sign of the star and crescent [appeared] in his eyes". At the September Unity Conference, Givens again made his claim of reincarnation. However, the governors of the Moorish Science Temple of America declared Charles Kirkman Bey to be the successor to Drew Ali and named him Grand Advisor The community was further split when Wallace Fard Muhammad, known within the temple as David Ford El,also claimed (or was taken by some) to be the reincarnation of Drew Ali. When his leadership was rejected, Ford-El broke away from the Moorish Science Temple. He moved to Detroit, where he formed his own group, an organization that would become the Nation of Islam, although the Nation of Islam denies any historical connection with the Moorish Science Temple -the roots of the Nation of Islam flow from the Moorish Science Temple of America.At the death of the founder of the Moorish Science Temple, two groups fought for control. One of these groups was led by the roots of the Nation of Islam flow from the Moorish Science Temple of America. At the death of the founder of the Moorish Science Temple, two groups fought for control. One of these groups was led by Wallace D. Fard (or Farad) Why was the Nation of Islam founded by a White guy Fard changed his last name to Muhammad and claimed to have made the pilgrimage to Mecca. Using the Bible, the Qur’an, and his own books, Fard taught that eventually Asians (non-Whites) and Whites would fight it out in the battle of Armageddon. Fard left the Nation after being arrested in 1933, and was succeeded by Elijah Muhammad (Elijah Poole, 1898–1975). Elijah Muhammad also wrote and helped to structure the Nation of Islam in its current form. The official history of the Nation of Islam includes the following description of the origin of Muhammad’s ministry:
For 3 ½ years He taught and trained the Honorable Elijah Muhammad night and day into the profound Secret Wisdom of the Reality of God, which included the hidden knowledge of the original people who were the first founders of civilization of our Planet and who had a full knowledge of the Universal Order of Things from the beginning of Divine Creation. (or Farad) in Detroit. Fard changed his last name to Muhammad and claimed to have made the pilgrimage to Mecca. Using the Bible, the Qur’an, and his own books, Fard taught that eventually Asians (non-Whites) and Whites would fight it out in the battle of Armageddon.
The role of the woman in Al-Islam as understood by western society is a most distorted view. It follows the logic of the Islamaphobia drama that is diseminated by the media out to the public. Al-Islam is the most misunderstood religion in the world, and it is mainly because people don't know a lot about it in the first place because all the media exposes them to is the bad folks in Islam. All societies have the same people in them to the exclusion of none of them. Preceeding is a few exegesis from the Quran that reflect what Allah demands of the man in regards to the women:
O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #19)
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #34)
They ask thy instruction concerning the women say: Allah doth instruct you about them: And (remember) what hath been rehearsed unto you in the Book, concerning the orphans of women to whom ye give not the portions prescribed, and yet whom ye desire to marry, as also concerning the children who are weak and oppressed: that ye stand firm for justice to orphans. There is not a good deed which ye do, but Allah is well-acquainted therewith. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #127)
Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #129)
Going back to the exchange between myself and Siebra Muhammad concerning the comment that I made about her dress, as I am sure that you are familiar with Muslim dress for the women in Islam, you will have to admit that she was out of dress. But my comment was more of a facetious swipe, because there is no compulsion to do anything in Islam that you do not feel comfortable in doing. But you also have to accept the territory which comes with Allah's command when He extols the women to cover themselves in modesty to be recognized as such. It is a respectful dress, and it shows that not only does the woman have respect, and regard for G_d, but she also has respect for herself.
In most Islamic communities, if a woman refuses to dress in the Muslim hijab, she is frowned upon. However, in the community of Muslims in association with Imam W. Deen Mohammed, though it is not respected, it is tolerated as long as their clothing covers them in a reasonable manner.
The woman's role is look upon as a very honorable role, and we are expected to raise our women to a very high status. Prophet Muhammad was reported to have said about the mother; "Civilization lies at the foot of the mother." For the Muslim man, this is not to be taken lightly. We are taught to respect and protect our women. We are not to put them up on a pedastal, and vice versa. In all actuality, in Al-Islam, according to the words of Allah (G_d) in the Quran, that he created the woman as equal to the man in every respect with the exception of physicality. Mentally, and otherwise, she is on the same footing as the man.
She is not to be held responsible for sharing in the paying of the bills unless she chooses to do so. Her wealth belongs to her exclusively, and evenso, the man is required to support he rout of his means. The woman is the children's first teacher, so Allah has charged her with the responsibility of the principle care of that child as such. In other words it is natural to assume that the mother is the one who is to nurture the child during it's formative years at least until 12 years old. This does not say that the father should not have a share in these duties.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) always helped his wife with the rearing of their children, he cooked for his family, cleaned, and did other household duties to help his wife. We are required to be compassionate with our families without regard to the opinions of most western jurists who believe that a man is "hen-pecked" if he does these things for his wife. Perhaps that is because they may not have a hen to peck. (smile)
Marriage is a mutual agreement of full cooperation if a marriage is to work. We are to run our households just like a business. Civilization actually begins at home, so it has to be run systematically just like a governmental branch. There has to be an organized system established. I would strongly recommend the above reading to learn more of the role of women in Al-Islam. Dr. Badawi is the one of the leading authorities on this subject, and a well respected scholar in the Islamic community.
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 1:54AM
A.B. Madyun
El Rukn connection In 1976 Jeff Fort, leader of Chicago's Black P Stone Nation, announced at his parole from prison in 1976 that he had converted to Islam. Moving to Milwaukee, Fort associated himself with the Moorish Science Temple of America. It is unclear whether he officially joined or was instead rejected by its members.[40]
In 1978, Fort returned to Chicago and changed the name of his gang to El Rukn ("the foundation" in Arabic), also known as "Circle Seven El Rukn Moorish Science Temple of America"[41] and the "Moorish Science Temple, El Rukn tribe".[42] Scholars are divided over the nature of the relationship, if any, between El Rukn and the Moorish Science Temple of America.[43] Fort reportedly hoped that an apparent affiliation with a religious organization would discourage law enforcement.[44]
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 1:56AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson
I agree with most of what you have stated here. There are a few tweeks, though. Elijah Muhammad did actually make Hajj in 1959 (year needs verification). That's nothing hard to believe. I myself made Hajj in 1989. This is probably an unbelievable accomplishment to some because of the unawareness that he did travel to Mecca without it being announced in the headlines of your daily local newspaper. So it was not a claim. It's an actual fact. Muslims are required to make Hajj at least once during their lifetime if they are financially able to. Mr. Muhammad did not teach us that though. He did not teach us Islam. He just introduced us to, and prepared us for the religion. He told us that it was not his job to teach us the religion. Instead, he said his job was only to clean us up. He then told us that there would be one who would come after him to teach us the religion, and that he would teach us from a new book. You probably missed it when I mentioned it on the other blog.
Also the media, and FBI's claim that Fard Muhammad was "white." He was a Pakistani who lived in Fiji before coming to America. He was appointed as the Imam right here in Oakland by Imam W. Deen Mohammed in 1979. So, he was the Imam at the Masjid (Mosque) of which I was a member right here in Oakland, California. He was rather fair skinned, but no where near a resemblence of a caucasian. But the fellow whose picture was shown in the newspaper who was of Welsh descent, and the man whom we then called Fard were different people. If you put their photographs side by side, unless you just wanted them to look alike, they are in no way identical. The Hon Elijah Muhammad challenged the FBI, and offered them $100,000 if they could prove that the two were one and the same person. They didn't take him up on the offer, nor did they offer disputation.
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 2:22AM
A.B. Madyun
"Truth is the only thing that most people do not believe." ~ Author unknown ~
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 2:25AM
A.B. Madyun
Irma, what did you think of Harry's performance? I waited until the end to talk to the son of man myself.
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 3:31AM
Steve Williams
Irma Robinson
"ME, SINCE "I" BELIEVE IN STOPING WHEN I AM AHEAD, I WILL NOW STOP...BECAUSE THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THE NOI THE LESS I BELIEVE A NOI EXIST THAT IS BEYOND A CONTINUOUS BATTLE GROUND FOR LEADERSHIP/ WHO BELIEVES WHAT, WHEN AND HOW LIKE A FORM OF 'SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND TEH TRUE NOI"(SMILE)"
Just a friendly reminder that the original NOI was disbanded in 1975...remember??? LOL
Thursday, May 2nd 2013 at 10:58AM
A.B. Madyun
Who disbanded the NOI in 1975?
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 3:26AM
Steve Williams
Warith Deen Muhammed.
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 3:27AM
Steve Williams
Irma Robinson...
"WILL THE REAL NOI STAND UP"? OR DO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE 'NOI' NOW AGREE ON ITS TEACHINGS, RULES, REGULATIONS AND I AM SOME HOW MISSING IT A-L-L?(SMILE)"
You're missing it all (well...you asked [SMILE]). To achieve an answer to your question, you'd probably have to ask someone who is a NOI member? That's a rather unbalanced question anyway, wouldn't you say? If no less than 360 denominations have 360 different views of what Christianity can agree on Christian doctrine, why would you focus on what Muslims can't agree on. If a husband and wife in a household agree on everything, something's phoney, don't you think? Asking what your education is on man, are men's minds cloned to the same ideas, or is it logical to agree that no two people think exactly alike? You're right about one thing...you definitely are missing something!!! (SMILE)
BTW...The NOI is a nationalistic organization. In the Quran, Allah (G_d) forbids nationalism (tribalism).
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 10:29PM
A.B. Madyun
"ME, SINCE "I" BELIEVE IN STOPING WHEN I AM AHEAD, I WILL NOW STOP...BECAUSE THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THE NOI THE LESS I BELIEVE A NOI EXIST THAT IS BEYOND A CONTINUOUS BATTLE GROUND FOR LEADERSHIP/ WHO BELIEVES WHAT, WHEN AND HOW LIKE A FORM OF 'SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND TEH TRUE NOI"(SMILE)"
Me? I would say you probably should quit while you're still behind (just joking). But really, Irma...either you don't know anymore about the NOI than you did when we got started with this conversation, or you are conveniently confused about the facts. Please do not allow me to confuse you with facts. I don't want you to do that. Whereas somehow you should have deciphered from this conversation that:
1) The old NOI is dead (documented). Steve Williams already told you who ended it (IWDM). 2) The religion of Islam does not have a theological connection to the philosophy of the NOI. 3) The Quran negates the possibility of a man being G_d. 4) The NOI teachings suggest that man (a man) is G_d. 5) The presently functioning NOI was created by Louis Farrakhan who defected from the original NOI.
...you didn't!!! (SMILE)
Somehow you don't wish to accept these points as facts even though you are analyzing it standing on the outside looking in. You have never experienced any of this, and from what I have seen from your conversation so far, you wouldn't care to (which is perfectly cool with me). But, really, I don't find myself criticizing religious groups without any kind of experienced knowledge of them. That's not very intelligent. Nor is it fairness to either side in the spirit of Shurah (mutual consultation).
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 10:51PM
A.B. Madyun
Differences Between the Nation of Islam and the Orthodox Muslim Church:
One great difference between members of the Nation of Islam and Orthodox Muslims is their perspective on the Qur'an. Orthodox Muslims believe that it was Allah's last revelation to mankind and that this occurred between the years of 610 and 632 CE. The Nation of Islam teachings on the subject are cantradictort. On the one end, they state that they believe in the Qur'an and the writings of all the prophets of God. On the other side, the members also state that they believe that they are the original nation, the writers of the Bible and Qur'an, and the creators of history. Another discrepancy is in the belief of the personification of Allah. The Nation of Islam professes that Allah appeared in the flesh as W.D. Fard. Orthodox Muslims believe that at no time did Allah appear in any physical form. Al Islam teaches that the Prophet Muhammad was the last of the messengers that Allah has sent to us, and the one for all to follow. The Nation of Islam believes that Elijah Muhammad was also a messenger. He was taught by God himself (W. D. Fard). Overall, the Orthodox Muslims believe in the equality of all. There is no one superior group over another. Hierachical structures are based on the ability to submit to the will of Allah. The Nation of Islam is more of a political movement hoping to find a solution for the plight of the African-American. Followers of the Nation of Islam spiritually believe that:
There is only one God whose name is Allah as well as a belief in Allah's prophets and the scriptures they brought to the people. They follow the Holy Quran and believe in the scriptures of all of the prophets of God. They also belive in the truth of the Bible but see that its truth has been skewed and misinterpreted. They believe in the Judgment, but that the first judgment will take place in the United states. In addition NOI followers see themselves as God's chosen people who can mentally be resurrected.
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Nation of Islam leaders, including Farrakhan's chief of staff, Leonard Muhammad, have insisted that the move toward unification is not new. Farrakhan has, for example, instituted the traditional Friday prayers, observed by millions of orthodox Muslims worldwide. The Nation of Islam also now observes Ramadan, a period of fasting.
Perhaps most important to orthodox Muslims, Leonard Muhammad says that all Nation of Islam followers now adhere to the Muslim creed: "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger."
That suggests Elijah Muhammad wouldn't be regarded as the final prophet by Nation of Islam members -- which Farrakhan confirmed during his two and a half hour speech on Sunday.
"I love prophet Mohammed," he said. "I know that he is the end of the prophets."
He said he simply chose to veer from W. Deen Mohammed's orthodox path out of fear that Elijah's legacy would be forgotten.
"I did it because I feared that the man I loved would be written out of history," said Farrakhan, who became a member of the Nation of Islam after hearing Elijah's Saviours' Day speech in 1955.
Today, the core membership of the Nation of Islam is between 50,000 to 100,000, according to conservative estimates by Lawrence Mamiya, a Vassar College expert on black American religions. He said the Muslim American Society has about 200,000 core members.
The overall following is thought to be much higher. Experts estimate there are about 4 million Muslims in America -- about one million of them black Muslims.
Farrakhan urged the mostly black audience to pursue a "moral, spiritual and political advantage" by attending the "Million Family March" scheduled for October in Washington that is modeled after the "Million Man March."
Throughout his speech, Farrakhan often included Christianity and Judaism in his calls for unity. But there were hints that he wasn't speaking about all Jews -- especially given remarks made to the crowd by Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a New York-based leader of the Neturei Karta International orthodox Jewish community.
Among other things, Weiss -- whose group opposes the current existence of the state of Israel -- told the crowd that the Holocaust was punishment on the Jewish people for allowing Israel to be established.
"They stole the Jewish name ...," Weiss said of Jews he would only call Zionists. "Please know that there is a difference between Judaism and Zionism."
Assem Fadel, a Muslim from Canada who is not a member of the Nation of Islam, applauded the distinction and said Farrakhan's speech provided him with "proof" that a Muslim unification was possible among U.S. groups.
But such remarks are likely to anger Jews, who are already seething over Farrakhan's past comments -- including calling Judaism a "gutter religion."
"It's hardly a way to pursue reconciliation," said Michael Kotzin, executive vice president of the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago.
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Islamic Society of North America, which represents hundreds of thousands of orthodox Muslims, mostly immigrants, has long held the Nation of Islam and its racial-separation teachings at arm's length. Past efforts toward unity between the two groups have ended in bitter disputes about whether Farrakhan and his followers were serious about traditional Islamic beliefs.
But several recent moves by Farrakhan toward orthodox Islamic practices--including the embrace of Ramadan fasting and the reinstatement of Friday prayer as the central religious gathering of the week--persuaded Syeed and other Islamic Society leaders to resume talks with Farrakhan.
The turning point came last summer, as Farrakhan recuperated from a life-threatening episode connected to prostate cancer treatments. Syeed and several members of the Islamic Society's board of directors traveled to Chicago to meet with Farrakhan in person.
"We prayed for him," Syeed said. "From his side, he assured us that he is very seriously trying to change. It was a confidence-building event."
Syeed will be joined on the Nation of Islam stage this weekend by several mainstream Islamic scholars recommended to Farrakhan by the Islamic Society of North America. Mohammed said that he plans to say a few words at Sunday's Saviour's Day ceremonies--an invitation he declined last year--but his primary purpose is to hear what Farrakhan will tell his followers.
Calls to the Nation of Islam were not immediately returned Thursday.
Farrakhan, who previously had prostate cancer, fell gravely ill more than a year ago. In April he was rushed to a Washington hospital for emergency surgery, apparently to repair damage done by cancer treatments. He disappeared from the public eye for nearly 10 months.
In December, in one of his first public appearances after his illness, Farrakhan announced that he was completely changed and would "spend the rest of my days working to uplift a fallen humanity, regardless of their color, their race or their creed."
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"(And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
This is the one biggest reason why no negro claiming to be a Muslim should ever accuse those of us who chose to follow the true path of Al-Islam as we were prepared (not taught) to do under the teachings of THEM, which was later carried out by his son, Imam W. Deen Mohammed (still don't understand?).
Imam Mohammed taught us well in translating from the Arabic language from which the Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad 1,400 years ago. It would not have made sense for Allah to reveal it to him in English, because he was not an Englishman. Thus we have logic...correct? The verse that you typed is from an English translation of an Arab interpreter who chose this to be G_d's meaning for this type of treatment of women. I am with you on recognizing that this sounds more like a promotion for abusive men. When we read of the life of the Prophet, and how he treated his wife, he never struck his wife, nor did he ever speak to her in a harsh, or abusive manner. But out of all the different translations for the meaning of the Arabic term, this interpreter chose "beating" as what He felt Allah meant when He spoke to the Prophet through the angel, Jibril (Gabriel). This was no doubt a carry over of perhaps his nationalistic customary mindset, as the Prophet had predicted that the Arabs would revert back to their paganistic customs within 6 months after his death. He was right on the money.
Another translator suggested that it meant to "beat" them with a feather which we all know sounds rather ridiculous. On the other hand, a little humor like that should settle a dispute between a husband and a wife quite handily in most cases. The more sane scholars chose the meaning to denote that the husband "beat" himself a path away from his wife. This may not satisfy your suspicion, but it certainly sounds more like a divine way of thinking to me. This is the reason why Allah has made it possible for his words in the Quran to be preserved all down through time being untampered with unlike all other scriptures (bible, torah, etc.). In this way, you are allowed to free your mind from the mind of the interpreter.
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:19PM
A.B. Madyun
On Savior's Day, the Nation of Islams annual gathering on February 26, Louis Farrakhan announced his acceptance of orthodox Islam
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson....
Perhaps most important to orthodox Muslims, Leonard Muhammad says that all Nation of Islam followers now adhere to the Muslim creed: "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger."
"That suggests Elijah Muhammad wouldn't be regarded as the final prophet by Nation of Islam members -- which Farrakhan confirmed during his two and a half hour speech on Sunday."
You have done an excellent job on your research. The above is very much on point, though it sounds very much like a regular tablois news report (no reflection on your good work at all).
I'm noticing in the report, Imam Mohammed's role in this whole scenario is heavily downplayed, because nothing is mentioned about the fact that both Farrakhan's, and Imam Mohammed's religious communities are the regular facilitators of the Savior's Day Convention. In addition, there is no mention in most secular news accounts that quote Farrakhan's accreditation of Imam Mohammedbeing the one influence that changed his position of the role of "so-called" orthodox Islam to both communities. This took many years in coming, but I'll repeat it once again. Minister Farrakhan told his followers in a speech that he did not have the solutions to their problems. He told them that Imam Mohammed had the answers, and that he (Imam Mohammed) was his Imam (leader by example).
Friday, May 3rd 2013 at 11:49PM
A.B. Madyun
THEM and son Akbar, Cairo, Egypt, 1959. This photo was taken just prior to their trip to Mecca for Hajj. Most participants will usually visit a North African country (Egypt, Morocco, or Libya, etc.), or Medina (The city of the Prophet). When I made my Hajj journey, we visited Medina [after completing Hajj]. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=49... Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 12:03AM
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Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 12:08AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Irma Robinson....
It wouldn't matter if you did call me a lie...just so long as you can prove it to be a lie, Irma. But on the issue of me not understanding you, I'm sure you'll live it down. I'm happy to know that I won't have to repeat it again. I wasn't going to anyway. I knew that if I did, that I would once again be prosecuted!! (SMILE)
Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 12:09AM
A.B. Madyun
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Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 12:10AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson...
No, David. Do you have a facebook account? If you do, you can view it with an account.
Irma.... I'm still a lil bit confused on Siebra's Dress Code.... And even more with the "beating" analysis.....
BUT, then again I am a Woman with a Brain.... A Woman who is the Primary Protector of my family....
A Woman whom has the "rights to be educated" And most importantly... I don't believe in N T ONE having the "right" to control another individual.... I iz a free woman of color.... But that's my story.... no puns intended...
mama , There are no words that can express how I feel You never kept a secret, always stayed real And I appreciate, all the love that you give If you can make it through the night there's a brighter day It's a struggle everyday, gotta roll on my plan is to show you that I understand You are appreciated mama
Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 1:17AM
DAVID JOHNSON
OK.... Then here's the one I want to submit!!
STILL I RISE By: Maya Angelou
You may write me down in history With your bitter, twisted lies, You may trod me in the very dirt But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Does my sassiness upset you? Why are you beset with gloom? 'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells Pumping in my living room.
Just like moons and like suns, With the certainty of tides, Just like hopes springing high, Still I'll rise.
Did you want to see me broken? Bowed head and lowered eyes? Shoulders falling down like teardrops. Weakened by my soulful cries.
Does my haughtiness offend you? Don't you take it awful hard 'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines Diggin' in my own back yard.
You may shoot me with your words, You may cut me with your eyes, You may kill me with your hatefulness, But still, like air, I'll rise.
Does my s*xiness upset you? Does it come as a surprise That I dance like I've got diamonds At the meeting of my thighs?
Out of the huts of history's shame I rise Up from a past that's rooted in pain I rise I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide, Welling and swelling I bear in the tide. Leaving behind nights of terror and fear I rise Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear I rise Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave, I am the dream and the hope of the slave. I rise I rise I rise.
Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 4:52AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
you all are nothing but a bunch of ignorant kids that likes to play all the time.
Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 5:06AM
Harry Watley
Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has, and it never will.
--Frederick Douglas, 1857
Saturday, May 4th 2013 at 12:27PM
A.B. Madyun
@Madyun... I think it's best that I remain neutral on certain issues ..... In other words... I gotta know when to hold em' and fold em'
and on a personal note.... no paster... preacher... prophet... teacher... ever told me that
I WAS A QUEEN a woman... BIRTHER.... NURTURER... YET STRONG INDEPENDENT AND TO BE HONORED
My grandfather began those lessons when I was old enough to know .... that as a female he expected more from me...
NOT... in religion, NOT in my grandfather's house, or any place for that matter...
will a man ever put his hands on me.... and that includes tickln with a feather..... so again.....
I only pointed out some things that you accused me of doing (quarnic views/dress codes/ ) and that was not the case...
In religion one is normally seen to follow a certain devotion that has G_d as the final object of worship. Some believe that it's that cut and dried, and that G_d has no interest in anything else that is associated with the way than man lives. It would serve man well to become curious to want to know certain things concerning life. Have you ever asked yourself, why am I here, or what is my purpose in life? What is the purpose of life? The answer may disappoint those of us who claim that we believe in G_d, yet are not accustomed to carrying it into practice. Such people are called lip professors.
As Jesus was quoted to have said; "...They praise me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me...? Though we should all understand that Jesus is not G_d, nor the son of G_d anymore than any of us could call ourselves his sons and daughters, Imam Mohammed once said that; "...I know that when the Christians say Jesus, they really mean G_d." This was not in opposition to the idea that Jesus is worshipped in the place of G_d, but rather that they are really sincere in their belief in G_d, but merely believe that He expressed through Jesus. This is not aside from the fact that to Christians, Jesus is part of a triumverate that makes up the concept of G_d. Even so, in all logic, this is a pure abomination, because all of us (Jesus inclusive) were created by one G_d alone who has no partners in His dominion.
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
"As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."
"This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. ~ (H.Q., 3:55-59)
But , anyway, getting to the point, any G_d fearing person who hopes the achieve the success in life that they seek, should not expect to achieve it without G_d's help (assistance). Why? Because whatever material, or tool, or object that we use to achieve that success would not be available (possible) to us if G_d had not provided it for you.
It is a monumental mistake to think that G_d has no concern over man's affairs. Anyone who has deluded themselves into thinking that they don't need G_d in their life's affairs display nothing short of a blatant form of arrogance. He does not need us, but we certainly do need Him to provide our needs for us. We should never think that we can get around G_d. Man can only fool himself into thinking that he can remotely create such a situation. Just remember this one thing...If we keep doing the same negative things, then we shouldn't hope to achieve anything other than the same negative results.
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. ~ (H.Q., 2:62)
G_d gives us warnings as to the results of willful disobedience:
But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment. ~ (H.Q., 4:14)
(On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the messenger will wish that the earth Were made one with them: But never will they hide a single fact from Allah! ~ (H.Q., 4:42)
Anyone who does not take G_d seriously is seriously fooling themselves without fully realizing it. Finally, the object of life is to serve G_d, the one who created you. He has power over our life, and our death. If you don't believe that, then try to avert death if you are really sincere in believing that you can call your own shots. Hard hearted, stiff necked, and rebellious people don't like this kind of talk. But the most high sugar coats nothing. A word to the wise (warning) should be sufficient.
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 10:40AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"...and on a personal note.... no paster... preacher... prophet... teacher... ever told me that
I WAS A QUEEN a woman... BIRTHER.... NURTURER... YET STRONG INDEPENDENT AND TO BE HONORED..."
I do hope that you don't get offended when I ask you this question. This is in no way meant to attempt assassination upon your character, but I was just wondering...did you have bad experiences with men? I'm asking this because I'm seeing this constant self referral of your queenship, and how much of a high role you play.
Abuse of women in western society is a huge problem, and I was just wondering if your references of the honorable role of womanhood has to do with this? I strongly agree with you that our women are queens, and very strong in their roles as mothers, nurturers, the first teachers of man. And I have shown in detail the woman's role in Islam, and how important the woman is. Still, you continue to lament these statements as though, somehow there is no feel of security of your belief in what either you or I are saying in this conversation. I do hope that I am not making you uncomfortable because you are used to being lied to by men? I am A.B. Madyun. I am not Robert, Bob, Pete, Charley, or whatever the guys name that may have broken your heart and made you bitter towards men?
If I'm wrong on my assumption, then I stand correction, and I hope that if I caused any wounds, that they heal quickly!!! (SMILE)
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 11:15AM
A.B. Madyun
oh he tried me! Madyun how did you get that analysis that (upon your character, but I was just wondering...did you have bad experiences with men? )
I was raised around men.... Men have been my teachers and most importantly men have taught me when to Recognize the Game
In fact, I love men... I'm raising two myself
Broken my heart... and bitter towards men.... (ya sound like Yakkie with that statement)
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave, I am the dream and the hope of the slave. I rise I rise I rise.
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 2:59PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David.... It's all good Big Bro! ..... Men see proud black women as angry black women hatin' on the brothas.... ((I was created as a gift for man... because of HIS loneliness.... ))
I THINK WOMAN JUST AS STRONG AS MEN ,,MENTIALLY ..LOOK AT ALL THE MOTHERS RAISING THE FAM ! ,,TIS CALLED MOTHER EARTH ,NOT MAN /FATHER EARTH ! WE ALL NEED TO KNOW HOW TO STAY IN OUR LANE !
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 4:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
IF IT WAS NOT FOR MY WIFE I WOULD HAVE NO FAMILY !!!
SHE IS THE NURTURER OF THE FAMILY !
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 4:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
awww.... Big Brother... I know... you always acknowledge your wife.... She keeps the family together!! The African American family has an almost unconscious thought That Women and Men's Roles are always interchanging....
I remember times my dad had to play baby sitter while my mom worked at night.... There was no set rules.. My mother had the better job and more stable income...
Of course, my dad had the hardest time taming my hair... other than that... it was all good...
........ Madyun has exchanged in a discussion with me... and I've explained where my ideologies come from and yet... he states me (( I do hope that I am not making you uncomfortable because you are used to being lied to by men? I am A.B. Madyun. I am not Robert, Bob, Pete, Charley, or whatever the guys name that may have broken your heart and made you bitter towards men? ))
I'm re=reading over my posted comments and I can not figure out ... used to being lied to by men? and the guys whom may have broken my heart..... that makes me bitter towards men?
What statement have I made that sounds like I am bashing men...
I simply stated my self worth (not defined by a man) which was branded in me... since my grandfather learned that "it's a girl"
Becuase I do not believe that women are to be abused by men....
yeah! Madyun stay in your lane... Becuase I believe it is you .... trying too intimidate this woman... and one thing for sure,...
She's too full of herself.... she doesn't back down from "from a man.... nor her beliefs"
"...What statement have I made that sounds like I am bashing men..."
As a matter of fact, None! Who's saying that you are bashing men? I'm just curious that you put so much accent on womanhood.
"Becuase I do not believe that women are to be abused by men...." "...yeah! Madyun stay in your lane... Becuase I believe it is you .... trying too intimidate this woman... and one thing for sure, She's too full of herself.... she doesn't back down from "from a man.... nor her beliefs" ..."
It sounds to me like I'm so-called out of my lane because I ask an honest question about the issues you raise so strongly about women as though I'm the person who brought up the subject. Last time I looked, the subject of the blog forum (which was started by David) asks if there is an opinion as to why Wallace Mohammed is termed a sellout, and not Malcolm as well. That's the lane I'm in. What about you? I don't see anything in there about women...did you? I mean...I don't know...maybe I might have overlooked something? (SMILE)
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 7:47PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
I can also assure you that no one is trying to get you to abandon your beliefs, just so long as you stay in your lane with them, and keep them away from mine. Not trying to intimidate you either. Are you intimidated? Hmmmm!!!! A strong woman like you that is just welling with all that confidence (and anger)... (SMILE)
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 7:52PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun... I am a Woman... Just like Men place accent on manhood; EQUALLY I do the Same... Just Like You Have No Issues about Women WHOM doesn't cover themselves.... (smile) Ok, again... I Have no issues against MEN... I love men.... but having respect for all men.... is another story.
And you my brotha started the insignificant non topic blog discussions on "beating women" that ain't got nuttn to do with Brotha Malcolm..... and about "fooling a Muslim"....
Let's not go there....
And Im going to refrain from resorting to the use of Exclamation Points and Capital Letters....ey
Mr. Madyun must like you since he is into your private life now. He has an undercover approach.All men have different ways of approaching a female.
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 8:54PM
Harry Watley
''new religion ''private life now He has an undercover approach.All men have different ways of approaching a female. Harry Watley
now harry DID god tell you that this morning or are you jealous and trying to block /hate on
A.B. Madyun ,,did he bust your bubble Harry and expose your for the man that you are ,,,see you and this ''son of man'' need to find a place in ''LIFE ''! ''LIFE'' ,,,,,,IS NOT A RELIGION !
HARRY ,your fired !
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 9:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson
"...A.B. Madyun ,,did he bust your bubble Harry and expose your for the man that you are ,,,see you and this ''son of man'' need to find a place in ''LIFE ''! ''LIFE'' ,,,,,,IS NOT A RELIGION !..."
You are right, David. Life is not a religion. It's the other way around...religion is how you live your life. How you live your life determines how you fulfill your purpose in life, and that is to serve G_d. To approach life in a self serving manner is fruitless in the end. (SMILE)
"Madyun.... I would consider you a Challenge.... and I live for a Challenge.. .... However Intimidation ..... NEVER...... Yet could it be that my Sassiness... taunts you as well to a challenge... (laught - out- loud)"
What kind of challenge...A wrestling match? Don't hold your breath!!! ROFLMAO CHUCKLE!!!
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 9:32PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
Sassiness!!! LOL
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 9:33PM
A.B. Madyun
oh great David... Harry ....
oh hold up.... LMAO ((,,,see you and this ''son of man'' need to find a place in ''LIFE ''!))
"...And you my brotha started the insignificant non topic blog discussions on "beating women" that ain't got nuttn to do with Brotha Malcolm..... and about "fooling a Muslim".... Let's not go there...."
BELOW ARE YOU AND IRMA'S PERSONAL COMMENTS DATED AND DOCUMENTED EXACTLY AS THEY APPEAR IN THIS THREAD:
...AND, WHY DOES SOMETHING I JUST READ MADE ME THINK OF SLAVERY...
A GOOD PRICE HAS BEEN PAID FOR YOU TO HAVE THE GREAT PRIVLAGE OF HAVING THIS FEMALE BUT IF SHE DISPLEASES YOU YOU HAVE THE 'CREATORS' BLSSINGS TOBEAT HER A 'LITTLE'...NOW JUST A LITTLE BECAUSE REMEMBER IF YOU DO TOOMCUH HARM SHE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO YOURH OUSE WORK FOR FREE AND EITHER YOU WILL HAVE TO DOIT OR PAY SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU!!!!...D-U-H...
OH WELL...THAT'S LIFE SOME CHOOSE AS THE WAY TO BE THE BEST PERSON THEY CAN BE'...DOING SOMEONE ELSES BIDDINGS EVEN A 'CREATOR' S NAME NO MATTER THE LABEL FO RME TO WELCOM ABUSE MENAAL/ PHYSICAL...
I REFUSE TO DO AT MY OWN EXPENCE AS I WILL NOT OBEY BLINDLY, PERIOD AS ONLY "I" KNOW WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY, SAFE AND SECURE NO MATTER WHAT NAME IT, MAN, WOMAN, CHILD, PERSON, PLACE, THING IT COMES UNDER HE NAME OF. (S-M-I-L-E) Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 8:50PM Irma Robinson
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.........................(And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). ....................................................................................
¿¿¿¿what the frazzle?????????.... ok.... you know what...
Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 7:46PM Cynthia Merrill Artis
And let me say. ..irma isnt a going to back down... you have awaken the sleeping dragon.... Just allow me to offer a calming exchange of reason.... Correct me if I am wrong .... as a muslim man you regard certain ideas when it comes to women and their roles in your constructual view... I used to refer to Irma as the Angela davis of bia... Very strongwilled.... outspoken and direct to the point! Also I think I can speak for the majority of Our clique.... 70+ years does allow for certain degree of respect.... quite naturally I find that if she interjects a comment or critique.... tAke it an just wait most often times ON Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 2:05PM Cynthia Merrill Artis
..."I" WILL NOW LEAVE YOU IN PEACE AND WHEN YU CAN 'PROVE' YU HAVE A RELIGION SO POWERFUL TO GET HERE BY YOUR CREATOR AND NOT TH ELOWLY FEMALE...I SHALL BE BACK AND SHUT UP ABOUT THE MIGHTY FEMALE SPECIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)...HELL I WILL EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THIS POWER OF HERS SI A-B-O-S-O-L-U-T AND LOGIOC HAS A BAN ON THEWORD ABOSOLUT. (ROTFL)(S-M-I-L-E) Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 8:55PM Irma Robinson
FACTS: EGYPT FOR RECOGNIZING STUDY OR THE STARS COULD CAUSE FARMINGS INT O TOWNS THEN KINGDOME...THE MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IN THE STARS (AISA AND NAVATION BY STARS) AND FROM BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL THE PLANET TO OUR NOW BEING TO TRAVEL TO OTHER PLANETS...
OOPS SOME RELIGIONS TEACHS T ONOT BELIEVE INMAN HAVING ANY THING TO DO WITHIT...AND, YES WHY I AM BIASED TOWERDS WOMEN UNTIL WE FIND ANOTEHR WAY TO GET HERE WITHOUT HER BODY.LOL!!! (SMILE) Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 8:49PM Irma Robinson
Irma... Women's Rights.... in a world of male dominance....
you know you made a statement... Women whom chose to not have children...
My younger cousin... in her mid 40's... doesn't have children and says she will not go through the burden of one day possibly having to be a single parent...
I told her that in her old age, she is going to worry about not having a child to care for her ...
But she says no.... I often think... What if I had not decided to have children... however (my thoughts were not HIS thoughts)... But I absolutely love my sons and I even through the good the bad and the ugly... especially with them being 15 years apart....
I can't fantom not having the whole experience...
YES... everybody 15 years apart... and I don't look a day over 40!!! AWE$SOME DNA!!
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 7:01PM Cynthia Merrill Artis
Irma... I for one can agree with you on that note.... ((THE FEMAL IS NOT JUST A s*x OBJECT, SERVANT OR DEPENDANT ON MAN))
I grew up during the Awakening of the Woman/Female/Mother/Daughter... And I know this just doesn't sit well with some men... BUT I AM....
I think my grandfather just expected "greatness" from all of his children and grandchildren.. He taught me how to change a tire at 14... and change my oil... He said that he never wanted me to be in a situation "wherein" I could not take care of myself. Growing up with older male cousins and brothers... They taught me to fight... And I had better not get my butt kicked...
I can be as feminin as I want to be And can handle "my household and children" with a ironed fist and gentle stroke...
OK...
For the past few days... I have just been feeling like.... whew!!
Graduation is coming up in the Spring 2014. I'm hoping that my oldest will be getting married and I'm just feeling like my cycle is almost complete.... I'm so happy ... yet still sense that something is still "out there" and I don't know what it is....
I'm just having my humbling experience... I'm thankful and just exhausted at the same time...
Have you ever had that feeling?
Tuesday, April 30th 2013 at 4:42PM Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Now...once again...would you like to repeat what you said about "who" started discussing women's beating issues...PARDON ME???? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!! WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER!!!! NOT!!!! LOL
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 10:28PM
A.B. Madyun
huummm.." insults to be little in an effort to bring down to their level"
Madyun did I type/speak out of place when I said ......... tread lightly.... lol .... above comment? Do you think I am challenging your words?
I'm sure that you know exactly that comment set you off....
..... tread lightly.... lol and let me say, I am sorry .... for advising a Muslim Man...
I forgot..... (how many times had Jamal told me that)
CHECK YOUR OWN STATEMENTS AND LOOK AT THE TIME STAMP..... You started the "spanking" ooops "beating them lightly"....
how does one beat anything lightly?? ===========================
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
(H.Q., An-Nisaa, 4:34)
You make the separation between the people, and the religion. They are not the same. How the Arabs treat their women is not even remotely relative to Al-Islam. This is not an Arab religion. It is the nature of humanity. It is called the 'Deen al-fitrah (the natural, and perfect way in which Allah designed all things in His creation). Muhammad was of the Arab people. It could have been anyone...an African, a Chnese...anyone. Something of note: Prophet Muhammad told Bilal, an Abyssinian slave who was freed from his master by Abu Bakr Siddiq, and was the first mueddhin of the faith (caller to prayer) for Muslims all over the world...the Prophet told him that he saw Bilal's footsteps ahead of his own leading into the Jannah (paradise) because of his piety to Allah. Wednesday, May 1st 2013 at 7:38PM A.B. Madyun
NOT JAMEL !
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 11:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Oh Madyun.... I'm all Confidence...
I'll admit... you got to me for a split second
But then again Powell Robert Powell words of logic ...always reminds me... this is the cyber world and like we don't know each other.... so what the hay.... lets just keep up with the INSULTS .....
yep... at first he liked me.... but i was too challenging... outspoken - cyberlistically that is -
then he started talking about his views - three wives and how I was doomed in the state of Florida after the oil spill.. then he started deleting my comments and posting blogs about christians...
Remember!! And he got mad at me because I wouldn't say something to you about that blog you had about Muslims... and you know what happened.... now that was traumatizing!! I felt like I was being stoned David....
A black Women has strength that amazes me. She can smiles when she feels like screaming. She is happy and loves when she is afraid her love is unconditional. She knows she is worth praise in her personality in every shape as a mother, a friend, a sister, a daughter, a teacher, a wife..ask me I know because I have the best wife in the world ,a strong man needs a good woman ! the have the;; strength to lift EACH other UP
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 11:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
NO WORRIES MOM ,SIS ,,,,,,,I GOT YOUR BACK !
Sunday, May 5th 2013 at 11:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hey A.B. Madyoung, how do you pronounce G_d?
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:20AM
Steve Williams
Special ops time.
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:24AM
Steve Williams
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"...Oh Madyun.... I'm all Confidence... I'll admit... you got to me for a split second But then again Powell Robert Powell words of logic ...always reminds me... this is the cyber world and like we don't know each other.... so what the hay.... lets just keep up with the INSULTS ....."
yep... at first he liked me.... but i was too challenging... outspoken - cyberlistically that is -
then he started talking about his views - three wives and how I was doomed in the state of Florida after the oil spill.. then he started deleting my comments and posting blogs about christians...
"...Remember!! And he got mad at me because I wouldn't say something to you about that blog you had about Muslims... and you know what happened.... now that was traumatizing!! I felt like I was being stoned David...."
Oh oh!!! Somebody's pushed out of shape once again. I still like you. You're my friend. But you grossly overrate yourself as being too challenging. What is the challenge? Your views, as you admit, are not based on anything solid. As you said (your own words) they are all opinions. Now that's not very challenging. Opinions are too weak an argument to base anything upon. And if you're basing what you say on what Steve has provided so far, he's no more than an instigator like shaytan who whispers and then withdraws like a coward after his whisper. He wants to know how we pronounce G_d. We don't pronounce it as "DOG" spelled backwards. We call Him Allah (The one deity). Is this really the way we are to show respect for our maker...by calling Him a "DOG" in reverse?" Steve is weak. It looks as though he's trying to validate his weak arguments on the fact that it appears in his profile picture that he has a black woman. When I first looked at hi picture I thought he was a woman. My advice to you all is to produce some more valid arguments that you can back up with something like a thing that's similar to that thing downstairs in the back of the body that you dump all your waste out of.
i, follow BIA Preamble to Shatter --- Stereotypes and misconceptions......
"Black In America" is more than just a phrase to describe African Americans in the United States. It's a movement that creates awareness and encourages dialogue about relevant issues. The phrase was originally coined by CNN when they produced several documentary-style "Black In America" special reports. The reports brought national attention to issues concerning Black families, men, and women. Since then, several groups and organizations have launched various initiatives to support the cause.
dr.Artis---- you write "steve and a 'blackWoman'"
why do you NOT say "steve and a woman"
OR
" 'whiteSteve' and a 'blackIrma'"
i, robertPowell, believe colorIdentification is INSULTING to INTELLIGENCE
i, believe,-what the Creator of Adaam(as) says....... ______________________
Sûrat AnNisâ’ (The Women) IV In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, Adaam, and from him He created his wife Hawwâ (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allâah through Whom you have mutual rights, and do not cut the relations of Family. Surely, Allâah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.
148. Allâah does not like that evil should be uttered in public except by he who has been wronged. Allâah is Ever All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Madyun.... Again... I am not naive ... to think that Racisim does not plaque African Americans... Jim Crow, Reconstruction, Black Power movement....
Come on....
I never accused you of being a womanizer either...
and Steve attacking (Steve seems to feel pretty comfortable in joining in with you black women attacking your black man with the most hot button subject among dissatisfied black women...the black man. ) ..... No, I don't see it as him attacking...
So are you saying your dialog stops with me?
I have picked up some thoughtful provoking comments, that I didn't think of...
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 10:06AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
Nor do I expect you to see it that way, and your implications outweigh your denials, so never feel that I am naive, either.
"...So are you saying your dialog stops with me?..."
No...you're saying it...or should I say implying. You're an expert implyer. (SMILE)
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 10:14AM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"...I never accused you of being a womanizer either... "
I never said me. See...you've still continued to embrace the false impression that this is about me. No...you guys have a problem with men, and religion (particularly the religion of Islam, a religion that you have obviously done zero research). (Should I have said certain men)? (SMILE)
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 10:19AM
A.B. Madyun
thanks Madyun...
You're alright wit me....
even though you are a bit "old fashioned" ....
and you are most correct.... I only offer opinions... not challenges...
I've been told that I'm good at that.... (You're an expert implyer)
and I am not "all too" familiar with Islam... I told you that... I can't speak against your religion because... as you said... I never done research ...
My experience with Muslim men is very limited.... However the few that I have encountered ... wasn't under favorable circumstances... and unfortunately ... these few men ... gave me the inclination to run.... run very very far....
"My experience with Muslim men is very limited.... However the few that I have encountered ... wasn't under favorable circumstances... and unfortunately ... these few men ... gave me the inclination to run.... run very very far.... " I'm the same way regarding Military Men.... "
Chuckle!!! I know that's right! And I'm guessing that this is where the confusion comes in as to why so many different understandings about this religion. You are very wise for not being judgmental too. Do you remember when I mentioned this to you earlier? Though it is true that there are all kinds of different interpretations for this religion, it's no different than from the various interpretations that people have for any of the other ones. People think differently, which is a natural phenomenon, so nobody is going to see anything in the same light. Sometimes it's a matter of semantics. Other times it most likely has to do with what someone is seeking out of their favorite personalities because they have a certain respect for them. And that also leads some into satisfying their own personal ulterior motives. I have met Muslims who have the strangest views of this religion, yet it is so simple to follow without interpreting anything. Even worse, there are some African Americans who converted under immigrants...namely Arabs. This because they have duped themselves into believing that no one would know this religion better than the Arabs. This is not to say that there aren't any excellent Arab scholars available. But, for the African American, it is imperative for us to learn this religion based on how it can best relate to our culture, because it was not designed for us to lose it. And who can better teach it to us than someone who has demonstrated proper scholarship in this deen from among our own...namely, Imam W. Deen Mohammed, son of the late Hon Elijah Muhammad. When an African American follows behind an Arab, the next thing you know he's looking like one. Most, if not all the Arabs have mixed their nationalistic cultures into the religion (not to exclude how they treat their women in the name of Islam), and that's where the problem lies. If we were teaching it to them, we wouldn't teach them that in order to be a Muslim, you have to look, and act like us. How you look, or specifically, how you dress is not what makes a Muslim. The best dress, according to what Allah tells us in the Qur'an, is (the rament of) righteousness of character.
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 12:38PM
A.B. Madyun
Yes... you are correct...
One Muslim man used verbal insults to "put women" in their places (yes on this forum) and the Other muslm felt that "his woman" was his property - so he used physical violence to keep his woman in check...
And another Muslim whom believed that women were nothing more than just - maids, servants, at the wayside waiting for his orders, demands, expectations.... And yes, that's the first lesson I learned about how a muslim woman (wife) roles are driven by man's wants and needs - never mind her wants and desires...
Yep!!! You got all kinds in every walk of life bar none!!! (SMILE)
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 1:51PM
A.B. Madyun
0311 USMC YEP THATS ME ! Military ????
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 2:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Not you.. you're my brother nutt.... Although the USMC... HoooRah does get ya hyped all up
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 2:30PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Thanks A.B. Madyun, for the clarification. You're not interested in talking to the men.
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 2:53PM
Steve Williams
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159)
Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein; but those of the sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe!
( سورة هود , Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #17)
But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #37)
But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself.
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #53)
So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) Allah's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.
Turn ye back in repentance to Him, and fear Him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join gods with Allah,-
Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
( سورة الروم , Ar-Room, Chapter #'s 30:30-32)
This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #3)
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:13PM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
"...Thanks A.B. Madyun, for the clarification. You're not interested in talking to the men..."
What clarification, Steve...of what I thought about you? What's the matter, Steve? Are you jealous? If that were the case, I don't suppose I would have to wonder where that question came from. If I were you I would be very careful of the questions I ask in that area. I wouldn't want to arouse anyone unnecessary suspicions on my gender preferences. I'm certainly glad that we aren't linked together as acquaintances on any of this thread. You would embarrass me, man!!
But to deal with your assumption, think what you will. Remember, you and Irma are doing all the talking for me because it seems that you both have consorted, and agreed that I cannot talk for myself. I can assure you that I don't need anyone to represent my thoughts on this forum unless you are mind readers. Are you guys mind readers? Next y'all will have reached up there in the heights with Harry. I wouldn't go there if I were you. It ain't too healthy up there. LOL
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:25PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson...
"...@STEVE,A.B. IS NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING WITH MALES OR FEMALES...HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN PROVING HE IS LIMITED TO LISTENING TO HIS SELF TALK AT AND MAKE UP ID FOR OTHERS...LIKE I AM SURE HE HAS MADER UP HIS MIND THAT DISPITE ROBERT BY BLOOD IS WITHE THAT I LIE DISPITE MY QUOTING ROBERT DIRECT!!!BUT. AGAIN THE NDB'S DIFINITION OF BEING IN HELL!!!.. "
Darn, Irma...dad blame it!!! There you go again coming up with all these deliriums of delusion about me elevating my ego. Now, now!!! Stop worrying about my ego, which in my religion, we call it the jinn. I have already tamed my to be submissive, so that it won't get out of control. That's why I have to keep reminding you that it ain't about me. If you just want to make it about me, maybe Harry was right...maybe you do like me. Well...Irma, I'm flattered, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have ta' break it to ya' gently. Ya' see...I'm already spoken fo'...thank you very much!!!! (SMILE) LOL
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:34PM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
Just wanted to remind you, because you probably hadn't even noticed it (dang my hide), but it is mostly women doing most of the commenting on this blog. I thought you had already noticed that!!! Well, it can happen to the best of us!!! LOL
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:36PM
A.B. Madyun
Now think about our history here in America, and then ask yourself, symbolically, who is Pharoah, who was set with hard tasks and punishments, whose sons were slaughtered, why would G_d put anyone through such a trial, and finally, who are the women in focus here? This is not rocket science. Think it over...
Slave Master...Pharoah Enslaved African/Black Female (slave masters - raped and abused their slave women - but spared them and sold off their husbands and sons....
GOD didn't do this evilness "slavery" it was man's greed and disrespect towards anything and anyone for their own purpose...
Am I correct....??
Does this have anything to do with Steve?
Madyun... Steve isn't at all whom or what you may think (because it's only been a short time - you still don't know him... you're going off your impression)
I can say this .... Steve has come to my defense, on this forum numerous times, to support me when my so called brothers on this forum attacked my views.... He's just "brotherly" like that... and he is a great researcher of information....
As I would defend you (on some issues) i have to defend Brotha Steve... Plus he's really insightful for me when it comes down to fashion ....
A.B. are we having a dialog now or was that a onetime exception?
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 3:42PM
Steve Williams
@Irma.. I don't exactly know... ( symbolically, who is Pharoah, who was set with hard tasks and punishments, whose sons were slaughtered, why would G_d put anyone through such a trial, and finally, who are the women in focus here?)... But I am curious...
And Irma it's ok.. I understand the powers of the female...Eve and Mother Nature....
"Steve is weak. It looks as though he's trying to validate his weak arguments on the fact that it appears in his profile picture that he has a black woman."
A.B. Madyun is oblivious of whom he has disrespected, and how.
Not surprised, Steve. Thanks for the tip. Now let me see...can I cash that in for some currency??? Hmmmm!!!! Guess I'll have to wait and see. Sounds like some real valuable info, Steve. Still wondering why you think that two can't play the disrespect game. You jumped into this without being invited anyways. If you're trying too tell me that Irma's your wife, I'm cool with that too. I wasn't addressing the woman (unless it was Irma). I was addressing you. Have you forgotten who you are? Poor guy!!! You'll figure it out one day. Just keep living!! But never be a fool enough to think that you can come in a conversation that had nothing to do with you, nobody was talking to you (at least I wasn't), and then insult them without a cause. If one of these ladies are your wife, that's your fault for being weak enough to allow her to engage in that kind of discourse in the first place. Yes...I said it, and I'll say it again...you're a weak little slithering snake. LOL
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 8:10PM
A.B. Madyun
Madyun.. please.... just read my answer and tell me if Im right...
Steve... uuummm ... uumm heck I don't know right now... Let me think...
Madyun... What did steve write that was offensive?
Hey ALL!!! I got my GRADES..... 2B's and 1A!!! Hallelujah!!!
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 9:10PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
"@Irma.. I don't exactly know... ( symbolically, who is Pharoah, who was set with hard tasks and punishments, whose sons were slaughtered, why would G_d put anyone through such a trial, and finally, who are the women in focus here?)... But I am curious...
And Irma it's ok.. I understand the powers of the female...Eve and Mother Nature....
oh well.... "
This tells me that either you are in denial, or you don't know your own history. I prefer the former. Look, Cynthia. You're my friend. Oh, lawd. I know you're no tryin' to tell me that you didn't know that our forefathers were brought here as shackled slaves. Maybe that part of our history doesn't carry any relevance for you. I realize that this part of our history is too unpleasant for a lot of our people to stomach, so they go into denial. Can you tell me the reason why, or am I reading you wrong? Please tell me I'm wrong, Cynthia!!! Just kiddin'. You already answered it earlier. You said:
"@Irma.. I don't exactly know... ( symbolically, who is Pharoah, who was set with hard tasks and punishments, whose sons were slaughtered, why would G_d put anyone through such a trial, and finally, who are the women in focus here?)... But I am curious..."
Slave Master...Pharoah Enslaved African/Black Female (slave masters - raped and abused their slave women - but spared them and sold off their husbands and sons....
GOD didn't do this evilness "slavery" it was man's greed and disrespect towards anything and anyone for their own purpose...
Am I correct....??
Does this have anything to do with Steve?
Madyun... Steve isn't at all whom or what you may think (because it's only been a short time - you still don't know him... you're going off your impression)
I can say this .... Steve has come to my defense, on this forum numerous times, to support me when my so called brothers on this forum attacked my views.... He's just "brotherly" like that... and he is a great researcher of information....
As I would defend you (on some issues) i have to defend Brotha Steve... Plus he's really insightful for me when it comes down to fashion ...."
What I'm trying to figure out, and maybe you can answer it for me, why do you think that Steve has anything to do with this. I am trying hard to get through to you guys of the reason for why the NOI was necessary for a people who experienced the suffering that we, and in particular, our forefathers had to endure. I don't recall mentioning Steve's name in any of this. Why all the paranoia? (SMILE)
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 9:18PM
A.B. Madyun
Congratulations Cynthia! Do you get a break for a while now?
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 9:25PM
Steve Williams
Irma Robinson...
Who are the Muslims that you know at the Masjid (Mosque) you attended in Sacramento, and where is it located?
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 9:27PM
A.B. Madyun
@Irma... Dr. Baldwin.... Kobi KK Kambon... YES... to hear him speak... he was my Intro to Psychology Instructor and my classes Guest Lecturing Professor in Black Psychology.... I learned so much in that class... Hey that's the class I got an A in!! I was just in awww I mean the lectures ... especially his special area African American Personality and Intelligence.... I'm gonna take another African Studies Class.... thanks again Irma...
you all will get to see my graduation... if I walk (my son will video or take pictures)... YOU KNOW that I will share that occassion with all of you... Even Harry... He's been my No. 1 Star!!!
I like A.B. Madyun's Teachings... I don't agree with some - ya no~: ..... but I understand your feelings (it's a womanhood thang) and just remember - as I recall the beginnings of you and your son cyber mom/son relationship was shaky... even though it took two years... no one can tell....
yeah.....
yep... remember.... sssshhh ok... no nup... just S-M-I-L-E-S
Have I told you Irma, how well purple suits you?
Monday, May 6th 2013 at 11:43PM
Steve Williams
Your picture did not bring pain... what are you talking about... HOPEFULLY one day we all will meet and just ... take a group picture and we all use it as our profile pics ☺☺
Remember my very first "introduction to BIA" and if Im not mistake it was one of Jamal's crazy Blogs ... it took me awhile to familiarize myself with the different personalities... but after awhile... We each can detect each others mannerism (verbal/typing)... and I think (although it's a social site... we can't personally see each other... and think you and Steve meet after social networking.... )
Shoes, always the shoes... I'd love to be the fly on the wall while you and Busy Bee shoe shop...
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 12:41AM
Steve Williams
and you know... I love the shoes... Steve well you better make sure you're resting on that wall.... Because I love... Nail Polish .... Shoes .... HandBags --..... Shoes ..... I love Gadgets... Cell Phones, LapTop Computers, Navigation Systems... stuff like that... Time just seems to zoom by so fast...
Hey, I didn't bargain for all that!
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 1:27AM
Steve Williams
Nail polish and handbags are cool. Gadgets tend to put me to sleep.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 1:32AM
Steve Williams
Irma Robinson...
I am going to leave you with this. You are damaged goods. You seem to have been let down by black men, or a certain black man, and just can't get over it. You are so horribly judgmental because you hate it when you run across a real man. You don't see the good in any black man. You only see what caused your pain, so all black (African American) men are alike to you. I hope that you get over your pain one day, but at 70, it may already be too late. I had a sister that was just like you. That's why it is so easy for me to recognize your problem. I will pray for your recovery...honest!!!!
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:15AM
A.B. Madyun
LOL Madyun. I'll leave you to Irma's mercy.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:28AM
Steve Williams
Don't hold your breath.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:44AM
Steve Williams
ORIGINAL SUBJECT-----Al HajAbdul Maleek AsShabazz AND 'sellOUT'
while he was STILL a 'blackWhite' paganChristian Racist malcolm--- he said; "housen*gga or fieldn*gga"?
look at her picture above, she IS the oldest negroStereotype at BIA .....the housen*gga ----SELL OUT -----just glad to be in the house; 'suriviving' WITH the master of CIVILITER MORTUUS..........
that is all she ever wanted ----herDNA is the viralDNA representation of slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964)..
So! Still slithering around with your weak backbone? You are a slimy little sneeky weak coward! Anybody who's willing to defend wrong, who will instigate and add to a wound that's already open, especially when he's minding other people's business and not his own, is lower than a dog! You're a woman with no honor inside a man's body! I pity you! SMH
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 11:16AM
A.B. Madyun
Oh oh!!! There's that hot button word again...WOMAN! I know I've pressed some buttons now...especially with all this insecurities floating around! Woops!!! (SMILE)
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 11:26AM
A.B. Madyun
Hello Steve,
Have you notice that Mr. Richard Kilgel is no longer with us Black Americans? All over this country for the past 500 years Black Americans have been trying to get ourselves together.
I once told you that I and on other Black American should have problems out of you because you don’t belong among us at out infant state.
I have accused you of the same things that Mr. Madyun and Jamal Abraham have accused of and that is causing division among us and inciting Cynthia, Irma and David Johnson to fight against each other.
Abolitionism was a movement to end slavery, whether formal or informal. In Western Europe and the Americas, abolitionism was a historical movement to end the African slave trade and set slaves free. The Spanish government enacted the first European law abolishing colonial slavery in 1542, although this law was not widely enforced. Later, in the 17th century, English Quakers and evangelical religious groups condemned slavery (by then applied mostly to Africans) as un-Christian; in the 18th century, abolition was part of the message of the First Great Awakening in the Thirteen Colonies; and in the same period, rationalist thinkers of the Enlightenment criticized it for violating the rights of man. The Somersett's case in 1772, which emancipated a slave in England, helped launch the British movement to abolish slavery. Though anti-slavery sentiments were widespread by the late 18th century, the colonies and emerging nations that used slave labor continued to do so: French and English territories in the West Indies, South America, and the South of the United States.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 12:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David...why do you give this man any attention. He doesn't deserve any. Anybody on thorazine (or is it demeral) does not merit comment. The man is a joke waiting to get cracked!!! LOL
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:11PM
A.B. Madyun
He's lookin' for a stupid n*gga', not an intelligent African American. Do yourself a big favor. You are more intelligent than that. Leave that sucka' be!!! LOL
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:13PM
A.B. Madyun
This is for the seeker of knowledge only. If you are not a seeker of valuable knowledge, don't even bother to watch this video:
STEVE IS A cyber friend i have known for the last 3 yrs just like Harry ,,I dont like the race card play,, keeping my foot in Harry ass and waking him up to reality IS part of what I do here at BIA !
Where is a race card been played, David? Am I playing the race card, or is everyone else...which one? I understand your feeling to want to keep allegiance to a friend, but he is wrong, I don't care if he's green, he's still wrong. What does race have to do with this, and why is everyone so quick to defend his race where no one on this blog can prove to me that anything attacks this man's race. All someone has to do is mention another person's race, and that's supposed to mean that I'm attacking his race! No...I'm attacking his character! It's up to you to make the separation, because it is not invisible! Like I said before, David...you are more intelligent than that!! But I don't want you to feel that I'm trying to tell you what to do. You should already know. On the other hand, I ain't mad at you for wanting to kick Harry's a@# in his behind. So if you want to keep kicking him, right on brother! But as far as Steve goes, like you feel that your cyber friends need defending for something that he has no part in, yet he thinks he does, then I equally will defend myself from unjust attacks on myself for nothing more than trying to share valuable information here. If this forum is private, and you would like that I don't participate, just say the word. I didn't join this forum on my own accord. I was invited by one of your cyber friends because in her opinion, I fit in perfectly here. Am I making any sense? If not, let me know!!!
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 3:57PM
A.B. Madyun
There you go Madyun, just like Robert and Harry, going on about allegiance. Don't you know it's about friendship and love for each other?
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 4:03PM
Steve Williams
David Johnson...
Speaking of race card, If I see something that bears racial overtones, I'm not afraid to speak up about it. If you think that racial issues should be swept under the carpet, and not addressed, then that's your thing. I'm not afraid of race at all. I think I said it before...though racism is dead, we are still living in it's residue. If you don't recognize this fact, then you are in total denial of your own reality.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 4:08PM
A.B. Madyun
Steve,
I don’t care what Mr. Kigel is doing. I said he has removed himself from us Black Americans while we go through our arguing, fussing and fighting because it is all for good. We are trying to civilize our selves. I have enough sense to know that another race of people can not civilize us. We must civilize ourselves no matter what it takes to do so.
People A can not civilize people B. people B must civilize themselves no matter what it takes.
The children of Israel took 40 years to civilize themselves in the desert because the Egyptians had them just as wild and uncivilized as you could imagine.
These sensitive conversations we are having Steve you can not have any influence because you are not one of us.
You have incited Cynthia and Irma against Jamal Abraham. You once were encouraging me to turn against David and I told you no. and then you went to David and were successful to turn him against me.
It has been the history of Caucasian people to sow the seeds of division.
The only way you know to put your mind in order is to put everyone into these monolithic categories. You do it with Black Americans just as you do with White Americans. These are your divisions Harry, not mine.
You say that race is easy to see. I say that individuals are easy to see. For you to deny this individual is what is truly absurd.
Have you notice that Mr. Richard Kilgel is no longer with us Black Americans? All over this country for the past 500 years Black Americans have been trying to get ourselves together.
I once told you that I and on other Black American should have problems out of you because you don’t belong among us at out infant state
harry has a history of trying to use this race card on Steve when Steve exposes Harry BS
NO OTHER PLACE DID I ACCUSE ANYONE OF DEALING THE RACE CARD !
A.B. Madyun I think your jumping to conclusion : a psychological term referring to a communication obstacle where one "judge[s] or decide[s] something without having all the facts; to reach unwarranted conclusions".[2][3] In other words, "when we fail to distinguish between what we observed first hand and we have only inferred or assumed".[1] Because it involves making decisions without having enough information to be sure you are right, this can result in badly made or rash decisions. This action can be associated with skills such as impulsiveness, leadership, and 'showing initiative', which as opposed to JTC, can have positive connotations.
FOR THE RECORD MY MOM / IRMA IS very out spoken when it comes to muslin men boxing in sisters based on there religion Women had been treated as possessions of their husbands; Islamic law made the education of girls a sacred duty and gave women the right to own and inherit property. Muhammad even decreed that s*xual satisfaction was a woman's entitlement. He was a liberal at home as well as in the pulpit. The Prophet darned his own garments and among his wives and concubines had a trader, a warrior, a leatherworker and an imam.
Of course, ancient advances do not mean that much to women 14 centuries later if reform is, rather than a process, a historical blip subject to reversal. While it is impossible, given their diversity, to paint one picture of women living under Islam today, it is clear that the religion has been used in most Muslim countries not to liberate but to entrench inequality. The Taliban, with its fanatical subjugation of the female s*x, occupies an extreme, but it nevertheless belongs on a continuum that includes, not so far down the line, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and the relatively moderate states of Egypt and Jordan. Where Muslims have afforded women the greatest degree of equality--in Turkey--they have done so by overthrowing Islamic precepts in favor of secular rule. As Riffat Hassan, professor of religious studies at the University of Louisville, puts it, "The way Islam has been practiced in most Muslim societies for centuries has left millions of Muslim women with battered bodies, minds and souls."
Wives in Islamic societies face great difficulty in suing for divorce, but husbands can be released from their vows virtually on demand, in some places merely by saying "I divorce you" three times. Though in most Muslim states, divorces are entitled to alimony, in Pakistan it lasts only three months, long enough to ensure the woman isn't pregnant. The same three-month rule applies even to the Muslim minority in India. There, a national law provides for long-term alimony, but to appease Islamic conservatives, authorities exempted Muslims.
Women's rights are compromised further by a section in the Koran, sura 4:34, that has been interpreted to say that men have "pre-eminence" over women or that they are "overseers" of women. The verse goes on to say that the husband of an insubordinate wife should first admonish her, then leave her to sleep alone and finally beat her. Wife beating is so prevalent in the Muslim world that social workers who assist battered women in Egypt, for example, spend much of their time trying to convince victims that their husbands' violent acts are unacceptable.
A strong man will allow his wife to be free ! we need real people to fight for the rights of all woman !
hell with all the bravado ,learn to love your woman should be the first thing !,not the last ,strong men know how to draw the line in the sand ,,,in order to have peace ,,RIGHT OR WRONG ! ISLAM IS PEACE ! ... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT !
I told Harry.... Jamal and my fall out was due to mines and Jamals inability to deal with each other.... ok... if Race is where we gotta go... ok... I'll put it out there....
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 5:43PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
What kind of discipline is required to have a proper relationship with a woman? The kind that will allow you to love fully and completely, yet remain willing to lose her if it is in her best interest. When you can do this my son, you truly will be a man. I tried to show that being a man meant, among other things, the ability to love a woman (or anybody, for that matter) unselfishly. Being a man requires a different kind of profound strength to expose oneself to the vulnerability that comes with loving “fully and completely” while putting the other person ahead of oneself to the point of being willing to lose her if it is in her best interest. True strength is not a matter of how much weight a man can lift, but rather, a matter of discipline. True strength comes from having an honest relationship with oneself. It is a matter of being secure within oneself. When we can come to this, not only will domestic violence dissipate, but we truly will be men
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 5:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
You and I when through this before, am I right. Steve and you were at odds and Steve wanted me to just side with him and turn against you and I told Steve that I couldn’t do that because you were of my kind. It wasn’t anything that you did wrong to Steve or was wrong about something. Steve was just sowing seeds of division and contention among the Blacks of BIA.
After you read my responds to Steve you posted me a comment saying how much you respected my stands of Black American unity.
Shortly after Steve went of work on you and brainwashed you to turn against me and you have been against me ever since.
I told you because I saw it for my self that you like to suck on White ****s and you still do. Look at how strong you are coming out on Mr. Madyun. Steve has his **** down deep in your throat depositing holy milk in your stomach. Your wife should spit on you. You are a piece of **** for a Black American man.
HARRY YOU ARE a sick person ,,,,you want to pull out the race card because you are a defeated foe you lack the intelligence to comprehend so your true colors come out however I am more man then your father or you could ever be and seems you take after your mother because you love to talk about dxxk ,why dont you come all the way out the closet and tell steve what you really want to do to him and leave me out of it # homo !
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 6:49PM
DAVID JOHNSON
can you read harry ?? mama said ! '''MOVE FORWARD IN UNITY AND BEING HAPPY WITH POSTIVIE MATTERS NOT DIVISION...BEING ON PLANET STUCK ON STUPID WHERE THE ADDICTIONS OF FEAR AND JIM CROW RULES''.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 6:51PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Harry, just wondering, do you have any friends, real life or cyber life, or do you push everyone away without discrimination?
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 7:12PM
Steve Williams
Irma, Robert has now pronounced us man and wife (on my guestbook).
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 7:21PM
Steve Williams
Harry All of us can talki dirty or thinking dirty seems like you want to come out the closet ! does your man have a few s*xual fantasies that turn him on more than others? Does he like it when you talk about s*xual scenarios where he’s s*xually involved with other men? Experimentation may sound tempting and exciting,Harry your gay fantasy is the only thing that turns him on a lot, you may have to tell us all about your fascination for other men.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 7:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello Steve,
I have nothing but friends at the YMCA I attend. when I joined I had some problems. Two men had band together to get me put out. One was a pastor and he had told me that I wasn’t welcome in his church. But, he talks to me now and ever now and then he would ask me a question.
I am your friend. Steve. I am Siebra’s friend. I am David’s friend. You all may not be my friend, but that is on you all and not me.
It is not possible that prophets can be enemies to any one. Prophets are a ball of walking truth. It is the people that don’t like the prophets and not that prophets don’t like certain people.
You all don’t care for me because I am a talking and walking ball of truth and the truth I speak rubs against the grain of what you stand for and you all don’t like me for that.
Thank you for the reminder. I really appreciate it.
"...FOR THE RECORD MY MOM / IRMA IS very out spoken when it comes to muslin men boxing in sisters based on there religion Women had been treated as possessions of their husbands..."
What does this have to do with me, and why is she attacking me concerning this issue? I am not involved in this kind of activity, and as it seems that you have practically documented, those of us who associate ourselves with Imam W. Deen Mohammed's leadership have a very disciplined balance in terms of the Quranic understanding of how we are to treat our women. Your mother talks to me as though she knows me personally as a woman beater. She has made me guilty before my innocence has been proven. She has certainly made it a point to make it as uncomfortable as possible for me to even be here. Besides, I made my position clear from the start. But she has just been adament on not being satisfied with that. I've done all but stand on my head, and that is still not enough...you know what I mean? I respect her as your mother, but all this four snaps and a circle stuff, and threats need to cease. I think I entered this forum in a reasonably peaceful manner, and do not feel that I deserve this kind of treatment. I tried to hold my composure as long as was possible, but she just doesn't let up. This is not the way to make friends with anyone, wouldn't you agree?
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 10:28PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun,
Let me offer an explanation. You said:
"Steve is weak. It looks as though he's trying to validate his weak arguments on the fact that it appears in his profile picture that he has a black woman."
When you wrote that you may or may not have known that the woman in the picture is Irma. Whether you did or not the thought behind those words is the same.
And that thought is this, that a proud black woman would ALLOW ME TO USE HER to validate myself by posting a picture of us together.
Now that you know this is Irma, I'll tell you something else. In all the time that Irma and I have known each other, 4 years if I'm not mistaken, until now she had never had her picture posted here.
So this is a picture of Irma, and a picture of friendship and unity. And a Mother's Day gift to her.
And if you'll notice, her friend Sumiko put Irma at the center.
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 11:14PM
Steve Williams
A.B. Madyun MOM'S know the black man and his religion ISLAM ,from W.E.B. Du Bois TO MLK she studied them ! In collage when she sent her children and decided to get her collage degree as well , to the riots with black panthers,to the fight to liberate the black woman from the opresser she is wise and she is reading into your words,she is on you because she hears /read what you say words that seems to resemble some of the brothers /men they speak about in Islam, especially the orthodox they dont respect the woman and believe a woman is more of a type of property as to being a real woman ,,there are /was a few orthodox Muslim that came on this site in total disrespect for our BLACK SISTERS /MOTHER with the same beliefs as yours same words,,,, people like ROBERT POWELL who has felt the wrath of the sisters ,saint jakes (non Muslim) but still disrespectful and others,, HARRY is a non factor TOWN CLOWN ,,so when you say your a orthodox Muslim this is the path ,,,,,if you can show how this belief is not your and you don't practice defaming the woman especially a BLACK WOMAN they/she will take it easy,, Cynthia/SIS is in med school LIL SIS Siebra KIM TIFFANY CHRISTINA ,,ETC have fought shoulder to shoulder to up lift the black woman to her rightful place IN the world not just here at BIA I love them because they are black and proud sisters !
REMEMBER Black In America is an online community for African American men, women, and families, and want to ''''''''''shatter negative stereotypes and misconceptions'''''''. This platform stimulates positive ideas, dialogue and solutions.
OHHH MAMA LOVES STEVE !
Tuesday, May 7th 2013 at 11:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
IF HE IS WRONG she will leave it alone but if he is right she will fight for him and so will I WITH STEVE THERE IS NO COLOR LINE he has made major contributions to this site !
She's hearing what she wants to hear regardless to whether it's being said or not. I ain't going on no guilt trip based upon what she thinks she hears. I can't please everyone. How about you?
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 12:54AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
Thank you for the explanation, but I already knew who she was when you gave the hint earlier. Looks like you caught the late freight on that one, friend!!!
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 1:00AM
A.B. Madyun
You are speaking for your self when you say that you are not my friend and I am speaking for myself when I say that you are my friend stupid.
You choose not to be friendly because you are envious and jealous of me that I am smarter than you are and the first genuine prophet of Black Americans and you are a Black American so you can not escape me. Those Black Americans that turn their backs on me will perish as those Children of Israel that turned their backs on Moses perish in Egypt and in the desert. Only the righteous and good willing Black Americans will become a sovereign people in a country of our own right here on this continent in my life-time.
No way you old dumb and ignorant Blacks will not contaminate the new and up coming Black American young generation with you all back bending sucking up and being led by other people’s philosophy, ways and customs. The new generation of Black Americans wants their own of everything. They want their own religion, prophet, religious book and of course their own country. You old and dumb-ass *****s can’t give the new generation of Black Americans these necessary items of life that we can stand shoulder to shoulder with other intelligent people of the world.
So, I understand the abundance of your ignorance to say that you are not my friend, but nevertheless I am your friend now as I was when Steve had asked me to turn against you and I refused because from my perspective I consider you to be my friend even now.
I see that you dummies take offense to the concept and attitude that women are the property of their men, but it is true in its raw form that women are the property of their men as the children are that she bears for him.
Who should and is responsible to protect the White women settlers from the Indians, but the White men? Who should and is responsible to protect the Black American woman from attack from outside forces as well as from Black American men that have gone astray except the strong, good and intelligent Black Americans men?
Who should and has the responsibility to protect the Chinese women, but the Chinese man?
So, women are the property of their men. However, that doesn’t mean she is a lifeless object to be raped and beaten by run away men.
You all are not refined and analytical thinkers and that is because we are descendents of plantation slaves and slaves are not intelligent people. But, before I past we Black Americans that are left that will have sovereignty and self determination in a country will be very intelligent people.
It was woman that God created for man and not the other way around.
In what book does it say God created man first and then woman from man?
Is it Harry's book of LIFE? No, there is no such book.
It was the Judean scripture known as Genesis.
So you are following Genesis Harry, and Genesis is not your scripture, remember? It is one of the scriptures you repeatedly say should be left behind. Another scripture you need to leave behind is Exodus, and the story of Moses.
Lead by example Harry. Genesis and Exodus don't talk about Black Americans Harry. You are not Jewish Harry, you must let them go!
Now the truth about Man and Woman (and this is a direct revelation from God to me) is that God created Man for Woman, and Woman for Man.
A woman belongs to a man when she gives herself freely to the man. A man belongs to a woman when he freely gives himself to her. The man and woman belong to each other when they commit to each other.
HARRY YOUR REPEATING THE SAME OLD BS let me show you why your so stupid you talk about the JEWS and say blacks are not to follow them ,but your dumb ass believe in the Easter bunny and the Passover after we showed you scholarship info that it was fake..... prove me wrong you cant !
I think at this particular juncture that it is time for us to all step back for a minute, and analyze where we all stand on this issue about Steve. You believe that you are right in coming to Steve's defense even though he is dead wrong, and I believe that I am right in defending myself from Steve's attacks.
One thing that I have deciphered from yourself, Irma, Cynthia, and Steve, is that I can see that you are all a very tight knitted group, and you come to each others defense right or wrong. You take action first, and ask questions later (am I right so far)? I admire this loyalty that you show for one another because that's the same way the FOI was back in the first experience. If a brother, or sister was being attacked, we took immediate action, and asked what happened later. We were like a colony of fire ants in our ant hole. As long as you didn't step on our hole, you were safe. But the moment that you crossed that line and stepped on thayt hole, just like the fire ant when in milli seconds he's up that intruders legs stinging the hell out of him. This has not changed.
Yes...I respect your position, but I have my principles as you have yours. So, you think you're right...I think I'm right...and the whole thing is going nowhere...we're at a stalemate. So this tit for tat situation (you hit me, I hit you, you hit me...), back and forth...it can go on into perpetuity. So that means that somebody has to be mature enough to step up and break the chain.
I think I should also add that I did jump the gun somewhat on analyzing certain issues pertaining to this dispute, though I expected that kind of an outcome being that I was not given much of a choice. I Al-Islam, we are taught to argue using the best arguments except in cases of abuse.
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: But if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient. (Holy Quran, An-Nahl, 16:125-126)
My suggestion is, in order to maintain the peace for everyone here is to just agree to disagree, and let's move on for the sake of the group. I ask Allah to forgive me if I stepped on any toes, wounded any psyches, and the like, though I feel i was perfectly within my rights. Self preservation is the first law of nature, and I'm sure that you feel the same. If anyone does not see this as a solution, then I am convinced that that person does not seek peace as I do, and I'll just move on...agreed?
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 7:18PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun,thats what I been trying to say all along , as long as we can move in peace we can all get along many time you will find that the high road is the best road for all ,,,,
it takes a real man to say what you said and I can respect that ! .agreed !
well Harry is a dif /. case ,,
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 8:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
AWESOME!! I so love my black brothers... and speak as REAL BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN settling their differences... Smooches and Kisses to you all
Wednesday, May 8th 2013 at 9:06PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I was wondering where you were. I was figuring I'd have to call you tomorrow.
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 4:16AM
Steve Williams
Irma Robinson...
Peace, sister Irma... :)
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 6:07AM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
I am glad you decided to make that choice, and I as well respect you for that. It takes a real man to accept peace as the only solution.
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 6:10AM
A.B. Madyun
For everyone, let's also agree...no more sarcastic, and snide remarks. Is that also agreeable to everyone? I'm good that we just stick to the main topic. Is this also agreeable with everyone?
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 6:15AM
A.B. Madyun
"What kind of discipline is required to have a proper relationship with a woman? The kind that will allow you to love fully and completely, yet remain willing to lose her if it is in her best interest. When you can do this my son, you truly will be a man. I tried to show that being a man meant, among other things, the ability to love a woman (or anybody, for that matter) unselfishly. Being a man requires a different kind of profound strength to expose oneself to the vulnerability that comes with loving “fully and completely” while putting the other person ahead of oneself to the point of being willing to lose her if it is in her best interest. True strength is not a matter of how much weight a man can lift, but rather, a matter of discipline. True strength comes from having an honest relationship with oneself. It is a matter of being secure within oneself. When we can come to this, not only will domestic violence dissipate, but we truly will be men"
David Johnson
Ameen!!!
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 6:24AM
A.B. Madyun
@Irma... I hope AB stick around as well... @Madyun... The kind that will allow you to love fully and completely, yet remain willing to lose her if it is in her best interest. (spoken words of my grandfather)...
AT ALL: Guys that's why I like dis mann he'd tell my (Cymp... (he couln't say Cynthia or Cynt (cent) if HE is not in your best interest.... let him go... because if a man really respects (you) ME then he would do everything within his power to be loving, respectful yet can still show authority as head, and a strong provider... and most importantly strong to weather the storm under all kinds of conditions - then he cannot offer (you) ME a thing)...
That's one reason I am so proud...
Do men realize today; that the strength of the woman had to come to her.... our men were sold off.. incarcerated, on drugs, leaving the single mother to maintain a place of calm for the remaining family members" I know for certain... I couldn't crumble when my marriage failed.....
I grew up with those "european fairy tales"... Happy ever after.... but in my black world... it ain't no fairy tale.. I would luv to sit back and be treated and pampered by my mannn... but that ain't the case, and that ain't my time... I 'HAVE" to be all of that plus more... and sometimes I do get bitter and a little angry with men... because they (not all) have NOT LIVED UP TO THE SINGLE INSTRUCTION THAT God placed on man in the beginning of time with the creation of woman.....
God decides that "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a companion fit for him." In Genesis 2:21–22 it states:
"And God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man" After her creation, Adam names his companion Woman, "because she was taken out of Man."[7] "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve
I'll agree to disagree though on the (no more sarcastic, and snide remarks) Im sorry Puppet Harry does not get a free pass here.... nor does Yakkie... and on occassion nor does my brother Robert....
After reading my eloquently and analytically comment that in the raw sense women are the property of their men.
Since you are looking for the some negative to sink me you will always miss the brighter meaningful side of the things I say.
You have mis-understood me. You belong to all Black American men, but that doesn’t mean that all Black American men are your lover because only one can be that lover to you.
I am not Jamal Abraham. I am the real thing. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and you are really going to come to see that.
It's interesting how the Egyptians saw the male and the female.
While we commonly say Mother Earth, they saw Nut (Sky) the goddess and Geb (earth) the god. Geb supplied the seed, and Nut nourished the seed into fruition. After Nut came Isis and Hathor, and their crown, the ox horns and the sun disc, represent nurture. The sun, because Nut conveyed the sun, without which there would be no growth, and the ox horns because the ox plowed the land and made it able to take the seed.
Male and female are codependent. The story of Adam and Eve conveys the patriarchal view, Adam first and Eve second. In the Egyptian scheme Nut appears first, separating the waters above from the waters below. Then Geb, the dry land appears. The same order as Genesis, but the opposite from Adam and Eve.
I used to think the meaning of the waters above meant the rain. But it really means the dome of the sky, which is blue, just like the waters below. They didn't know about outer space, what they thought the world above the atmosphere was is water, not a void as we know today.
Madyun... Thank you and you are such a wise man!!! smile...
Harry... don't you remember... She's stupid... She's A Liar, Deceiver and Trickster...She's dumb... She's and Idiot! uuuummmmm what else.... ???? ¿¿wha??? and guess what ... she's all of that ..... yet .... you still want "me/she/her.... all of us" to follow you off to a brand new galaxy??? ¡¡NOT.... SORRY!!!!
Steve... In Philosophy I studied about the First Woman before Eve.... Lillith
((Many people, whether they are religious or not, know the story of Adam and Eve. According to the Bible, God created Adam out of the dirt of the earth that He had made. When Adam grew lonely, God plucked a rib from Adam's body, and from this rib he created a companion for the first man: Eve. What most people don't know is that Eve might not have been the first woman made by God. Before God created Eve, he made another woman, also for the purpose of serving as Adam's friend and companion. This woman was created out of dirt, like Adam had been. Her name was Lilith.
Lilith is not mentioned in the Bible, but is most likely a "legend" that was passed down orally before the Bible was ever written down.))
You are on the same page as Cynthia is, but I am on a higher page than you all are on. When you say a particular Black American woman belongs to a particular Black American man because she freely comments her I have no problem with that, but that is not what I am saying. I am saying something higher than that. I am saying that all Black American women belong to Black American men as opposed to White or Chinese American women. Black Americans are a race of people as White and Chinese Americans are a race of people.
The Gnostic Christians who authored the Nag Hammadi scriptures did not read Genesis as history with a moral, but as a myth with a meaning. To them, Adam and Eve were not actual historical figures, but representatives of two intrapsychic principles within every human being. Adam was the dramatic embodiment of psyche, or soul, while Eve stood for the pneuma, or spirit. Soul, to the Gnostics, meant the embodiment of the emotional and thinking functions of the personality, while spirit represented the human capacity for spiritual consciousness. The former was the lesser self (the ego of depth psychology), the latter the transcendental function, or the "higher self," as it is sometimes known. Obviously, Eve, then, is by nature superior to Adam, rather than his inferior as implied by orthodoxy.
Nowhere is Eve's superiority and numinous power more evident than in her role as Adam's awakener. Adam is in a deep sleep, from which Eve's liberating call arouses him. While the orthodox version has Eve physically emerge from Adam's body, the Gnostic rendering has the spiritual principle known as Eve emerging from the unconscious depths of the somnolent Adam. Before she thus emerges into liberating consciousness, Eve calls forth to the sleeping Adam in the following manner, as stated by the Gnostic Apocryphon of John:
I entered into the midst of the dungeon which is the prison of the body. And I spoke thus: "He who hears, let him arise from the deep sleep." And then he (Adam) wept and shed tears. After he wiped away his bitter tears he spoke, asking: "Who is it that calls my name, and whence has this hope come unto me, while I am in the chains of this prison?" And I spoke thus: "I am the Pronoia of the pure light; I am the thought of the undefiled spirit. . . . Arise and remember . . . and follow your root, which is I . . . and beware of the deep sleep."
In another scripture from the same collection, entitled On the Origin of the World, we find further amplification of this theme. Here Eve whose mystical name is Zoe, meaning life, is shown as the daughter and messenger of the Divine Sophia, the feminine hypostasis of the supreme Godhead:
Sophia sent Zoe, her daughter, who is called "Eve," as an instructor in order that she might raise up Adam, in whom there is no spiritual soul so that those whom he could beget might also become vessels of light. When Eve saw her companion, who was so much like her, in his cast down condition she pitied him, and she exclaimed: "Adam, live! Rise up upon the earth!" Immediately her words produced a result for when Adam rose up, right away he opened his eyes. When he saw her, he said: "You will be called 'mother of the living', because you are the one who gave me life."
In the same scripture, the creator and his companions whisper to each other while Adam sleeps: "Let us teach him in his sleep as though she (Eve) came to be from his rib so that the woman will serve and he will be lord over her." The demeaning tale of Adam's rib is thus revealed as a propagandistic device intended to advance an attitude of male superiority. It goes without saying that such an attitude would have been more difficult among the Gnostics, who held that man was indebted to woman for bringing him to life and to consciousness.
mr.David Johnson writes:---"Given the storm of lies, and half-truths that come with being associated with being the descendant of El Hajj Malik el Shabazz"
well BIA can finally SELLOUT the LIE, and half-Truth that David Johnson has been spreading at BIA------- -----that there was a Man named El Hajj Malik el Shabazz OR AlHajj AbdulMaleek AsShabazz who died On February 21, 1965 -----Addressing the Organization of African-American Unity in Manhattan's Audubon Ballroom.
Yeah, David. I just read a report about Malcolm's grandson. I'm smelling an FBI involvement. They had already placed him under arrest as he was preparing to attend a film festival in Iran a few weeks ago. They had been continually harassing him. He was murdered in Mexico, but I don't think all the details are available on how he was killed. There were conflicting reports...one that he was pushed off of a roof. The other was a report that he had been shot.
Thursday, May 9th 2013 at 11:19PM
A.B. Madyun
This is not exclusively relative to just the African, and the European Americans, but rather to people of African, and European descent all over the world.
Friday, May 10th 2013 at 12:26AM
A.B. Madyun
Will do, David!!!
Friday, May 10th 2013 at 12:51AM
A.B. Madyun
The story of David and Goliath being plagiarized from the Book of the Dead is concerned; it doesn't have to be to prove any point thus far made. What has been maintained in fact is that the Greeks wrote the first Bible (not the Hebrews as is falsely and incorrectly taught), and if the Greeks wrote the very first Bible then not only did they plagiarize ancient Egyptian texts in doing so but they also plagiarized Greek texts in the process such as a presumed 'Homer's Illiad & the Odessy'. So all we have to do is find out from which culture they plagiarized the story of David and Goliath:
The Ten Commandments given by God to Moses on the top of Mount Sinai are clearly set in an Egyptian tradition and would seem to have common roots with the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Except for the first two commandments, we find the same moral rules in the Hebrew Bible that are also found in the Egyptian hieroglyphic writings. Egyptian religion was a polytheistic belief, and hundreds of gods and goddesses were worshiped in the Nile valley. These deities were believed to manifest themselves in certain images and the artists of that time captured these images in pictures and statues. This was completely forbidden by the Monotheistic God of Moses in the first two of his commandments given in Chapter 20 of the Book of Exodus: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
Also, unlike the Israelites, Egyptians believed in a second life after death. They believed that every person has, other than his physical body, a dual spiritual nature, which they called the KA and the BA. They also regarded the name and shadow of a person as living entities, part of the spiritual existence, not just linguistic and natural phenomena. Thus Egyptians regarded death as simply a temporary interruption rather than a complete cessation of life, and believed that after their death, they faced a trial in the underworld before the god Osiris and his forty-two judges in the Hall of Judgment. In the Egyptian culture, eternal life had to be ensured by various means, including the preservation of the physical body through mummification, the provision of funerary equipment, and the presence of magical spells in the tomb to protect the dead person in his journey in the underworld.
Their composition of the texts relating to death and afterlife went back to the Pyramid Texts, the first examples of which were inscribed in the 5th dynasty pyramid of Unas (2375 - 2345 BC) at Saqqara. By the time of the 18th dynasty, about 1500 BC, these spells were copied on rolls of papyrus and placed within the coffins. These rolls have come to be known now as copies of the Book of the Dead. This is, nevertheless, a modern term, as the Egyptians themselves called it "Going Forth by Day."
The Ten Commandments represent God's orders to humans given in the imperative form; the Egyptian texts use this form:
Thou shalt not kill. Thou shat not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Spell 125 of the Book of the Dead, contrary to the Book of Exodus, contains a moral code represented in a form of Negative Confession that the dead person has to recite when he descends to the hall of the Two Truths. He shall say:
Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God. I have not laid violent hands on an orphan. I have not done what the God abominates . . . I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer. I have not caused anyone's suffering . . . I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste. I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields. I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance. I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage . . . I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water. I have not quenched a fire in its time . . . I have not kept cattle away from the God's property. I have not blocked the God at his processions. http://dwij.org/forum/amarna/2_cmndmts_boo...
Ahmed Osman
Historian, lecturer, researcher and author, Ahmed Osman is a British Egyptologist born in Cairo His four in-depth books clarifying the history of the Bible and Egypt are: Stranger in the Valley of the Kings (1987) - Moses: Pharaoh of Egypt (1990) - The House of the Messiah (1992) - Out of Egypt (1998)
I can’t understand why you all are so fascinated about other people’s things? David is transfixed on the Egyptians and the Arabian people has Mr. Madyun is spellbound. And, why I don’t understand it is because David and Mr. Madyun are the same race.
These two knuckleheads believe that they can only relate to God through other people. We are so stupid and ignorant that it is extremely hard for us to believe that the same God that came to the Arabian and Jewish people can not come to us Black Americans. Such an attitude against you self is a clear indication that David and Mr. Madyun are mentally dead men.
Mr. Madyun hopes of ever connecting to God is through the Arabian people. But, why can’t he say to him self that since the Arabian got to God and gave them Prophet Mohammed then why can’t we get to God the same way that the same God gave us Black Americans Prophet Harry. Prophet is the same race as we are and that is the same with the Arabian people that their Prophet Mohammed was the same race as they are?
Please leave other people’s things alone and except you own from your very own prophet.
Mr. Madyun you must come out of Islam because you are not an Arab man. You must be racially paired up with your own prophet as the Arabian people are paired up with their Arab Prophet Mohammed.
HARRY YOU ALL PLAYED OUT ! GO AWAY !
Friday, May 10th 2013 at 5:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
A.B. Madyun,
I appreciate your post of the article by Imam W. D. Muhammad. About what you said:
"...how the church was established relative to the racial climate as it was when it was first established in an earlier historical period."
I don't believe the Church, if we are talking about Christianity, was established in a racial climate, unless we take race as referring to the people of a certain nation.
Christianity originated in Egypt, in Africa, with it's center in Alexandria. The earliest Church bishops, such as Clement of Alexandria, were African.
The Old Testament itself, that was used by the authors of the New Testament, was compiled in Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE.
Christianity was founded by the Apostle Paul and named after Jesus the Christ and Jesus did not exist in the 3rd century BCE stupid.
You are just as stupid and ignorant as my beloved Black American people and there is no good reason for you to be stupid because you did not experience plantation slavery.
So, the only reason that you are stupid is because your stupidity is natural. You are naturally stupid.
Donatism was a Christian sect within the Roman province of Africa that flourished in the fourth and fifth centuries[1] among Berber Christians. Donatism had its roots in the social pressures among the long-established Christian community of Roman North Africa (present-day Berber countries Algeria and Tunisia), during the persecutions of Christians under Diocletian. The Donatists (named for the Berber Christian bishop Donatus Magnus) were members of a schismatic church not in communion with the churches of the Catholic tradition in Late Antiquity.
Donatism was an indirect outcome of Diocletian's persecutions. The governor of Africa had been lenient towards the large Christian minority under his rule during the persecutions. He was satisfied if Christians handed over their Scriptures as a token repudiation of their faith. Some Christians acceded to this convenient action. When the persecutions came to an end, however, they were branded traditores, "those who handed (the holy things) over" by the zealous, mostly from the poorer classes.[2]
Like the Novatianist schism of the previous century,[3] the Donatists were rigorists, holding that the church must be a church of "saints," not "sinners," and that sacraments, such as baptism, administered by traditores were invalid. Probably in 311,[citation needed] a new bishop of Carthage, Caecilian, was consecrated by someone who had allegedly been a traditor, Felix of Aptungi; his opponents consecrated a short-lived rival, who was succeeded by Donatus, after whom the schism was named.
In 313, a commission appointed by Pope Miltiades found against the Donatists, but they continued to exist, viewing themselves, and not the Catholic Church, as the "true Church," the only one with "valid sacraments." Because of their association with the Circumcellions, they brought upon themselves repression by the imperial authorities, but they drew upon African regional sentiment, while the Catholic party had the support of Rome. They were still a force at the time of Saint Augustine of Hippo at the end of the fourth century, and disappeared only after the Arab conquest of the 7th–8th century.[4]
OFF SUBJECT ---steve has to be reminded MANY times that BIA is an African American wwwebsite for Families wishing to shatter stereotypes and misconceptions of the past for benefit of the CHANGE of President Baraaka Hussein Obama as outlined for the Future of America........
steve(SELL themOut) ---continues, in my opinion, a viral masterDNA thesis of CIVILITER MORTUUS at BIA ----the original Justification for the racistIdentification that the paganEuropean slavers of the slaverAMericana 1492-1864(1974) ---- developed ----to DIVIDE the Family of Adaam(as) from the Creator....
even, ----selfProfessed 68 IQ retardant Harry, understands the History, Scholarship and Science of the racisticIgnorance of the latinJesus era.............
to the 2013 Females;
PLEEZE,
your FIGHT, in my opinion, seems to be with the Creator of Adaam(as) who took from hisCreated man Adaam(as) --- a part of HIMSELF ----and ordained a NECESSARY that part of Adaam(as) -- Huwah(eve) ----THE CROWNING ingredient for Adaam(as) to have A FAMILY __________________ yet
---- you demean and cow to--- ----the latinJesus---architect of slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1974) --- the g-a-w-d you submitted to in the bigHOUSE---promises you economicJustice, familyPlanning, periodEquality, female/female Marriage--2013? ----OR as sweetIrma writes, 'SURVIVAL'
----- who didNOT and doNot follow, the opinions of ANY of the American Men, from W.E.B duBois, to BookerT, to mlKing, to elijah to 'theirMalcolm'
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"...and disappeared only after the Arab conquest of the 7th–8th century..."
Arab conquests refers to the Moors who entered Spain, and other parts of Europe during the dark ages and brought about the renaissance (revival of European culture and education). It was not the Arabs, but the Muslims that this author is referring. However, he gives the deception by claiming "Arabs" instead of Moors giving the illusion that Islam is an Arab religion because Muhammad was an Arab. It serves man well to travel and to witness the cultures of mankind. There still exists many who do not realize that before Alexander the Great's invasion of Persia, Africa, and Arabia, these were all of one continent. When you look at the people who are indigenous to that region, some of these people have similar features. A stellar example is the Yemeni people. Most of these people look both like Arabs, and Ethiopians. Ethiopia is not very distant from Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia at it's southwest border.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 12:20PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun,
Sometimes I just put something out there that I've run across that caught my interest. Wikipedia has many authors and some are better than others. But Wikipedia is a convenient place to start.
I don't know if Arab Conquest or Muslim Conquest is the best term, or neither of the above. But we do know there is a history of conquest. Someone from Arabia conquered Egypt first, and then the conquest spread across North Africa.
I do like to study Religious Conquests.
I was looking at the history of the early Church in Africa. That led to the entry on the Donatists, St. Augustine, whom I had read in my youth, who was from Algeria, The Muslim Conquest or Arab Conquest, whatever name the Wikipedia entry used, and Edward Gibbon.
Africa has a long history, and well before the Muslims, Hanno the Navigator, a Carthaginian, sailed around the West coast of Africa and into the Gulf of Guinea.
My post wasn't meant to cause any offense. The study of history requires objectivity. And I have been looking at the possibility that Virgil was from Carthage, not Italy. The only known portrait of him is from Tunisia, and it shows an African man.
Robert, it seems to me that you are the one interested in division.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 2:52PM
Steve Williams
Steve Williams...
The Gospel of Barnabas: TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS, CALLED CHRIST, A NEW PROPHET SENT BY GOD TO THE WORLD: ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTION OF BARNABAS HIS APOSTLE. BARNABAS, APOSTLE OF JESUS THE NAZARENE, CALLED CHRIST, TO ALL THEM THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH DESIRETH PEACE AND CONSOLATION. http://www.barnabas.net/ Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 4:02PM
A.B. Madyun
powell robert...
This is what the believing Muslim is commanded to do by Allah almighty:
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #125)
I am sure that most of us are intelligent enough to know that insulting people, and calling them out of their name does not come even close to fitting the description of a "beautiful" argument. Please take notice, not from me, but from Allah, that you discontinue representing yourself as a representative of this religion. You are not being fair to the religion, not fair to those who practice it, to those who seek knowledge of it, nor to your own personal self by continuing to represent Al-Islam with your behavior. Prophet Muhammad was reported by the sahabas (companions of the prophet) to have once quoted that; "He who acts other than a Muslim is not one of us." I would implore you to bear this in mind in presenting what arguments that you have to present. So far I haven't seen you spit out anymore than a string of misinformation about this deen. This has to cease, my brother.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 4:16PM
A.B. Madyun
powell robert...
This goes for me as well. That is the reason why I choose not to respond to any of Harry's comments, nor will I respond to anyone else's negative comments from here on out. May Allah forgive me if I have caused anyone discomfort for any harmful words that have come from any of my comments. There was no malicious intent on my part, and I ask that anyone who may have been harmed by anything that I have said in this thread, or any other thread, that they will also accept my apology. I believe that it would be in perfect order if you would follow suit, my brother. This has gone far enough.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 4:21PM
A.B. Madyun
(Paraphrasing) "...Judge not a man according to the color of his skin, but rather by the content of his character..." - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. -
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 4:27PM
A.B. Madyun
Thanks for the reference AB, I will take a look.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 4:41PM
Steve Williams
Steve Williams...
Studies in Islamic Civilization Book Description Publication Date: June 1, 2010
Studies in Islamic Civilization draws upon the works of Western scholars to make the case that without the tremendous contribution of the Muslim world there would have been no Renaissance in Europe. For almost a thousand years Islam was arguably one of the leading civilizations of the world spanning a geographic area greater than any other. It eliminated social distinctions between classes and races, made clear that people should enjoy the bounties of the earth provided they did not ignore morals and ethics, and rescued knowledge that would have been lost, if not forever, then at least for centuries. The genius of its scholars triggered the intellectual tradition of Europe and for over seven hundred years its language, Arabic, was the international language of science. Strange then that its legacy lies largely ignored and buried in time. In the words of Aldous Huxley, Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth. By simply not mentioning certain subjects... propagandists have influenced opinion much more effectively than they could have by the most eloquent denunciations. Studies in Islamic Civilization is a compelling attempt to redress this wrong and restore the historical truths of a golden age that ushered in the Islamic renaissance, and as a by-product that of the West. In doing so it gives a bird s eye view of the achievements of a culture that at its height was considered the model of human progress and development.
I first read about the moors and their contributions to the European renaissance, which is often referred to as the golden age of Islam, back in the fifth grade when I was ten years old. I attended a Catholic parochial school, St. Joseph's School, Cincinnati, Ohio. You are correct in your analysis of accounts contained in the Wikipedia archives, but the role of the North African Muslims, along with some of the most renowned Jewish scholars are well documented in mosthuistorical records. So I'm supposing what it boils down to at this point is of whose account you choose to accept. If I choose to accept the account of Catholic scholars, and it agrees with, and is consistent with the historical archived files of the Islamic scholars, then that's good enough for me.
Western lack of knowledge of Islamic prinicipals naturally should draw suspicion in the absence of proper exposure. When I first heard of muhammad...when I first read about him in my world history textbook while attending Catholic school...this again in the fifth grade, there was only one small @ 1 inch caption depicting Muhammad as a camel jockey out in the deserts of Arabia who "claimed" to have received the revelation from G_d. Since Muhammad was described as an unlettered prophet who could neither read nor write, I would say that after learning of the result of this so-called "claim," and how it impacted the world, his "claim" carried civilization a long way back during that time, and all the way up until the present day.
Western civilization, for the most part, has been kept in the dark concerning the knowledge of Islam. The Zionist Jews, and not the Jews who oppose their evil plot, hold responsibility for keeping the western world uninformed of the contribution of Islam to the advancement of human civilization. Most of the world are totallly unaware that it is the Zionists who control the entire western media. Some of you may, or may not agree with me that it is the media that controls the minds of the people.
Many important truths have been hidden from the general populace for the sake of commercialism in order to line the pockets of the greedy bloodsuckers of the poor in this society. In the bible Jesus is quoted to have said; "...Know ye the truth, and the truth shall set you free..." So when truth comes, it is essential that we recognize it. Some wouldn't recognize it if it was a snake that had bitten them. They would probably rather to think that it was a worm. Just sayin'.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:06PM
A.B. Madyun
Makes You Think
Many elements of the 'Passion' make no sense historically.
A trial for Jesus, when suspected rebels were habitually arrested and executed by the Romans without trial? Philo of Alexandria (On the embassy to Gaius, XXXVIII) speaks of Pilate's 'continual murders of people untried and uncondemned.'
And why would the Romans have allowed a convicted felon to be almost immediately removed from his cross and put in a tomb? Crucifixion was chosen precisely to make a public point that the most cruel and humiliating form of punishment awaits those who oppose Rome's will. Roman disposition on this point was perhaps best summed up by Quintilian (AD 35-95, Decl. 274) when he wrote that:
"Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where most people can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not so much to retribution as to their exemplary effect."
A century earlier, after the 'slave revolt' led by Spartacus, 6,000 prisoners were thus crucified along the Via Appia between the cities of Rome and Cappua, as a gruesome deterrent to further rebellion. Doubtless the corpses were left on their crosses to rot or to provide food for wild beasts and birds of prey.
But of course if the 'Passion' were really a pageant of a re-born sun-god it makes perfect sense that the 'sacrificed' actor be taken off-stage, subsequently reappearing in a later act, 'reborn'…
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.
"Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).
"The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).
The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.
In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)!
This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.
The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).
It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.
Jewish Sources
Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.
This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).
1. The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser.
2. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.
3. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.
4. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).
5. The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).
6. The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.
7. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98).
It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.
8. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther.
9. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).
10. The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.
11. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer.
12, The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah.
13. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).
Heretical Christian Sources
One of the most documented and damaging facts about the Quran is that Muhammad used heretical "Christian" Gnostic gospels and their fables for material in the Quran.
Encyclopedia Britannica comments:
"The gospel was known to him chiefly through apocryphal and heretical sources" (15:648).
This has been demonstrated many times by various scholars (Richard Bell, Introduction to the Quran, pp. 163ff. See also: Bell, The Origin of Islam in Its Christian Environment, pp. 110ff, 139ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 216ff. See also Tisdall and Pfander).
For example, in Suras 3:49 and 100:11O, the baby Jesus speaks from the cradle! Later on, the Quran has Jesus making clay birds come alive.
The Bible tells us that the first miracle Jesus did was at the wedding at Cana (John 2:11).
Sabean Sources
Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).
He adopted such pagan rituals as:
Worshiping at Kabah
Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).
Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.
Eastern Religious Sources
Muhammad derived some of his ideas from Eastern religions such as Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. All of these things were in existence long before Muhammad was born.
The Quran records the following things which are ascribed to Muhammad but in reality were previously known stories now attributed to him for the first time (Sell, Studies, pp. 219ff.).
The story of a flying trip through seven heavens.
The Houries of paradise.
Azazil and other spirits coming up from Hades.
The "light" of Muhammad.
The bridge of Sirat.
Paradise with its wine, women, and song (from the Persians).
The king of death.
The peacock story.
Arab Racism
According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black faces will be damned.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Truth is truth and is infinite.. Truth doesn't change only man's perception of it. Islam had a beginning as did Kemetology. The Most High doesn't need a man to define it, it want man to define it through the varied experiences of life of which Islam is one understanding. Islam was born from the mind of men in and around the Nile Valley/Indus Kush regions.. It would serve us well to understand what came before.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
They came in and changed our pure spirituality into a slave mind set that most blacks believe in to day i have studied religion and its all man made from Jesus to Mohammad its all man made ! in my quest to know the truth i have found it amazing that knowledge is truly powerful and when you look back in history and understand how they tried to destroy black history in its original form Africa is our pathway to the truth and they did not want you or i to know this truth so they went as far as to publish books that rewrote our pass and and deny us the god given right to serve the GOD of our ansesters if we choose too !
i believe if this information gets in the minds of our people then we will have a real foundation to build on because they will have a better understanding of where we came ,,i believe we will begin to see each other in a different light as oppose to the way the powers that be has turned us into ! the reason why black America is so messed up is they have no ideal where they came from and the fact of the matter is most blacks think that there history started and ended with slavery ! i believe all this ties in with the dropout rate ,aids,black on black crime and more !
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Upon the death of the Prophet, Abu Bakr, the friend of the Prophet and the first adult male to embrace Islam, became caliph. Abu Bakr ruled for two years to be succeeded by 'Umar who was caliph for a decade and during whose rule Islam spread extensively east and west conquering the Persian empire, Syria and Egypt. It was 'Umar who marched on foot at the end of the Muslim army into Jerusalem and ordered the protection of Christian sites. 'Umar also established the first public treasury and a sophisticated financial administration. He established many of the basic practices of Islamic government.
http://www.barkati.net/english/#06 'Umar was succeeded by 'Uthman who ruled for some twelve years during which time the Islamic expansion continued. He is also known as the caliph who had the definitive text of the Noble Quran copied and sent to the four corners of the Islamic world. He was in turn succeeded by 'Ali who is known to this day for his eloquent sermons and letters, and also for his bravery. With his death the rule of the "rightly guided" caliphs, who hold a special place of respect in the hearts of Muslims, came to an end.
Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)
"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)
In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ill be back 1
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 5:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Musa bin Nusair, a successful Yemeni general in the campaign, was made governor of Ifriqiya and given the responsibility of putting down a renewed Berber rebellion and converting the population to Islam. Musa and his two sons prevailed over the rebels and enslaved 300,000 captives. The caliph's portion was 60,000 of the captives. These the caliph sold into slavery, the proceeds from their sale going into the public treasury. Another 30,000 captives were pressed into military service.
"Musa bin Nusair, a successful Yemeni general in the campaign, was made governor of Ifriqiya and given the responsibility of putting down a renewed Berber rebellion and converting the population to Islam. Musa and his two sons prevailed over the rebels and enslaved 300,000 captives. The caliph's portion was 60,000 of the captives. These the caliph sold into slavery, the proceeds from their sale going into the public treasury. Another 30,000 captives were pressed into military service."
Steve...I hope that your purpose for showing this is not because this is what you think the prophet Muhammad taught as being the religion of Islam. There are some very positive events found in Christian history for certain, but it does not detract from the fact that it was Christian slave traders that enslaved millions of African peoples. Is there perfection in the adherents of any religion? That, I believe is the real question. I have not seen anything negative that David has displayed on his findings yet. As I suggested earlier, to maintain harmony here, let's stay away from the negativity. It serves no intelligent purpose at all. If you keep digging, you just might come up with something negative on prophet Muhammad as well. Negative things were said about Jesus, was it not? None of these negative things that were being, and are still being said about the prophets of G_d should surprise anyone.
There is a very wise saying that says that if someone has negative comments of any substance concerning a servant of any capacity of substance, then that is the measuring stick to assure the servant that he (the servant) is doing something of great value. - Author unknown -
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 8:52PM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
"...Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)..."
David...would it make more sense to you if the above read; "...Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)..." the point being this...if a Muslims belief in the one G_d, Allah is strong, why would the end of the caliphate make them sad. Because, when properly understood, caliph refers to a maintainer, custodian, or caretaker. This is the obligation of every man born into this world who endeavors to be a responsible individual in their communities, not for just the one time, but for all time.
When I didn't know any better, I saw caliphate as having to do with an important general who waged war. And during the time of the calipahte of Abu Bakr, and all the way down to the caliphate of Ali, the Muslims remained under attack by the Pagans who did not desire that Al-Islam be spread. They remained steadfast in refusing to accept it as their way of life. It is the general thought in the west that Muhammad spread Islam with the sword. That is the biggest lie that the haters of Islam ever circulated. The Muslims were under attack from day one from the pagan Quraish of Mecca because of their belief in one G_d, as opposed to 360.
The name Allah, as is the religion of Islam came, and remains a strange phenomenon to the western world, as well as in other lands in the world. But it remains strange for the lack of information from the media of which our society have come to depend upon. Is it any wonder why the Muslims call G_d Allah instead of G_d, when the only difference is that we, the Muslims recognize the deity as Al (translated into English meaning "The One") and Lah (translated into English meaning "G_d" or "Deity")...this to distinguish the creator from made up gods, and partners with Him.
Thus, instead of arguing about our differences, we need to instead recognize that G_d never intended for man to engage in perpetual quarreling of differences that neither of us have the power to change. Only He has possession of that power, as He has dominion over everything. Instead, we should be strictly dwelling on the better things in life that we can agree upon, and respect one another's differences. If I can respect yours, then you should not have to struggle in respecting mine.
Saturday, May 11th 2013 at 9:29PM
A.B. Madyun
geeze too much religious stuff for me....
Sunday, May 12th 2013 at 12:09AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hello Mr. Madyun,
Looks like Steve and David got you sunk analytically speaking. You can not defend Arabian religion and that is understandable so because you are not an Arab man. Steve and David are not Arab men either, but they know more about Islam than you and WD Muhammad know. What is up with that, dude?
You need to come out of Islam Mr. Madyun and into something that you can successfully defend and that would be your own religion LIFE.
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i, robertPowell, again WRITE at BIA ---- NO INSULTS! --- if the ADJECTIVES fit thank jenFad--my biaWriting inspiration ----i respond to biaWriters and theirWritings on the BIA wwwebSITE ----BIA is a socialCommunication site ----with Writing
----i, robertPowell write in the inspiredSTYLE of jenFad ----i, DO use ADJECTIVES in the English language to describe MANY writers ----i, WRITE youALL
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AlHAMDULLILLAHI RABILALAAMEEN
mybrother Imam A B Madyun has REMINDED me of the Beauty of Our Raabbee ----of Pleasant Communication and Presentation to all --- AlHAMDULLILLAHI RABILALAAMEEN
---- i ask the foregiveness of Allaah for my mistakes and the Mercy of AlHaqq
mybrother Imam A B Madyun is now READING --- with US ------for the 55,299th TIME ---- the scorn, ignorance, filth and antiIslaamic PASTINGS of the ex Blog King, -----well known to me for as long as the DJ of Filth has PASTED at BIA
my Raabee has allowed me Mercy, that i can do as i will ---if de*****ated by the monsterWriter......monsterCommunicator
so i do, ------this is my choice and May Allaah reward the doers of good and accept Tawbaah from the attacked...
1. ex---blogKing david johnson, siebra, steve/adam, bsBtold, kimmy, governedByChrist, C U R T I S etal 2. ex---blogKing david johnson, siebra, steve/adam, bsBtold, kimmy, governedByChrist, C U R T I S etal 3. ex---blogKing david johnson 4. robertPowell, jenFad, yaiqab saint, harry 5. dont have that answer, cannot in english understand the question 6. dont have that answer, cannot in english understand the question
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EACH answer of the SURVEY --minus 4----could be I R M A ---for 83.3%
M-A-N'S LAW... ?????---------------or are you just Upset about the Laws of the Creator of Adaam(as)
that is a paganChristian term used by 20th centuries apololgists for slaverAmericana1492-1864(1964) --- unless you have a better definition
you also write:---"THE FOUNDERS OF THE WORLD'S MAJOR RELIGIONS ABRAHAM, JESUS, MOHAMMED"
In Monotheistic Thought --- There was the CREATOR; the CREATOR created Adaam(as); ----and Adaam(as) and Hawaah developed the Family of Mankind
--- Ibraheem, IsaIbnMaryam and Mohamed(sawm) ----Are Prophets of the Way of Life developed by Creator for the Family of Adaam(as)
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as usual---sweetIrma---i, robertPowell---cannot understand your ebonicWriting ........"A.B. "I" GATHER YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM YOU THAT IS BEFORE YOU CAME ONTO THIS SITE"????
is that like 'buddhist reincarnation'? ---- that is 'Radical'
Every Day is Mothers Day! Happy Mothers Day Irma!
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 1:36AM
Steve Williams
powell robert...
"...as usual---sweetIrma---i, robertPowell---cannot understand your ebonicWriting ........"A.B. "I" GATHER YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM YOU THAT IS BEFORE YOU CAME ONTO THIS SITE"????..."
I knew that I had a good reason for ignoring you up to this point. So...what are you really saying (just for the record)? Not that I really give a happy you know what. BTW...does this mean that you are an expert super snooper, because i've already deciphered you're definitely not Muslim. Like Prophet Muhammad was quoted to have said by one of the companions; "...Anyone who acts other than Muslim is not one of us..."
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 6:13PM
A.B. Madyun
Irma Robinson...
Couldn't get online the last couple days because of technicalities, but just wanted to wish you a HAPPY BELATED MOTHER'S DAY YESTERDAY AND EACH AND EVERYDAY!!! THIS IS FOR YOU, CYNTHIA, AND ALL THE OTHER MOTHERS ON THIS SITE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE STRUGGLE OF RAISING CHILDREN, AS WELL AS ONE"S WHO HAVE NOT!!! AFTER ALL, AS A VERY WISE MAN ONCE SAID; "AN APPLE TREE IS STILL AN APPLE TREE EVEN THOUGH IT BEARS NO APPLES." IT TAKES A WHOLE VILLAGE TO RAISE ONE CHILD. THAT"S HOW IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY. THOUGH THINGS HAVE CHANGED INTO THESE MODERN TIMES, THAT FACT STILL REMAINS THE SAME. EVER WOMAN IS A MOTHER EVEN IF SHE NEVER BORE CHILDREN OF HER OWN. WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL YOURS AND MINE!!! (SMILE)
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 6:27PM
A.B. Madyun
thanks Madyun.... I was so caught up in Ms. Bride's blog on Naomi and Ruth....
And Happy B-lated Mother's Day for all of my BIA family
I think this Mother's Day was the bestest ever... I had my grandson, yes I'm a G-Mama! He's 5 years old and his name is Aiden Elige... this is our first time meeting and we have been having a blast!!.
Well ain't God Good.... he finally allowed me and my mother (especially) see her first great grand child!
RELIGIOUS BELIEF From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religious belief is the belief in the reality of the mythological, supernatural, or spiritual aspects of a religion. Religious belief is distinct from religious practice or religious behaviours with some believers not practicing religion and some practitioners not believing religion. Religious beliefs, being derived from ideas that are exclusive to religion, often relate to the existence, characteristics and worship of a deity or deities, divine intervention in the universe and human life, or the deontological explanations for the values and practices centered on the teachings of a spiritual leader or group. In contrast to other belief systems, religious beliefs are usually codified.
Universalism
Some believe that religion cannot be separated from other aspects of life, or believe that certain cultures did not or do not separate their religious activities from other activities in the same way that some people in modern Western cultures do. Some anthropologists[who?] report cultures in which gods are involved in every aspect of life - if a cow goes dry, a god has caused this, and must be propitiated, when the sun rises in the morning, a god has caused this, and must be thanked. Even in modern Western cultures, many people see supernatural forces behind every event, as described by Carl Sagan in his book The Demon-Haunted World.
People with this worldview often consider the influence of Western culture to be inimical. Others with this world view resist the influence of science, and believe that science, or "so-called science", should be guided by religion. Still others with this worldview believe that all political decisions and laws should be guided by religion. This last belief is written into the constitution of many Islamic nations, and is shared by some fundamentalist Christians. In addition, beliefs about the supernatural or metaphysical may not presuppose a difference between any such thing as nature and non-nature, nor between science and what the most educated people believe. In the view of some historians, the pre-Socratic Athenians saw science, political tradition, culture and religion as not easily distinguishable, but all part of the same body of knowledge and wisdom available to a community.
Orthodoxy
Main article: Orthodoxy (disambiguation) First used in the context of Early Christianity, orthodoxy is a term that refers to a religious belief that closely follows the edicts, apologies, and hermeneutics of a prevailing religious authority. In the case of Early Christianity, this authority was the communion of bishops, and is often referred to by the term [Magisterium]. The term orthodox was applied almost as an epithet to a group of Jewish believers who held to pre-Enlightenment understanding of Judaism and now known as Orthodox Judaism. The Eastern Orthodox Church of Christianity, as well as the Catholic Church, consider themselves to be the true heir to the Early Christian belief and practice. The antonym of orthodox is heterodox and those adhering to orthodoxy often accuse the heterodox of apostasy, schism, or heresy.
Fundamentalism
Main article: Religious fundamentalism
First self-applied as a term to the conservative doctrine outlined by anti-modernist Protestants in the United States of America,[3] fundamentalism as a religious belief is associated with a strict adherence to an interpretation of scriptures that are generally associated with theologically conservative positions or traditional understandings of the text and are distrustful of innovative readings, new revelation, or alternate interpretations. Religious fundamentalism has been identified in the media as being associated with fanatical or zealous political movements around the world that have used a strict adherence to a particular religious doctrine as a means to establish political identity and enforce societal norms.
Modernism/reform
The Renaissance and later the Enlightenment in Europe were associated with varying degrees of religious tolerance and intolerance towards new religious ideas. The Philosophes took particular exception to many of the more fantastical claims of religions and directly challenged religious authority and the prevailing beliefs associated with the established churches. In response to the liberalizing political and social movements, some religious groups attempted to integrate Enlightenment ideals of rationality, equality, and individual liberty into their belief systems, especially into the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Reform Judaism and Liberal Christianity are two examples of such religious associations.
Systemization
In Buddhism, practice and progress along the spiritual path happens when one follows the system of Buddhist practice. Any religion which follows (parts of) the fundamentals of this system has, according to the teachings of Buddha, good aspects to the extent it accords with this system. Any religion which goes against (parts of) the fundamentals of this system, includes bad aspects too. Any religion which does not teach certain parts of this system, is not because of this a 'bad' religion; it just lacks those teachings and is to that extent incomplete.
A question by the monk Subhadda to the Buddha: "O Gotama, there are Samanas (wandering monks) and Brahmanas (religious leaders) who are leaders of their sects, who are well-esteemed by many people, such as Purana Kassapa, Makkhali Gosala, Ajita Kesakambala, Pakudha Kaccayana, Sancaya Belatthaputta and Nigantha Nataputta. Do all of them have knowledge and understanding as they themselves have declared? Or do all of them have no knowledge and understanding?"
The reply by Buddha was:
"Subhadda, in whatever teaching is not found the Noble Eightfold Path, neither in it is there found a Samana of the first stage, nor a Samana of the second stage, nor a Samana of the third stage, nor a Samana of the fourth stage."
As a religious tradition, Hinduism has experienced many attempts at systemization. In medieval times, Shankara advocated for the Advaita system of philosophy. In recent times, Tamala Krishna Gosvami has researched the systemization of Krishna theology as expounded by Srila Prabhupada. (See Krishnology)
Superstition
Main article: Superstition
A term signifying derogation that is used by the religious and non-religious alike, superstition is the deprecated belief in supernatural causation. Those who deny the existence of the supernatural generally attribute all beliefs associated with it to be superstitious while a typical religious critique of superstition holds that it either encompasses beliefs in non-existent supernatural activity or that the supernatural activity is inappropriately feared or held in improper regard (see idolatry). Occultism, animism, paganism, and other folk religions were strongly condemned by Christian Churches as mean forms of superstition, though such condemnation did not necessarily eliminate the beliefs among the common people and many such religious beliefs persist to today.
Approaches to the beliefs of others
Adherents of particular religions deal with the differing doctrines and practices espoused by other religions in a variety ways. All strains of thought appear in different segments of all major world religions.
Pluralism
Main article: Religious pluralism
People with pluralist beliefs make no distinction between faith systems, viewing each one as valid within a particular culture. Examples include: Extracts from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (Sikh Holy Scriptures), "There is only the One Supreme Lord God; there is no other at all" (Pannaa 45). "By His Power the Vedas and the Puranas exist, and the Holy Scriptures of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions. By His Power all deliberations exist." (Pannaa 464). "Some call Him, 'Ram, Ram', and some call Him, 'Khudaa-i'. Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allaah'. ||1|| He is the Cause of causes, the Generous Lord. He showers His Grace and Mercy upon us amen." (Pannaa 885).
Syncretism
Main article: Syncretism
People with syncretistic views blend the views of a variety of different religions or traditional beliefs into a unique fusion which suits their particular experience and context (see eclecticism). Unitarian Universalism is an example of a syncretistic faith.
Exclusivism
See also: Exclusivism People with exclusivist beliefs typically explain other religions as either in error, or as corruptions or counterfeits of the true faith. This approach is a fairly consistent feature among smaller new religious movements that often rely on doctrine that claims a unique revelation by the founder or leaders, and consider it a matter of faith that the religion has a monopoly on truth. All three major Abrahamic monotheistic religions have passages in their holy scriptures that attest to the primacy of the scriptural testimony and indeed monotheism itself is often couched as an innovation characterized specifically by its explicit rejection of earlier polytheistic faiths.
Some exclusivist faiths incorporate a specific element of proselytization. This is a strongly held belief in the Christian tradition which follows the doctrine of the Great Commission, and is less emphasized by the Islamic faith where the Quranic edict "There shall be no compulsion in religion" (2:256) is often quoted as a justification for toleration of alternative beliefs, while the Jewish tradition is one that does not actively seek out converts. Exclusivism correlates with conservative, fundamentalist, and orthodox approaches of many religions while pluralistic and syncretist approaches either explicitly downplay or reject the exclusivist tendencies of the religion.
Inclusivism
People with inclusivist beliefs recognize some truth in all faith systems, highlighting agreements and minimizing differences. The attitude is sometimes associated with Interfaith dialogue or the Christian Ecumenical movement, though in principle such attempts at pluralism are not necessarily inclusivist and many actors in such interactions (for example, the Roman Catholic Church) still hold to exclusivist dogma while participating in inter-religious organizations.
Explicitly inclusivist religions include many that are associated with the New Age movement as well as modern reinterpretations of Hinduism and Buddhism. The Bahá'í Faith considers it doctrine that there is truth in all faith systems. Reasons for adherence to religious belief [edit]
See also: Existence of God Typical reasons for adherence to religion include the following: "Moral framework": Belief in God is seen by some to be necessary for moral behavior.[4] "Majesty and tradition": Many people consider religious practices to be serene, beautiful, and conducive to religious experiences, which in turn support religious beliefs.[5] "Community and culture": Organized religions promote a sense of community among their followers, and the moral and cultural common ground of these communities makes them attractive to people with the same values.[6] Indeed, while religious beliefs and practices are usually connected, some individuals with substantially secular beliefs still participate in religious practices for cultural reasons.
"Spiritual and psychological benefits": Each religion asserts that it is a means by which its adherents may come into closer contact with God, Truth, and Spiritual Power. They all promise to free adherents from spiritual bondage, and bring them into spiritual freedom. It naturally follows that a religion which frees its adherents from deception, sin, and spiritual death will have significant mental health benefits. Abraham Maslow's research after World War II showed that Holocaust survivors tended to be those who held strong religious beliefs (not necessarily temple attendance, etc.), suggesting it helped people cope in extreme circumstances. Humanistic psychology went on to investigate how religious or spiritual identity may have correlations with longer lifespan and better health. The study found that humans may particularly need religious ideas to serve various emotional needs such as the need to feel loved, the need to belong to homogeneous groups, the need for understandable explanations and the need for a guarantee of ultimate justice. Other factors may involve sense of purpose, sense of identity, sense of contact with the divine. See also Man's Search for Meaning, by Victor Frankl, detailing his experience with the importance of religion in surviving the Holocaust. Critics assert that the very fact that religion was the primary selector for research subjects may have introduced a bias, and that the fact that all subjects were holocaust survivors may also have had an effect. According to Larson et al. (2000), "[m]ore longitudinal research with better multidimensional measures will help further clarify the roles of these [religious] factors and whether they are beneficial or harmful."[7]
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 6:56PM
A.B. Madyun
To every people did We appoint rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food). But your god is One God: submit then your wills to Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,- ( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #34)
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our god and your god is one; and it is to Him we bow in Islam (submission to G_d's will)." ( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #46)
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 7:05PM
A.B. Madyun
Can anything other than good come from good? Can anything be reaped from evil except evil?
On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith." ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #286)
Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things." ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #76)
Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an messenger (to give warning). ( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #15)
We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious. ( سورة الكهف , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #54)
If any one does a righteous deed, it ensures to the benefit of his own soul; if he does evil, it works against (his own soul). In the end will ye (all) be brought back to your Lord. ( سورة الجاثية , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #15)
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 7:13PM
A.B. Madyun
Cynthia Merrill Artis...
You are so very welcome, my dear sustuh!!!! (SMILE)
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 7:21PM
A.B. Madyun
And Cynthia, Miisrael, Siebra, Jen... To all the BIA mothers... As Robert has said, everyday is Mothers Day, and I wish you all continued happy Mothers Day!
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 9:15PM
Steve Williams
thanks Steve!!
Aklrite Brotha Madyun.... I see you are teaching! Educate, Educate Educate™ (Irma, 2013)
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 9:36PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Rule of thumb...as far as the historical record is concerned when referreing to the Bible or the Koran you are in fantasy land....PERIOD. Due to our 'historical lobotomy' peformed on us by white people this is the hardest thing for Black people to process.
We can start from any juncture youre most comfortable with....the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Torah (ie. the Tanakh aka the Miqra, aka the Chumash aka the Masoretic Text aka the Hebrew Bible, Koran Pentateuch... whatever)....doesn't matter...it's all the same to me.
Black people....we mix apples and oranges and wonder why we get acid reflex. Rejecting something and debating something are two different things. I acknowledge the exisence of the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS), I don't reject their existence.....I debate their plausibility and their authenticity. There's a contradistinction to be made here. Were talking scholrship now and this is where black people must become much more formiddable and tenacious. Hiding behind ideology is an ethereal escape hatch.Need to up you knowledge and not depend on one book that has been rewritten or a copy cat of another religion ! NO NO NO NO MATTER how good it sounds or manes you feel its all STOLEN FROM THE LITERATURE OF ANCIENT EGYPT (the stone and the papyrus literature). Why so you think the the Pyramid Text are the oldest religious literature on this planet?
Anyone taking a precursory look at my previous post can plainly see I am not debating the man of a fictitious person; I am successfully attesting to his NON EXISTENCE. Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad's life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad's existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus.
Since Islam is one of the world's fastest growing religions, through conversion but mostly through reproduction, there is a tremendous need to address this subject, which, because of crazed Islamic fanatics, strikes fear in the hearts of many non-Muslims. Competing with Christianity, with some 270 million people dead in its name Islam represents one of the bloodiest and most repressive ideologies that humankind has yet come up with.
While this 1.8 billion figure seems to be high for the present, according to various predictions and stated Islamist goals Islam will sweep the world, but, contrary to the best wishes of some of its adherents, this invasion will not be peaceful. It would be safe to say that few non-Muslims would like to see this world taken over by Islam, which, along with Christianity, represents the worst of Oriental despotism. Many futurists and visionaries would like to see this planet pry itself free of religions, especially those stuck in the Dark Ages. Indeed, to those who enjoy the ultimate freedom of expression, these predictions and predations are chilling, because Islam is a fervid theocracy with little room for individuality, not to mention that it utterly denigrates the female aspect of creation.
This repression of the female is sadly ironic when one considers the roots of Islam, but it is not unexpected in a world that, for the past several thousand years, has done everything within its power to subjugate women simply because of physical differences, a male-domination need shared with the apes and other "lesser beasts." While some may claim that this subjugation and enslavement of women is a cultural tradition, rather than a religious one, it matters not, for it comes hand-in-hand with religions which teach that there is some separate outerspace god who is exclusively male. In Islam, this god is interpreted through the minds of Muslims as being an Arab or Persian man, as opposed to the Jewish man of the Judeo-Christian ideology. This racist, ethnocentric, culturally bigoted and s*xist interpretation of any "infinite" god would appear to be absolute nonsense. Yet, in what seems to be supreme arrogance and megalomania, many individuals would like the entire world to believe it is true.
What are the origins of Islam? Well, the Muslim religion is obviously built upon the Judeo-Christian tradition, but it is also a reaction to said tradition, which excluded and vilified the various Arab cultures. Like their Jewish brothers and sisters, the Semitic Arabs trace their lineage to the biblical patriarch Abraham, who is depicted in the Bible as having mated with Hagar the Egyptian, producing the progenitor of the Arab race, Ishmael. While the Jewish contingent interprets this tale to justify its own ethnocentric ideology, Muslims interpret it to fit theirs, claiming that "God" would make of Ishmael's people a "great nation" (Gen 21:18). Typically, instead of searching for the truth about this tale, its proponents have turned it into a political competition for global domination.
Organized Religion is nothing more than a form of Mass Control !!!! In fact it's the Earliest for of Mass Control. Wake Up people!!! Find Your Own Path to God. I am spiritual , I worship in spirit IF a religion is in place then i need a format ,a man man element to get to GOD call religion !
Here's a BLACK MAN of Egyptology, Cheik Anta Diop:
"The typically negroid features of the Pharaohs (Narmer, First Dynasty, the actual founder of the Pharaonic line; Zoser, Third dynasty,; Cheops, the builder of the Great pyramid, a Cameroon type; Menthuhotep, founder of the Eleventh Dynasty, VERY BLACK; Sesostris I; Queen Ahmosis Nefertari; and Amenophis I) show that all classes of the Egyptian society BELONGED TO THE SAME BLACK RACE."
GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (U.N.E.S.C.O.) (Ancient Civilizations of Africa II) (Abridged ed. copyright 1981 publ.1990; Chapt.1 pg.17 para.8) United Nations Educational Scientific & Cultural Organization International Scientific Committee for the Drafting of a General history of Africa
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"A review of studies covering the biological relationship of the ancient Egyptians was undertaken. An overview of the data from the studies suggests that the MAJOR biological affinities of early southern Egyptians lay with TROPICAL AFRICANS."
Shomarka Keita M.D., DPhil. Physician and anthropologist.National Human Genome Center and the Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution.
Keita is a Black Man and at the top of his field.... I don't need 'white Egyptoloists'. I just so happen to have them....and they echoe nothing different then the Black ones ie. Theophile Obenga, Cheik Anta Diop, Dr Mario Beatty and others.
Black Consciousness is an attitude of the mind and a way of life, the most positive call to emanate from the black world for a long time. Its essence is the realisation by the black man of the need to rally together with his brothers around the cause of their oppression - the blackness of their skin - and to operate as a group to rid themselves of the shackles that bind them to perpetual servitude."
And ye Shall know the Truth and the Truth Shall Make You Free." Holy Bible, John 8:32.
According to Ghanian writer and researcher Nana Banchie Darkwah, "Black Afrikans of ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible and the Catholic Church is hiding and supressing this truth."
In his book titled, The Africans who wrote the Bible-Ancient secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told, (2002), the author emphatically states that, "the worst lie and sin of the church was the premeditated transformation of the racial and ethnic identities of Jesus Christ, his mother and the entire people of the Bible from the Black people they were to White people, to satisfy emerging European racist sentiments against Black people."
First of all, for one to understand the truth of the above statement and accept it as a fact, that Black Afrikans of Ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible, thus, one must dispel the erroneous notion and fabricated lies that Christian Europe, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, have done in painting the ancient Egyptians as pagans, devils, and heathens.
Also, one must understand that Christian Europe's and the Catholic Church's motives for attacking Ancient Egypt in such negative vein, is due to the fact that Ancient Egyptian High priests were the Scribes who wrote what we come to know today as the Holy Bible. As a master-teacher H.M. Maulana points out: "Ancient Egypt from its pre-dynastic period up to its Golden Age of Pyramid building was an unadulterated predominantly Black race of people (3500-2100 B.C.E.).
The descendants of these Ancient Egyptians are living throughout Sub-Saharan Afrika, today, particularly in the nations of Ghana, Nigeria, and Cote d'Ivoire." The very first "Bible", or "Scroll" on record produced by man, with regards to paying honour and divine respect to a "Creator of all Mankind" was that of the Afrikan people of the Nile Valley in Ancient Kemet (Egypt) and Great Lakes regions of Central, East, and Northern Afrika.
The book was called by its Afrikan Creators and developers, The Book of the Coming Forth by Day and Night. It was translated from its original Medu Netcher text into the English language by several Europeans since the latter part of the 19th century A.D. The easiest one to read is called, The Egyptian Book of the Dead. This work was translated by British Egyptologist, Sir Ernest A. Wallis Budge. This original Bible was produced by Black Afrikans approximately 3,400 years before the Old Testament and more than 4,200 years before the New Testament, and countless versions of it have been written and published. According to Darkwah, the "Ancient Egyptians cross is the earliest and most sacred symbol of religion.
Egyptologists who believe they have successfully deciphered Ancient Egyptian Medu Netcher say it is called the Ankh, which means 'Life'." The meaning is correct, however, that is not what the Ancient Egyptians called it. The language from which this word originated is Akan and it actually means Life. This symbol was the Ancient Egyptians' sacred religious symbol that reinforced the cross on which Jesus was crucified,as a sacred Christian symbol. How did this happen?
The early Christian Church of Ancient Egypt adopted the Nkwa symbol as the symbol of their Church and called it Crux Ansata. From here, it was taken to Rome and there it became a Christian symbol with only a slight variation in design. The symbol of Nwka was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy King of Ancient Egypt, whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun or King Tut.
He ruled from 1336-1327B.C.E. Nana Darkwah suggests that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa, and Ibo. However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt sincethe majority of Ancient Egyptian Kings had Akan names. He also asserts that, "the early apostolic fathers of Christianity and the Church knew of many things they did not want the Christian masses to know about the background history, content, and people of the Bible."
As a result, the very design of Christianity was based upon protecting the Holy Bible from the lay masses. Until the reformation in the 15th century A.D., therefore, the Holy Bible was secretly guarded and its content was known to only a few in the Church. Because of the perceived need to protect the Holy Bible from the masses, the earliest design and practice of Christianity was based upon placing a cadre of priests between the Holy Bible and the people.
The Afrikan origin of Christianity was common knowledge among western scholars and early apolistic fathers of the Church long before the European Renaissance. This was common knowledge known by the Aryan-Whites in the past and is still known, today.
There have been numerous European scholars who have known and written about the falsehoods, fabrications, and false assumptions in the foundations of Christianity. One such European-American researcher and writer was Gerald Massey, who in his book titled The Natural Genesis: A Book of the Beginnings(1883), called the story and practice of Euro-Christianity: "the legendary lying love." Moreover, in The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalistic Ideasin Europe, Leon Poliakov revealed that, "knowledge of the people of the Bible as Black people was common in Europe and in early European scholarship. "James Cowles, by far the most popular anthropologists of the first half of the19th century, elaborated around 1810 implying that "Adam and Eve were Black." And in 1836 a renowned British orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higgins, wrote, The Anaclypsis. Or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions.
He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as His mother, are described in their old pictures to be Black (peoples). The infant God in the arms of His Black mother, his eyes and drapery white, is himself perfectly Black." In 1875, Kersey Graves wrote a book titled The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" in which he pointed out from clear evidence in Europe that" Jesus was Black and the people of the Bible were originally Black people."
He wrote as follows: There is as much evidence that the Christian Savior was a Black man, or at least a dark man, as there is of him being the son of the Virgin Mary or that he once lived or moved upon the earth. And that evidence is the testimony of his disciples, who had nearly as good an opportunity of knowing what His complexion was as the evangelists who omit to say anything about it. In the pictures and portraits of Christ by early Christians, He is uniformly represented as being Black." Furthermore, he continues: "The statue of St. Peter inside St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy is a Black man. St. Peter was a Black man.
Thus, Jesus' last words before His execution was that a Black man has the keys to Heaven." According to H.M. Maulana, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown their hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black Afrikan origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe. Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Afrikans, thus, the knowledge and reality that theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans.
The fact of the matter is that the racist and extremist European has always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Afrikans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own other than what came up "out of Afrika", Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity, and jealousy against the so-called Jewish people and Afrikans.
Also, this fermented ill-feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. According to Darkwah: "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of Blacks and Jews in human history." In the final analysis, Afrikan people must know that the "Aryan-White (European) tradition, Apolistic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500years, trying to disconnect Black Afrikans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt."
In essence, then, and in the tradition of European supremacy, "what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by high-jacking Ancient Egypt is as follows: Kill the Messenger (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the 'Message' of the messenger for themselves"-that is, the Holy Bible. The main purpose of European scholarship supremacy is "to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this great civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race."
However, the late Dr. Chekh Anta Diop (the modern-day Imhotep), capsulises the dire attempt by the Aryan-White race to "white-wash" Ancient Egypt as follows: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt is like trying to drown a fish in the ocean."
Shem Hotep ("I go in peace").
Dr. Nantambu is an Associate Professor, Dept. of Pan-African Studies, Kent State University, U.S.A.
NEVER FORGET what you have read here....you must understand the implications of this when you look into the eyes of a black child, who has been taught (as you were) that his or her history began with animism, fetishes, Chrisianity, witchcraft, Islam and or Judaism ie. Paganism in a land of 'savages'. Let's see together what this land of 'savages' GAVE TO THE WORLD.....IN BC TIMES!!! READ THIS TO YOUR CHILDREN.
Monday, May 13th 2013 at 10:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Dr. Walter Williams - History of Christianity & Islam
(Reprinted form the Muslim Journal 5-16-08 to 6-27-08)
The Temples Of Islam
Imam W. Deen Mohammed
As-Salaam-Alaikum. To our Radio Listen Audience, we are very pleased that we are able to be present here today for this live broadcast. The theme or topic is the Meeting of Science and Religion is Occurring to Dispel Myths.
I remember my father being given a tape. I was put out of the Nation of Islam or put out of the Temple for questioning the idea of G-d that we all were identified with. I had been put out once already, and some of the believers in the Temple heard me on the radio being interviewed by an African American Christian sister.
BURDENS of MYTHS
She was asking me of what kind of concerns I had. And I said to her, "I am writing a book." She asked me what was it about? And I said, "It is on the burden of myth on the American people."
Believe me, that audience I am sure did not respond like my father responded, when they played that tape in his presence. He would not hear it until I was present.
I was present on a Sunday, as we normally would go from the Temple or wherever we were to the house of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, along with staff people, to hear him comment to his staff and officials on matters he thought he should bring to our attention at the dinner table.
We had finished with the meal and coffee was being served and he said to me, "Son, we want to play that tape." I never got scared, because I never intentionally did any wrong. And if I have not intentionally done any wrong, what should I fear? Nothing.
The consequences good or bad will be good for me. If I have done good and I'm not guilty and I'm a good person, and G-d loves me and I love Him, I have nothing to fear.
If you throw me in the fire, the fire will be good for me -if that is what G-d wants. So my father said, "Play that tape."
So my nephew and the grandson of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was a very faithful servant to my father in his older years and when he was sickly. He was the one my father told to get the tape and to play it.
The Supreme Captain was there and the Assistant Supreme Captain. The regular house and office staff was there, those secretaries who worked directly with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. And my mother was there and normally always there sitting at the far end of the table.
They played the tape and my father heard me speak about myths being a burden on the people. It said "mythological gods" - those were my exact words.
"MY SON'S GOT IT!"
I said, "Mythological gods is the burden on the American people." My father had been sickly and everyone was thinking we should go easy with him. He wasn't acting sick and looked strong, health wise. I think he was enjoying his better days at that particular time.
At one point, he stands up, and I mean better than I can stand up right now because of my little back problem. He stands up at the table and he said, "My son's got it!" Those were his exact words.
I am wondering what he is talking about and what impressed him so much for him to say, "I got it." It took me some time to understand what he was saying. I thought of it as conversation and knew it was conversation in deep water. It was not playful for children, to talk about mythological gods.
He looked at my mother while still standing and she was sitting, and he said, "Clara, isn't this what we wanted?" And she smiled and nodded her head.
So what I am coming to you today with is really a continuation of that interest that I had to inquire into the nature of our culture to see just where that came from and what it is made of and where the problem is.
COMING TOGETHER of RELIGION and SCIENCE
We are hearing on the news and in educational publications and in regular magazines that come out like TIME and other magazines, we are hearing about the coming together of religion and science. Religion and science are being recognized now as not being against each other but belonging to each other.
With this occurrence, myths are being dispelled. That which we could not understand before in the culture as myth or tied directly to myth is now being uncovered and now being understood, gradually.
But most of us are not even familiar with what is going on, because we are not situated in society to be in touch with such occurrences or such happenings. These things pass by the great majority of the people, and even the great majority of the educated people.
That is exactly what is happening - the meeting of science and religion, where religion is beginning to express its scientific composition and scientific design. Certainly, it is spiritual, but the spiritual has to be established. And the spiritual cannot be established, unless it is through the material.
G-d made Adam, and he was existing according to Genesis already, so He made him for a second time. And when He made him for the second time, He gave him a female mate, so he would bear children on earth and have a future on earth. And he could not do that without utilizing the material reality.
G-d told him that He made all the things that had been formed or created by G-d to be of use and utility to Adam and the future human beings on this earth, the descendants of Adam.
THE WORD "BLACK"
The word "black" as given in Islam should be understood by Muslims, especially in America, where "white" and "black" have become troubling language. It has been going on now for well over 300 years. And even after gaining Civil Rights and full rights of citizenship, this problem continues -white and black.
Obviously, we are not using this language correctly. We are doing it unintentionally or intentionally. We are not using this language correctly that identifies one people as white and the other as black.
The word "black" is given in Islam, and we are going to discuss that and try to understand it.
Nation of Islam Temples in North America - I am using that language, because all of it have a lot to do with Nation of Islam presence in the United States of America.
The Nation of Islam Temple language used back then influenced many who were identifying as Negroes and Colored people to change and identify themselves as Blacks or black people.
THE TERM "BLACK"
The dictionary meaning for the term "black" will connect with science, religion and also with informal language. However, we cannot go to the dictionary and find the explanation "in religion" for the term "black."
It is felt that the term black was made popular in America by the religious following of Elijah Poole Muhammad, and I said Poole to recognize his family roots.
So we have an obligation to acquaint ourselves with the meaning for Islam and publish the meaning in North America where the term "black" gained popularity, because of the teachings and work of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.
"Islam," the religion of humanity, "is the religion of the Black man." That is what we were taught in the Nation of Islam, by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, the student of Professor Fard, the one he called "G-d or Allah in the person...."
DON'T CONDEMN BEFORE STUDY
It is important that we not condemn before studying Fard's language and researching this word, "black." A quick look at what is understood to be Islam throughout the world is what we have to recognize.
When we look at that and what is the definition of Islam, then the Nation of Islam and the world community of Muslims were at odds and further apart than the church was from the Islam that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad presented.
We were closer to the church as a religious people than we were to true Islam as practiced by Muslims throughout the world. There was a reason for that, and as I said don't be quick to condemn. So we want to have a quick look at what is understood to be Islam throughout the world.
JUSTIFYING WHITE SUPREMACY
We also want to examine what some religionists have used to justify White Supremacy: Hints of racism in religious myth, the deity of Rama, and Noah's three sons. In the Far East, Rama has influenced the way Far Easterners look at us.
In America, the story of the three sons of Noah has influenced the way the White church looks at us.
Islam's definition for the term black as applied in religion, let us look at that seriously. "The Browning of America" is a caption that appeared some time ago on the cover of EBONY Magazine.
During the campaign for the office of President of these United States, a CNN special on Black America has gone out to millions in this country and overseas.
DISPELLING OPPRESSIVE MYTHS
One would think that this special was supporting two Americas — one Black and one White. Black America, it said, these people who are of the same race as Obama, represent one America. Obviously, the conclusion is that the Whites represent the other.
Being that Obama identifies as a Black man and is identified as a Black man by CNN and the media and the American people, this Black man is conducting the most impressive campaign ever — by Democrats and Republicans.
Being that Obama is identified by the media as a Black man and in that particular picture as one campaigning for the office of the United States, this wording chosen by this CNN special could be saying something about the nature of the American people.
At this point, we would like to address the American people as a people of faith in Allah and as a liberator of humanity. We know the ugly America, but what I am addressing now is America the Beautiful.
The meeting of science and religion is occurring to dispel oppressive myth. I said it in that tape many years ago that the Hon. Elijah Muahmmad had them play where I could hear what I was going to be charged with, where I spoke about mythological gods.
ABRAHAM REFUSED AUTHORITY of PHARAOH OVER G-D
One of the pharaohs of Ancient Egypt was a great ruler and no one could disagree with him without taking the great risk of being killed or driven out of Egypt. On the Prophet be Peace, Prophet Abraham refused to recognize the authority of the pharaoh over the Authority of Allah.
Pharaoh placed himself above Abraham's respect for Divine Authority. Pharaoh's position was that Egypt was like no other place on earth, and Abraham would not be able to find knowledge, science and guidance for his mind and heart in any other place.
Pharaoh's attitude caused him to see Abraham as a lost soul without guidance. Abraham disagreed. Speaking to Pharaoh, Abraham said, and I am giving you a quote from the Qur'an: "The one who created me will guide me." This Pharaoh has been preserved in history as a lesson to worshippers.
Quoting again from our Holy Book, "Who then is more oppressive than him who fabricates a lie on Allah to have the people go about ignorantly in error? Certainly, Allah does not guide the society of oppressors." (Qur'an, chapter 6, verse 141)
Continuing to question religious myth and a look at the major religions in prophecies, this is the end of time that we are living in right now.
The sacred word personified, along with its anatomy of bones, has come into America with the People of the Book, the Jews and Christians, and has been followed by the Muslims whose Book is the Qur'an.
Knowledge without understanding is as a social issue of bones without any meat on them. A Bible quote: "Son of Man, can these dry bones live again? Prophesy to the four winds...."
Back to the Holy Temples of Islam in the Wilderness of North America. A wilderness is where there is a lot of wild life. Quoting from the Temple Lessons: "You must learn how to put your mathematical theology in its proper terms."
This comes from the Lessons and Workbooks and assignments to the members or students of the Nation of Islam under Mr. Fard for the first three years and there after under the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.
MY HEART REFUSED TO ENGAGE CONTRADICTIONS
Like some members in the Temple of Islam, following my heart, my heart refused to have my mind engage bold flagrant contradictions charged to divine, to G-d, to divine order and authority. In time, my desire to have it right drove out sentimental-ism and to have reason serve my need for a better understanding.
Teachings that I previously did not favor in the Nation of Islam were now getting my attention. Some say, "You should have favored everything." But how many of you all favored everything?
You favored the Hon. Elijah Muhammad saying that the Black man was superior to the White man. You favored the Hon. Elijah Muhammad saying that you had been deceived by the White devil.
You favored a lot of things, but I never saw too many trying to explain Yakub's History. Teachings that I previously did not favor were now getting my attention.
For example: Blacks made the devil. "Oh, you don't have it quite right. Yakub made the devil." But the same papers that said Yakub made the devil also said that Yakub was a Black man.
The Black man is all righteous." I am giving you what we were taught. The Nation of Islam teachings were fraught with loaded, boldly presented contradictions. We can't deny that; it was done intentionally to wake us up one day.
Another quote that goes with that time and Lesson material: "The White race is a race of devils." That is one the Hon. Elijah Muhammad used a lot, and he said it like he meant it. Another from that teachings is, "They are born devils."
LESSONS CAME FROM MR. FARD
Professor Fard chose to do his work among poor Black Americans by presenting himself as "the son of man"; those were his own words. If Mr. Fard was ever approached by anybody to answer for saying that, and I knew him very well and I know him very well -although the history records would say we never met....
He would not admit he said that and would pass that off as a joke or something, but he did say that. He went further and said i that we were brought here by the slave traders and deprived of all knowledge of our past. And that there was no way of any help coming to us or help did not come to us, until "the coming of the son of man in the person of W. D. Fard."
That is the Lessons that we received back then and they came from Professor Fard himself. So we know he intended for us to see him as the "son of man."
RESEARCH ON SATIRIST
My father was not a person who supported people going to church. And my mother was a strong church person. And the father of my father was a preacher having his own congregation.
He became known as Wali later on, but his name was William Poole. He became known in the Temple of Islam as Wali Muhammad and many called him "Father," because he was the father of my father. The believers called him Father Muhammad.
For the general audience or for the White world, the role Fard chose was the role of a satirist. What is a satirist? I did some research and not just in the dictionary. In myth, a satirist is a creature of the wild.
In reference to literature, a satirist is one who ridicules the world he is living in. Or he designs language to really attack and hurt the world he lives in, but he always hides himself and hides also his work. So when you read it, you will take it just for fun or as an exciting novel or something.
When you understand what he is addressing with his metaphors and his allegorical language, when you come to understand it, you will see that he is dissatisfied with the political order at the time or with other things happening in the world at the time of his writing. (Cont.d)
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 2:34AM
A.B. Madyun
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #41)
And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #89)
When it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, "they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?" ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #91)
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,- ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #97)
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #3)
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #46)
To thee (O' Muhammad) We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #48)
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 2:54AM
A.B. Madyun
WHY DO PEOPLE ARGUE ON THE INTERNET?
Answer:
They need attention and control. They lack maturity, etc. It's just how some lonely people are. Some people have a low self worth and by putting down others and picking others apart it makes them somehow feel superior, and in control, when in actuality it only makes them appear weak.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 3:01AM
A.B. Madyun
MOM NO WORRIES ALL IS GOOD ,you know i like to talk about religion ,I promised CHRISTINA i would keep the light of truth on !
This debate is for those that want to be enlighten from the perspectives that have been presented ,as we all know history / historical scholarship will over shadow his/their -story !
His head didn't hurt anymore, but his fingers made small, soothing circles on his temple and the ghost of pain made him squint one eye closed as he read:
O you, who restores memory in the mouth of the dead through the words of power, which they possess, let my mouth be opened through the words of power, which I possess. (The Book of Coming Forth By Day or, The Egyptian Book of the Dead)
He wrote:
Tehuty, known to the Greeks as Thoth, gave voice to the world, language to speak knowledge, writing, medicine, architecture, magic ritual. In the Egyptian religion, there are two principles of creation: light and sound. Ra, the light, is the manifestation of God's creative impulse in the world. Sound, the word, is the means of that manifestation, God's need to be known bodied forth in the universe through the breath that gives us speech. The mouth is the symbol of reason, and of the power to make something from nothing.
The prayer of the dead is a yearning for the power of words, the power to make the self anew.
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She was named Tehuty-et at birth because she opened her mouth at the same time as her eyes and howled so loudly that the midwife almost let her plump, slick body slip from her hands. Her mother laughed through the sweat and the tears and said, "That is the voice of creation."
The name, of course, was ludicrously grand for a potter's child, but she bore it well and even earned it, in her own mind, at least: at the age of five she would mold men from her father's clay and send them into battle to win the territory of the hearth, but not before making them bow low and repeat her laws: listen to the sand; don't look Ra in the face; eat all that you are given.
At seven, she found a stick and smooth sand and began to fashion there what she saw in the world around her: the crocodile, the ibis, the round circle of Ra in the sky, and most of all, the spiraling form of the serpent. Seeing this, Nemen-tet, the old woman, called her close to her corner where she sold charms and herbs and stories told in the stones she scattered with her withered hand. She told Tehuty-et that she was named for the great primordial who brought language to the world. The spiral serpent that was one of his signs was the spirit of creative sound uncoiling and flowing through the three worlds: Ta, the earth; Dwat, the netherworld of shadows; and Nut, the heavens of perfected souls. And so the serpent became Tehuty-et's favourite form and she worked it into the ground yefetteh flour in the pestle, the braid of her hair, anything that would keep the word, make it real. She grew superstitious about it, believed that she was making her self as Tehuty, her namesake, had made the world to know itself in the first days.
Until one day, her mother caught her scratching symbols into the dried mud at the shop door, and she beat her soundly for seeking the forbidden. Nemen-tet was beaten, too, for corrupting the children, and she was no longer to be found sitting in her corner at the market with her rows of charms and little pouches of magic herbs.
So, at the age of ten, Tehuty-et found other ways to speak words of making, looking up through her lashes, smiling coyly, molding men from the boys who loitered around the shop, and sending them into battle to win the trophy of her fleeting black gaze or her laugh of approval. But, at night, on her palette in her father's shop, she would lie on her side and slowly trace the coiled serpent into her palm, its tail spiraling out and out like waves on a still pool. The serpent of creation, of knowledge, of immortality.
When, at the age of fourteen, she finally came face to face with her namesake, flanked by his Ibis-headed Jaffa with their heavy, bronzed breastplates and their staff weapons, she was deeply disappointed. She let him turn her left and right so he could inspect her naked body, her thin arms and small, new breasts. She let him tip her head back so he could look at her teeth. She let him run his hands across her skin, through her black hair. She let him because the Jaffa watched silently, because she was his subject, because there was nowhere to run. When she looked up at him through her lashes, he let a sigh slip out between his thin, dry lips, and she knew that, though he was a god, he was also a man. And, she was sorry to admit, he was rather pompous and stupid.
But when she saw the serpent coiled in the elaborate flask, when it rose up and looked at her with its red eyes, she was earnestly impressed.
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Jack ran a finger along the wall of the cell, across the raised hieroglyphs that surrounded the door. "Daniel," he said conversationally, "How come you never read the walls?"
Daniel raised his head and opened his eyes, squinting a little. "What?"
Jack kicked at the door experimentally, and finding it to be as solid as it was the last time he'd kicked it experimentally, he grunted resignedly and turned to look at Daniel who was sprawled on the sleeping shelf. The bruising over his eye and across his jaw was stark and black in the bright light and it made Jack want to kick the door again. "The walls. I've seen you cream your jeans over three squiggles on a broken pot, but goa'uld walls, they're covered with writing and you never read them."
"Oh," Daniel sighed and lay back again with his arm over his eyes. "That's because they don't say anything."
"You're kidding."
"No, I'm not kidding." Daniel's words were still slurred, or maybe they were more slurred, which was not good at all. And his chest was rising and falling slowly as he slipped into sleep. Also not good.
"But these hieroglyphs, they're words, right?" Daniel didn't answer so Jack walked over and nudged him with his knee. "Right?"
"Sort of." His voice was a tired swath of breath, not even creased by the irritation he should have been feeling, what with Jack's knee bouncing with agitation next to his ribcage. Jack jabbed him again, prodding an explanation out of him. "Some of them are syllables. Some are more complex than that." He breathed deeply and was silent awhile before going on. "Arranged properly they express sophisticated ideas. But these don't."
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. Genesis 1:1-5 - KJV Qur'an:
Praise be God, Who created the heavens and the earth, and made the darkness and the light. Yet those who reject Faith hold (others) as equal, with their Guardian-Lord. Qur'an 6:1 And We appoint the night and the day two portents. Then We make dark the portent of the night, and We make the portent of the day sight-giving, that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the computation of the years, and the reckoning; and everything have We expounded with a clear expounding. Qur'an 17:12 [edit]Genesis 1:2 Bible:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2 - KJV Qur'an:
And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, Qur'an 11:7 [edit]Genesis 1:6-8 Bible:
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:6-8 - KJV Qur'an:
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? Qur'an 21:30 [edit]Genesis 1:12 Bible:
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, Genesis 1:12 - KJV Qur'an:
And the earth - We have spread it forth and made in it firm mountains and caused to grow in it of every suitable thing. Qur'an 15:19 [edit]Psalms 104:19 Bible:
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19 -KJV Qur'an:
It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did God create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. Qur'an 10:5 [edit]Genesis 1:31 Bible:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31 - KJV Qur'an:
Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. The Beneficent! Ask anyone informed concerning Him!
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) will say on the Day of Resurrection:
O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so had fallen ill and you visited him not? Did you not know that had you visited him you would have found Me with him? O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so asked you for food and you fed him not? Did you notknow that had you fed him you would surely have found that (the reward for doing so) with Me? O son of Adam, I asked you to give Me to drink and you gave Me not to drink. He will say: O Lord, how should I give You to drink when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: My servant So-and-so asked you to give him to drink and you gave him not to drink. Had you given him to drink you would have surely found that with Me.
It was related by Muslim. (Source)
In the Gospel we read that Jesus spoke the following words about his second coming and the judgment of the nations:
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by MY FATHER; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Matthew 25:31-46
The foregoing shows how possible it was for Muhammad to take material from Paul and pass it off as revelation he had received from God. We leave it to the authors to try and get out of the mess they created by their assault on the inspired and beloved Apostle of the risen Christ.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/... The origin of Islam is generally accredited to the prophet Muhammad but to the devout Muslim, Islam began long before Muhammad ever walked the earth. The Qur'an was dictated by Muhammad but, according to the Qur'an, it did not originate with Muhammad. The Qur'an testifies of itself that it was given by God through the angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad. "This is a revelation from the Lord of the universe. The Honest Spirit (Gabriel) came down with it, to reveal it into your heart that you may be one of the warners, in a perfect Arabic tongue" (Sura 26:192-195). "Say, 'Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (the Qur'an) into your heart, in accordance with God's will, confirming previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers'" (Sura 2:97). The Origin of Islam: The "Previous Scriptures" The origin of Islam is controversial. The "previous scriptures" mentioned above are the Hebrew Torah, the Psalms of David, and the Gospels of Jesus Christ (Sura 4:163; 5:44-48). The Qur'an accepts these books as divinely inspired and even encourages us to test its claims by these "previous scriptures." "If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture" (Sura 10:94). But this is where we run into a problem. The problem is that the Qur'an thoroughly contradicts the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels. For example, the Qur'an explicitly denies Jesus Christ's crucifixion (Sura 4:157-158) while all four Gospel accounts clearly portray Jesus Christ as crucified and resurrected.
One contradiction in particular has caused a great deal of conflict between Muslims and ethnic Jews and is thought to have been and continues to be the cause of much bloodshed in the Middle East. According to the Hebrew Torah, God made a covenant with a man named Abraham. God promised Abraham a child through whom He would fulfill this covenant ("the child of promise," Genesis 15). Abraham was at that time childless. His wife, Sarah, was barren. This of course made the promise very special to Abraham. But it would require nothing less than a miracle. Sarah, conscious of her condition, decided to help God out. She offered her maidservant Hagar to Abraham with the hope that Hagar might conceive and bear the child of promise. Abraham agreed to take Hagar as his concubine. She conceived and bore Ishmael (Genesis 16). God allowed Ishmael to be born but Ishmael was not the child of promise God had in mind (Genesis 17). God promised a child through Sarah, not Hagar (Genesis 17-18), and in due time God fulfilled His promise. "And the Lord visited Sarah as He had said, and the Lord did for Sarah as He had spoken. For Sarah conceived and bore Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. And Abraham called the name of his son who was born to him-whom Sarah bore to him-isaac." (Genesis 21:1-3) Isaac was the child of promise. Isaac later begot Jacob, the father of the twelve tribes of Israel, and the Messiah, Jesus Christ, eventually came into the world through the nation of Israel, fulfilling the covenant which God had made with Abraham. God also promised to give the land of Canaan (Palestine) to Isaac's descendants, the land which Israel possesses today (Genesis 12:4-7; 13:12-18; 15:1-21; 17:1-22; 21:1-14; 25:19-26; 26:1-6; 35:9-12).
The problem is that the Qur'an teaches that Ishmael was the child of promise (Sura 19:54; compare Sura 37:83-109 with Genesis 22:1-19) and so Muslims believe that God's covenant promises were meant for Ishmael's descendants, not Isaac's. Muhammad descended from Ishmael and so Muslims seek to lay claim to these covenant promises, namely the land of Palestine. Since Israel's U.N.-sanctioned return to Palestine in 1948 there has been unceasing hostility between Israel and her Arab neighbors, with major armed conflicts in 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973-74, and 1982. That Israel remains today is a miracle in-and-of itself.
The Qur'an claims "To thee we sent a scripture in truth, confirming the scripture which came before it and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah has revealed..." (S5:51) However it may come as a surprise to discover that many stories in the Qur'an which appear to be historical facts do not come from any scriptures held as divine by the Jews and Christians but from legends and myths circulating in Arabia before the time of Muhammad.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 4:04AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I believe in true studying of all books to get the real knowledge of truth
you will know the TRUTH and the ''TRUTH '' WILL SET YOU FREE ,,,,IN ALL YOU GETTING ,,,GET UNDERSTANDING !
SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL SLAVES TO RELIGION !
There is very little in the Quran that is original thinking. Practically all of it is “borrowed” from older times, or from sourrounding cultures. The laws mainly are from old Arab traditions, added by some ideas from mainly the Jews, the Christians and Persia. Also ethical and moral ideas came from the same sources – partly originally from Hellas. (But then Islam never really had a philosophy of moral or ethics – they never was interested in knowledge for the sake of knowledge and actively fought against things like philosophy – a war Islam won in 1095 with a book attacking just philosophy and written by “the second greatest Muslim ever” al-Ghazali. They instead followed the few and sometimes inhuman orders in the Quran). And the same goes for knowledge and sciense – mainly from Hellas and Persia and some from India. But actually knowledge and science was in short supply at the times of Muhammad – translation of the old books to Arab came much later.
At the times of Muhammad Arabia simply was in a permanent barbaric state with little education except the basic learning – and that only for a selected few – and with the tribes constantly fighting each other in a real anarci. The only form of art that existed was storytelling and poetry. The country was even more barbaric than the worst places in north Pakistan and Afghanistan and Africa today. (This may be a reason why Islam had success in Arabia after it was changed to a war religion – the Arabs were by culture – or rather by anarchism – warriors by heart because that was they had been brought up to become, and a war religion fitted their not-culture. Barbarism is not a culture, no matter what semi-intellectuals say).
In such situations Muhammad was not to blame for stealing good ideas from the surroundings – actually not to do so would just be stubborn stupidity – like what you see some places even today: Everything from the outside, and especially from the west, is bad, instead of picking the good ideas and leaving the bad ones. Muhammad – or Allah – was wise enough to try to pick the good ideas from where he found them.
But Muhammad was no thinker himself (sorry, but hardly any real scientist today believe the Quran was made by a god – nothing points towards a god, everything towards Muhammad and/or human helpers). And also in the Quran there is little or nothing of original stuff. The stories are all taken from other sources known in Arabia at that time (why should a god do so?)
Much is taken from the Bible, but “adjusted” to fit Muhammad’s teaching. But much of this really is not from the Bible, but from religious fairy tales and folk tales or from texts made up by different fringe sects – gnostics f. ex. made up quite a number of “gospels” and other “holy” stories. If we say that Muhammad made up the Quran himself, it is easy to see why he frequently missed here:
I. He did not know much about Jewish religion, until after he came to Medina, and then it was too late.
II. He never knew much about the Christian religion.
III. Perhaps he did not know how to read, and for sure he never had a Bible.
IV. There was a myriade of stories and poems also about religious subjects in Arabia – as I said storytelling (and story making) and poetry were the only arts in Arabia, and also one of the few pastimes in such cultures during long evenings.
It often was impossible for him to know what really was a true story and what not.
Besides he had to mix divinity into the stories, if it was not there before – it may as well be there from before, because then an intelligent but rather short of fantasy brain like Muhammad’s only had to name the god behind the stories “Allah“. Actually he used both religious and non-religious stories and changed them enough to fit his teaching.
But as for stories presumably from the Jewish and even more so from the Christian religion some of them were just twisted a little or a lot, whereas others were plainly from made up folk and fairy tales, legends and myths known in Arabia at that time.
I do not comment the places the Quran twists the Bible – most of my readers will recognize them. I only ad that in Syria and Arabia there were many from the partly Christian Gnostic sects living, and actually many of the stories pretending to be from the Bible in the Quran, are from made up Gnostic tales. But I will take some of the others – and a couple of Gnostic ones (sources: Among others Slot-Henriksen: Comments on the Quran):
001 Moses and the fish – from Arabic folk tales about search for eternal life. May be originally from Babylon – the Babylonian Ugarit texts has a very similar story about the god El (not unknown in and around Arabia).
002 Solomon listening to the ants – fairty tale perhaps inspired by the Bible, Sol. 6/6.
003 Jinns working for Solomon – from local fairy tales, folk tales and myths (jinns were beings in Arab folklore that are incorporated in Islam). Anyone who has read f. ex. 1001 Nights knows that supernatural beings sometimes worked for humans.
004 Mary working in the temple (in Jerusalem) as child/youth – from “The Proto Gospel after Jacob”, part 8,1 and 8,1b.
005 Jesus talking in the crib – from the religious legend “The Egyptian Child Gospel” perhaps via the as made up “The Arab Child Gospel” (originally from Syria) – both fairy tales about fantastic things concerning the child Jesus. “The Arab Child Gospel” also got stories from “The Proto Gospel after Jacob” and “The Thomas’ Child Gospel” – both made up religious legends or myths.
006 Jesus making birds from clay – read the heretical Gnostic “Child Gospel after Thomas” verse 1 – 4, a very made up child gospel. (Actually none of the storeys about Jesus in the Quran is reckoned by scientists to be true. Actually most of what is said in the Quran about Christian religion, is from apocryphal – made up – sources. Not unnatural as there f. ex. were many Gnostics and other semi-Christian and semi-Jewish sects in the fringes of Christianity. sects. Syria and Arabia definitely were in – and outside – those fringes).
007 Mary and the palm – from the made up religious fable “The Proto Gospel after Mathew”, chapter 20.
008 Muhammad’s Night Journey to Heaven – read about different such travels in Jewish Merabah mysticism or even more the gnostig “Enoc’s Journy to Heaven” (nearly identical to Ibn Ishaq’s by Islam accepted story after Abu Said al-Chudri)
009 The sleepers in the cave – the even today well known religious fable from Efesus, about the 7 youths that fled from emperor Decius (a real emperor reigning only 2 years around 250 AD) and went to sleep in a cave, and then woke up maximum 196 years later (the Quran says 300 or 309 years) under the more well known emperor Theodocius). Just read it – it normally even is better told than in the Quran.
010 Alexander the Great/Duh’l Quarnayn – anyone knowing the story of Alaxander; read this part oft Surah 18 and weep – or laugh. Copycatting at its most naïve. (He f. ex. was no Muslim, he never went west – this we know from history, there no place in the world was enough iron blocks to close off a whole valley around 330 BC, etc.).
012 The story about Ad (many times repeated) – copied from Arab folk tales, presumeably a story from more than 2000 years before Muhammad (before Moses (around 1230 BC) according to the Quran), and Muhammad had no written sources. Besides all the other: How big is the chance that a folk tale is true and identical with the reality after 2ooo years?
013 The stories about Thamud – copied from Arab presumably 2ooo years old folk tales. See the tales about Ad just above.
014 The stories about Median – copied from Arab folk tales.
If you look, may be you will find more copycatting.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 4:11AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I believe in true studying of all books to get the real knowledge of truth
you will know the TRUTH and the ''TRUTH '' WILL SET YOU FREE ,,,,IN ALL YOU GETTING ,,,GET UNDERSTANDING !
SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL SLAVES TO RELIGION !
There is very little in the Quran that is original thinking. Practically all of it is “borrowed” from older times, or from sourrounding cultures. The laws mainly are from old Arab traditions, added by some ideas from mainly the Jews, the Christians and Persia. Also ethical and moral ideas came from the same sources – partly originally from Hellas. (But then Islam never really had a philosophy of moral or ethics – they never was interested in knowledge for the sake of knowledge and actively fought against things like philosophy – a war Islam won in 1095 with a book attacking just philosophy and written by “the second greatest Muslim ever” al-Ghazali. They instead followed the few and sometimes inhuman orders in the Quran). And the same goes for knowledge and sciense – mainly from Hellas and Persia and some from India. But actually knowledge and science was in short supply at the times of Muhammad – translation of the old books to Arab came much later.
At the times of Muhammad Arabia simply was in a permanent barbaric state with little education except the basic learning – and that only for a selected few – and with the tribes constantly fighting each other in a real anarci. The only form of art that existed was storytelling and poetry. The country was even more barbaric than the worst places in north Pakistan and Afghanistan and Africa today. (This may be a reason why Islam had success in Arabia after it was changed to a war religion – the Arabs were by culture – or rather by anarchism – warriors by heart because that was they had been brought up to become, and a war religion fitted their not-culture. Barbarism is not a culture, no matter what semi-intellectuals say).
In such situations Muhammad was not to blame for stealing good ideas from the surroundings – actually not to do so would just be stubborn stupidity – like what you see some places even today: Everything from the outside, and especially from the west, is bad, instead of picking the good ideas and leaving the bad ones. Muhammad – or Allah – was wise enough to try to pick the good ideas from where he found them.
But Muhammad was no thinker himself (sorry, but hardly any real scientist today believe the Quran was made by a god – nothing points towards a god, everything towards Muhammad and/or human helpers). And also in the Quran there is little or nothing of original stuff. The stories are all taken from other sources known in Arabia at that time (why should a god do so?)
Much is taken from the Bible, but “adjusted” to fit Muhammad’s teaching. But much of this really is not from the Bible, but from religious fairy tales and folk tales or from texts made up by different fringe sects – gnostics f. ex. made up quite a number of “gospels” and other “holy” stories. If we say that Muhammad made up the Quran himself, it is easy to see why he frequently missed here:
I. He did not know much about Jewish religion, until after he came to Medina, and then it was too late.
II. He never knew much about the Christian religion.
III. Perhaps he did not know how to read, and for sure he never had a Bible.
IV. There was a myriade of stories and poems also about religious subjects in Arabia – as I said storytelling (and story making) and poetry were the only arts in Arabia, and also one of the few pastimes in such cultures during long evenings.
It often was impossible for him to know what really was a true story and what not.
Besides he had to mix divinity into the stories, if it was not there before – it may as well be there from before, because then an intelligent but rather short of fantasy brain like Muhammad’s only had to name the god behind the stories “Allah“. Actually he used both religious and non-religious stories and changed them enough to fit his teaching.
But as for stories presumably from the Jewish and even more so from the Christian religion some of them were just twisted a little or a lot, whereas others were plainly from made up folk and fairy tales, legends and myths known in Arabia at that time.
I do not comment the places the Quran twists the Bible – most of my readers will recognize them. I only ad that in Syria and Arabia there were many from the partly Christian Gnostic sects living, and actually many of the stories pretending to be from the Bible in the Quran, are from made up Gnostic tales. But I will take some of the others – and a couple of Gnostic ones (sources: Among others Slot-Henriksen: Comments on the Quran):
001 Moses and the fish – from Arabic folk tales about search for eternal life. May be originally from Babylon – the Babylonian Ugarit texts has a very similar story about the god El (not unknown in and around Arabia).
002 Solomon listening to the ants – fairty tale perhaps inspired by the Bible, Sol. 6/6.
003 Jinns working for Solomon – from local fairy tales, folk tales and myths (jinns were beings in Arab folklore that are incorporated in Islam). Anyone who has read f. ex. 1001 Nights knows that supernatural beings sometimes worked for humans.
004 Mary working in the temple (in Jerusalem) as child/youth – from “The Proto Gospel after Jacob”, part 8,1 and 8,1b.
005 Jesus talking in the crib – from the religious legend “The Egyptian Child Gospel” perhaps via the as made up “The Arab Child Gospel” (originally from Syria) – both fairy tales about fantastic things concerning the child Jesus. “The Arab Child Gospel” also got stories from “The Proto Gospel after Jacob” and “The Thomas’ Child Gospel” – both made up religious legends or myths.
006 Jesus making birds from clay – read the heretical Gnostic “Child Gospel after Thomas” verse 1 – 4, a very made up child gospel. (Actually none of the storeys about Jesus in the Quran is reckoned by scientists to be true. Actually most of what is said in the Quran about Christian religion, is from apocryphal – made up – sources. Not unnatural as there f. ex. were many Gnostics and other semi-Christian and semi-Jewish sects in the fringes of Christianity. sects. Syria and Arabia definitely were in – and outside – those fringes).
007 Mary and the palm – from the made up religious fable “The Proto Gospel after Mathew”, chapter 20.
008 Muhammad’s Night Journey to Heaven – read about different such travels in Jewish Merabah mysticism or even more the gnostig “Enoc’s Journy to Heaven” (nearly identical to Ibn Ishaq’s by Islam accepted story after Abu Said al-Chudri)
009 The sleepers in the cave – the even today well known religious fable from Efesus, about the 7 youths that fled from emperor Decius (a real emperor reigning only 2 years around 250 AD) and went to sleep in a cave, and then woke up maximum 196 years later (the Quran says 300 or 309 years) under the more well known emperor Theodocius). Just read it – it normally even is better told than in the Quran.
010 Alexander the Great/Duh’l Quarnayn – anyone knowing the story of Alaxander; read this part oft Surah 18 and weep – or laugh. Copycatting at its most naïve. (He f. ex. was no Muslim, he never went west – this we know from history, there no place in the world was enough iron blocks to close off a whole valley around 330 BC, etc.).
012 The story about Ad (many times repeated) – copied from Arab folk tales, presumeably a story from more than 2000 years before Muhammad (before Moses (around 1230 BC) according to the Quran), and Muhammad had no written sources. Besides all the other: How big is the chance that a folk tale is true and identical with the reality after 2ooo years?
013 The stories about Thamud – copied from Arab presumably 2ooo years old folk tales. See the tales about Ad just above.
014 The stories about Median – copied from Arab folk tales.
If you look, may be you will find more copycatting.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 4:11AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Irma... I'll answer all of your questions.... Marijuana gives you the munchies.... Smoke Away....
"People with syncretistic views blend the views of a variety of different religions or traditional beliefs into a unique fusion which suits their particular experience and context (see eclecticism). Unitarian Universalism is an example of a syncretistic faith."
That's me. But it also accounts for the origin of Christianity.
Christianity of course became a tool of the state. Didn't Islam serve the same purpose? I mean, did Islam spread through conversion or conquest?
Truth is the only thing that most people do not believe!!! (SMILE)
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 11:36AM
A.B. Madyun
"WE all know that Malcolm denounced the NOI some say it lead to his death why do you think he should not be called a sell out as well as Imam WD Mohammed?????"
This is the original topic of discussion. Whatever happened to that? I keep reading what everyone is typing that other people know. What do you know that is authentic? You're all trying to show how well informed you are. But are you really secure enough with yourself as an individual? I'm noticing that you guys do this 24/7. Don't you have something better to do with your lives that is more constructive besides arguing about what you think you know, and what you hate?? I don't think anybody gives a squirrel's behind what you think? I know I don't at this point.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 11:43AM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun,
I don't hate Christianity just because it was used by ruthless men who were not true Christians. And I hope I didn't give the impression I hate Islam. I'm a student of history, the good, the bad, and the ugly. One of the ugliest aspects has been the destruction of knowledge, and what foresight those Egyptian monks had to bury the books at Nag Hammadi, not knowing when or if they would ever be unearthed. So leaving aside religion, was there an Arab conquest of Egypt, Carthage, etc.?
As far as wandering off topic, some of us here are notorious for that. It keeps things lively.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 12:36PM
Steve Williams
This is the original topic of discussion. Whatever happened to that? I keep reading what everyone is typing that other people know. What do you know that is authentic? You're all trying to show how well informed you are. But are you really secure enough with yourself as an individual? I'm noticing that you guys do this 24/7. Don't you have something better to do with your lives that is more constructive besides arguing about what you think you know, and what you hate?? I don't think anybody gives a squirrel's behind what you think? I know I don't at this point.
A.B. Madyun
easy tiger this is a past time,,,,, ! ck the Pedigree !
Thanks for clarification, Steve. Most of the time actions speak louder than words, but in this case the words overwhelmingly override the words...you know what I'm sayin'? Just an observation. EDUCATE!!! EDUCATE!!! OBSERVE!!!
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 2:47PM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
..."easy tiger this is a past time,,,,, ! ck the Pedigree !..."
Indeed it is...a lamentation of what I just said. Do I hear my own echo, tiger???
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 2:50PM
A.B. Madyun
I myself was not around during any of the eras we've thus far referenced. This in no way has any impact whatsoever on the accuracy of the historical record. The historical record speaks for itself in it's entirety and is above the opinion of anyone of us, myself included. The historical record and the historical record alone allows one to speak authoritatively should they so choose to do so, just as a prosecuting attorney may so speak if he or she has the corroborating testimony of an expert air-tight 'witness'. It is not necessary for us to hypothesize about the color of the people of Ancient Egypt when references to such matters are substantiated by the historical record. The historical record moves us from the low standards of 'opinion' to the reliable, fertile, plateau of facts. In other words when we reference the historical record....we know what we are talking about....we are not guessing. It is no less a mathematical approach to the elucidation of the past than longitude and lattitude are to cartography (ie.the science of map making). Therefore all of our respect is for the historical record, not for the old prejudices of our miseducation at the hands of those who were and are ignorant of the historical record themselves.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 3:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
at the time as 'Muhammadanism' (not Islam as Islam did not come until much later,
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 5:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
There is no such thing as Muhammadanism. That's like comparing Islam with the institution of Christianity in that sense. Christianity did not always carry the label. Jesus belonged to an order called the Nazarines. He never referered to his followers as Christians, nor will you find anywhere in the bible where he uses the terms. Evenso, his followers of today call themselves Christians. Jesus was not even sent to found any religion. Instead, he was sent by G_d to the Jews to convert them back to the Mosaic law that was given to them by Moses because they had violated their covenant with G_d. You will never hear a Muslim refer to themselves as Muhammadans. This term is to suggest that Muhammad founded the religion of Islam. If this is the case, why don't we call the Jewish religion Mosesism? In Christian doctrine, though you deny Christianity as your religion, nonetheless Christianity came as an offshoot of Judaism, and as long as this society has molded the mindset of everyone in it except the adherents of Islam, you are still Christian. In addition, as long as you continue to use the yardstick of white flesh to judge the standard of blackness, and engulf yourselves in the color game, you will remain the same as you are...a broke 24/7 professional blogger. The Zionist Jews are the authors of present day Christianity, a vehicle that they have successfully used for ages to control the minds of the masses, and it is they who have you thinking in colors. They know more about your paradigm than you could ever dream of knowing. So, if you are satisfied as being a "colored" man, I ain't mad at you. I'm just thankful to Allah (G_d) that I am not stuck in that same mud. That same mud has rapidly become quicksand to some of our people who will never escape it's clutches for having an unrestrained desire of wanting to be tricked.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:11PM
A.B. Madyun
Why is Islam referred to sometimes as Muhammadanism? Is Muhammad worshipped like Jesus in Christianity? Or is he the center of the religious teachings like Buddhism? Why are Muslims sometimes referred to as Muhammadans? Does the misunderstanding of Islam start with its very name? http://www.onislam.net/english/reading-isl... Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:14PM
A.B. Madyun
"The historical record and the historical record alone allows one to speak authoritatively should they so choose to do so, just as a prosecuting attorney may so speak if he or she has the corroborating testimony of an expert air-tight 'witness'."
Let's look at the definition of the term "authoritative:
1 a : having or proceeding from authority : official b : clearly accurate or knowledgeable 2 : dictatorial 2 — au·thor·i·ta·tive·ly adverb — au·thor·i·ta·tive·ness noun See authoritative defined for English-language learners » See authoritative defined for kids » Examples of AUTHORITATIVE
The book is an authoritative guide to the city's restaurants. His manner is polite but authoritative. She addressed the group with an authoritative voice. First Known Use of AUTHORITATIVE
1605 Related to AUTHORITATIVE
Synonyms definitive, classic, classical, magisterial Related Words conclusive, decisive; approved, official, sanctioned; accurate, correct; complete, comprehensive, exhaustive, thorough Near Antonyms helpless, impotent, powerless, weak; incapable, unable
So what gives anything the distinction of being labeled as "authoritative?" First it has to be substantuated proven to be accurate, or inconclusive (can't be disproved). A Christian, or an atheist cannot subsantuate the validity of Islam, anymore than a grocer can substantuate forestry. Now you might want to rebut that a Muslim cannot be an authority on other religions. But that is entirely in G_d's hands as to who is the authority on deciding who is right, or who is wrong on religious theologies. But I can most certainly tell you this with authority, no one can validate worshipping something less than that which is greater than self. Man has searched for G_d for centuries. They have worshipped rocks, trees, statues, the sky, the mountains, fire, and countless other objects that can do them neither good nor harm, instead of deducing that it is better to worship the creator of these things. It is less than intelligent to worhip that which is not greater than the self, because the self did not create itself. It was something greater than the self that produced the self. There is not a mind in existence that disprove this phenomenon. Only a fool would endeavor. Study the above antonyms for "authoritative." You cannot choose to be an authority. If what you bring to the table can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt with authoritative deductive reasoning, as well as, in some cases, material proofs, then authority chooses you.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:37PM
A.B. Madyun
Extracts from the video This is the Truth by Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. al-Zindani, Director, Project of Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an and Hadith, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).
Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage.
Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."
"For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."[2]
At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]
Professor Moore also stated that:
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
"The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]
E. Marshall Johnson
Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.
Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.
"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."
"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...
I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." [1]
T.V.N. Persaud
Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.
"It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...
We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...
I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." [1]
Joe Leigh Simpson
Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.
He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.
"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." [1]
Gerald C. Goeringer
Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.
Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor Goeringer and asked him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention of the different stages of embryonic development, or whether there existed any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh Zindani also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to describe the different phases of fetal development. After several long discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference:
"...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature." [1]
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:52PM
A.B. Madyun
In Islam, there is no conflict between faith in God and modern scientific knowledge. Indeed, for many centuries during the Middle Ages, Muslims led the world in scientific inquiry and exploration. The Quran itself, revealed 14 centuries ago, contains many scientific facts and imagery that are supported by modern findings. The Quran instructs Muslims to "contemplate the wonders of creation" (Quran 3:191). The entire universe, which was created by Allah, follows and obeys His laws. Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge, explore the universe, and find the "Signs of Allah" in His creation. Allah says:
"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of ships through the ocean, for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth; here indeed are Signs for a people that are wise" (Quran 2:164) For a book revealed in the 7th century C.E., the Quran contains many scientifically-accurate statements. Among them: Creation
"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We split them apart? And We made from water every living thing…" (21:30). "And Allah has created every animal from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four..." (24:45) "See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it? Truly that is easy for Allah" (29:19). Astronomy
"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. All (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course" (21:33). "It is not permitted for the sun to catch up to the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. Each just swims along in its own orbit" (36:40). "He created the heavens and the earth in true proportions. He makes the night overlap the day, and the day overlap the night. He has subjected the sun and the moon to His law; each one follows a course for a time appointed..." (39:5). "The sun and the moon follow courses exactly computed" (55:5). Geology
"You see the mountains and think they are firmly fixed. But they pass away just as the clouds pass away. Such is the artistry of Allah, Who disposes of all things in perfect order" (27:88). Fetal Development
"Man We did create from a quintessence of clay. Then we placed him as a drop of sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood. Then out of that clot We made a fetus lump. Then We made out of that lump bones, and clothed the bones with flesh. Then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the Best to create!" (23:12-14). "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He gave you hearing, and sight, and understanding" (32:9). "That He did create the pairs, male and female, from a sperm-drop when lodged in its place" (53:45-46). "Was he not a drop of sperm emitted, then did he become a leach-like clot. Then did Allah make and fashion him in due proportion. And of him He made two s*xes, male and female" (75:37-39). "He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (39:6).
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:54PM
A.B. Madyun
IS THEORY AND "AUTHORITATIVE" GUESSES STRONGER THAN SCIENCE?
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 6:56PM
A.B. Madyun
Who were the Sabeans? Why did Muhammad regard them as believers in the true God? The Sabeans are mentioned at least 3 times in the Quran:
1) 2:62 - "Believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabeans; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or regret."
2) 5:69 - "Believers, Jews, Sabeans and Christians; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall have nothing to fear or to regret."
3) 22:17 - "As for the true believers, the Jews, the Sabeans, the Christians, the Magians, and the pagans, God will judge them on the day of Resurrection. God bears witness to all things."
Although what is known about the Sabeans is not comprehensive, enough has been written about them to determine a basic understanding of their practices and beliefs. Most of the writings are from Islamic sources. Some of the writers are Ibn Hazm in 'Fisal wa-Milal', Ibn al-Nadim in the 'Fihrist', Shahrastani in 'The Treaty on Sects', and Masudi in 'Muruj al-Dhahab.
Ibn Hazm, writing in 'Fisal wa-Milal', identifies the people then known as 'Harranians' as the 'Sabeans' mentioned in the Quran. Hazm writes that they honored the seven planets and the twelve constellations, they have 5 times of prayer, (the same times as the Muslims pray), they fast in Ramadan, they venerate and turn to the Kaba in prayer. Hazm also says they also worshipped the stars and idols. Hazm further claims that Allah sent Abraham to turn them away from pagan worship, but Abraham didn't succeed.
Comparing all the early writings on the Sabeans, we find that they inhabited Syria, and spread from there, they were definitely pagans, having a mixture of Babylonian and Helenic religion. The 'prophets' they professed to follow were Hermes and Agathodaemon, who they identified in Shahrastani's time with Seth and Idris (O.T. Enoch). Gods who were worshipped were the gods of the 7 week-days, the god of the Jinn, the lord of the Hour, the god who makes arrows fly, the god Tammuz (a variation of the one previously mentioned), Hamam the prince, the father of the gods, the god 'North', the lord 'Fortune', etc. They also kept the Eid of their own. Further, the Sabeans made star worship a chief characteristic of their system.
So, did Islam get the 5 times a day prayer? --From the star worshipping Sabeans. What about fasting during Ramadan? - from the Sabeans. The Eid? - from the Sabeans.
It seems very odd to me that Muhammad, the man who's central doctrine was the oneness of God, would include pagan worshippers as those who were believers in the true God. If Muhammad were truly a prophet, how could he have made such a big mistake? How did astral worshippers get included into the Quran as those that worship the true God? How could Muhammad's 'revelation' be in such error?
It is noteworthy that just as Muhammad incorporated the pagan veneration of the Kaba and black stone into Islam, so he incorporated the Sabean times of prayer, Eid, and fasting into Islam.
Once again, Muhammad didn't fully know the subject he was synthesizing into Islam. I have read nothing about their doctrine that would have led Muhammad to include them as followers of the one true God he preached about. Perhaps he learned a small portion about their religion, and believed it to be right. Little did he know that under that veneer of words, lay many theological differences.
HOURIS
The Quran mentions 'houris' several times 44:50, 52:20, 55:60, 56:20, 78:33. Who or what are they? They are 'bashful virgins', 'fair as coral and ruby', 'dark eyed youths', 'high bosomed maidens (big breasted)'. In sum, they are creatures put in Paradise, primarily for men's s*xual pleasures. Each man will have at least two of them.
This concept is derived from the Zoroastrian sources. In Zoroastrian writings they are referred to as 'Faries' - spirits in bright array and beautiful to captivate the heart of man. The name 'Houris' comes from a Pehlavi source, as does the Islamic 'Jinn' for Genie.
CONCLUSION
It's not difficult to see how Muhammad heard various sacred religious stories, and incorporated them into Islam. Perhaps he thought that parts of those religions contained truth, so he adopted what he thought to be correct. But nevertheless, the foundation of Islam is paganism.
As concerns the Koran, the Muslim holy book, many don't know the Koran was an enlarged revised version of the ancient Word of the Goddess Kore, revered by Mohammed's tribe, the Kore****es (Children of Kore), who guarded her shrine at Mecca. Do your home work study for your self ! "The original writing was done long before Mohammed's time by holy imams, a word related to Semitic ima, 'mother.' Like the original mahatmas or 'great mothers' of India, the original imams were probably priestesses of the old Arabian matriarchate. It was said they took the scripture from a prototype that existed in heaven from the beginning of eternity, 'Mother of the Book'—i.e., the Goddess herself, wearing the Book of Fate on her breast as Mother Tiamat wore the Tablets of Destiny. Sometimes the celestial Koran was called the Preserved Tablet. There was some resemblance between this and other legendary books of divine origin, such as the Ur-text, the Book of Thoth, and the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.
"As in the case of the Judeo-Christian Bible, the Koran was much rewritten to support new patriarchal laws and to obliterate the figures of the Goddess and her priestesses."
In The Great Religious Leaders, Charles Frances Potter says of Mohammed, "It is very doubtful that he read any of the Bible: indeed, it has not been proved that he ever read anything, or wrote anything. He called himself 'the illiterate prophet.'" Of course, much of the Koran is based on the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, combined with pre-Islamic Arab and other traditions.
Regarding the unoriginality of the Koran, Islam expert Dr. Daniel Pipes says (The Jerusalem Post, 5/12/00):
"The Koran is a not 'a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia,' but a collection of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the needs of a later age."
Biblical scholar Dr. Robert M. Price likewise concurs as to the pre-Islamic nature of various koranic texts:
"The Koran was assembled from a variety of prior Hagarene texts (hence the contradictions re Jesus' death) in order to provide the Moses-like Muhammad with a Torah of his own...."
Islamic expert Dr. Gerd-R. Puin concludes:
"My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate...."
Thus, the Koran was not written by Mohammed.
Tuesday, May 14th 2013 at 7:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The hadith writers are the main cause of dividing Muslims into sects with their facbricated stories for the successor of Prophet Muhammad. According to the corrupted hadiths Aisha (Prophet Muhammad wife) and Ali (Prophet Muhammad cousin and his son in law) had the bloody military confrontation. Because of the hadith, the Islamic history has also gotten corrupted to a large extent and we cannot trust what is written simply because it is clear contradiction of the Quranic message. Anybody who believe that Ali and Aisha fought a war reflects that that person is ignoring the Message of God Almighty and has not learned anything from Prophet Muhammad. Anyone who believes that Abu Bakr, Omer Farouk, Uthman and Ali were obsessed to grab power immediately after the death of Prophet Muhammad need to read and understand the above verse 48:29.
The hadith writers also included hadiths related to the private married life of Prophet Muhammad and such hadiths clearly insult the Prophet. These stories are absurd and gossipy, and not necessary for the Faith.
Now, here are few examples of hadiths from 'Sahih' Bukhari. Read and enjoy the "science" of hadiths. No person in their right mind will find any science in these stories. These stories are illogical, vulgar and pathetic fairy tales and comedies!
Prophet Moses beat stone. Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.’ So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, “My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, ‘By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone.” Abu Huraira added, “By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating.”
Prophet Moses spoiled the eye of Angel of death with slap. Volume 2, Book 23, Number 423: Narrated Abu Huraira: The angel of death was sent to Moses and when he went to him, Moses slapped him severely, spoiling one of his eyes. The angel went back to his Lord, and said, “You sent me to a slave who does not want to die.” Allah restored his eye and said, “Go back and tell him (i.e. Moses) to place his hand over the back of an ox, for he will be allowed to live for a number of years equal to the number of hairs coming under his hand.” (So the angel came to him and told him the same). Then Moses asked, “O my Lord! What will be then?” He said, “Death will be then.” He said, “(Let it be) now.” He asked Allah that He bring him near the Sacred Land at a distance of a stone’s throw. Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, “Were I there I would show you the grave of Moses by the way near the red sand hill.”
Drink camel milk and urgine as medine. No. 235 – Narrated Abu Qilaba: Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle.
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268: Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
O Sunnis and Shiias! These are only few of examples of your "science" of hadith collection by the morons knowns as Imams.
When it comes to starting a new religion, the parallels between Muhammad (600AD) and Pharaoh Akhenaten (1400 BC) are stunning. We see a "something old, something new" theme in both religious founders.
The story of Akhenaten's conversion to repackaged polytheism (monotheism)
A. Dating the Exodus: Akhenaten's learns Monotheism from the Jews:
We feel that the phenomenon of Akhenaten's sudden zeal for monotheism was clearly a result of the Jewish exodus from Egypt in 1440 BC. Akhenaten is a thorn in the side of liberal "Bible trasher" archeologists who date the exodus at 1250 BC.
To anyone except the blind, it is clear that the miracles of Moses in Egypt are the obvious cause of Akhenaten's conversion to pagan monotheism. Jacob and his twelve sons moved to Egypt as free men in about 1900 BC. Akhenaten began his reign in 1352 AD. Since the exodus of the Jews is dated at about 1440 BC, that means that Akhenaten lived about 60 years after the Pharaoh who experienced the 10 plagues of Moses. This would allow just enough time for all Akhenaten's ancestors who hated Jehovah, the monotheistic God of the Jews, to die. Akhenaten was therefore free to abandon the many false gods of Egypt in favour of his own version of monotheism, without any personal emotional baggage connected with monotheism. But rather than a 60 year old memory of how Jehovah triumphed over Egypt, why not current events? If our timing is right, the Jews began their occupation of the promised land (Canaan) about 20 years before Akhenaten became Pharaoh. This also means that Joshua and Akhenaten lived at the same time and knew of each other. Surely the nations that surrounded Israel learned to fear Jehovah as a more powerful God then the pagan gods who were driven out of Canaan. So for 60 years, Jehovah was triumphing over all the god's of the nations. This spectacular display of the advantages of monotheism, surely must have impressed Akhenaten who would have surely heard about it. In fact it may have been the stories he heard of the conquest of Joshua that converted him to a monotheistic view. Although the connections we have suggested are circumstantial, it would be quite unbelievable that Akhenaten was unaware of the 10 plagues, the 40 years in the wilderness and the conquest of Canaan by Joshua.
We can infer with similar confidence, that Muhammad was influenced by Jewish and Christian monotheism. It is well documented that Christian missionaries had infiltrated even the interior of Arabia with the monotheistic gospel of Christ. Had Muhammad's monotheistic movement sprung up without the strong monotheist presence of Christianity, then this would be worth taking note of. But the facts of history prove the presence of non-Arab monotheism before birth of Islam.
B. Akhenaten: Monotheist or Henotheist?
Jehovah's Witnesses are Henotheists. Although accused of being polytheists, the correct term would be Henotheist. Jehovah's Witnesses reject the trinity and believe in an entire "henotheist" system of gods, including the "Almighty God", (the Father), "mighty God" (Son) to lesser gods including the devil, angels, and finally even men are gods. Now was Akhenaten a monotheist or a henotheist? Some suggest that Akhenaten was never a true monotheist during the Amarna period, since some evidence suggests, (although not conclusive) that he gives homage to Horus, Isis and Osiris. If he did, then Akhenaten was a henotheist. Other inclusive evidence suggests that Akhenaten viewed himself as the incarnate god Horus. After all, the whole premise of Egyptian rule by Pharaoh is that the Pharaoh is Horus on Earth; without this premise, there is no Pharaoh. Had he declared himself to not be a god, he would have immediately been deposed as a fraud. Some however, think Akhenaten may have been a closet monotheist, merely keeping the status quo. For a discussion of Akhenaten's possible monotheism, see Cyril Aldred's, "Akhenaten: King of Egypt".
C. Akhenaten's Proclamation of Monotheism:
To the complete surprise of the people and the outrage of the polytheistic priesthood, Akhenaten proclaimed that only one god "Aten" was to be worshipped and the other 733 gods were to be forsaken. Aten was somewhat unknown for two generations before Akhenaten. The popularity of the Aten is known in the reign of Amenhotep III when that ruler named the pleasure boat for his wife Tiye after the Aten. It is popularly believed that Nefertiti (and possibly Tiye) were adherents to the cult of the Aten, which was very small, and was able to magnify it through her husband (son). Other gods certainly were considered far more important to Egyptian culture at the time. For whatever reason, Akhenaten decided that Aten, an obscure "mail room" god, was to be promoted to the "board room" and become the CEO god of the official state religion. Akhenaten's command to stop worshipping the hundreds of old Egyptian gods, was met with quite a bit of stubbornness with his people, and outright rebellion among the elite and powerful priesthood. Aten, formerly one of hundreds of Egyptian gods, was now the one and only god.
D. Akhenaten's Banishment of competing gods:
Akhenaten was prepared to take action to ensure his new found monotheism was the dominant religion. Similar to a few of the kings and Judges of the Bible, he cleaned house by eradicating some, but not all, of the symbols or structures associated with polytheism. He tore down some pagan temples, removed publicly displayed names of some pagan gods from official buildings and statues. The god Amun, who formerly enjoyed a most popular position in Egyptian religious life, was suddenly out of a job. The extent to which Akhenaten rejected polytheism is actually astonishing since he even replaced the plural "gods" with the monotheistic singular "god" from official records, laws and proclamations. But Akhenaten did not ban the worship of all of the other gods; he particularly banned Amun and the cult of Amun-Ra since he was the former (and later) chief of all gods, a position that Akhenaten believed the Aten filled.
E. Akhenaten's repackaging Polytheism
As Jeroboam, the son of Solomon understood, if you are going to start a new religion, you need to change the priesthood and places of worship. He started by making himself the High Priest, thus the top religious authority and power. He even changed his name to "Akhenaten" which means, "He who serves the Aten", to express his new found monotheism. His original name was Amenhotep, meaning "Amun is Satisfied". In order to make a clean break from polytheism, he moved the Egyptian capitol from Thebes to a location 300 KM north and named it Akhetaten (present day Amarna), which means the "The Place Of The Aten's Effective Power." Akhenaten constructed beautiful, open air temples that would invite "divine sunlight" to bath the floor and worshippers with his presence.
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Akhenaten did not like the existing logos of the sun god, so to his credit, came up with a unique new logo and symbol. Islam, on the other hand, merely copied the 2500 year old "crescent moon" logo of the pagan moon god and didn't bother to hire a graphic design artist. The crescent moon is found on top of every mosque and even at the Kaba on top of the Maqam Ibrahim, is virtually identical to that used in Babylonian moon god "Sîn" worship at Harran in 2100 BC.
Like Muhammad, Akhenaten retained the polytheistic practices and rituals of his newly repackaged monotheistic god.
In a hymn written by Akhenaten where he expresses his monotheism in poetry he says, "O thou sole god, whose power no other possesses. Though didst create the earth according to thy desire, being alone: Man, all cattle, large and small; All that are upon the earth." (Hymn to the Sun, Akhenaten, c. 1370 BC)
Note: Desperate bible skeptics suggest David plagiarized Akhenaten's hymn when he wrote Psalm 104 of the Bible. However the similarity is remote and not impressive, especially in light of the fact that Ps 104 doesn't even contain monotheistic statements like " O thou sole god, whose power no other possesses." In the very unlikely case that anyone copied, it would be Akhenaten who heard these kinds of statements from the Jews who once lived in Egypt. Perhaps David was recording an ancient Jewish Song that Pharaoh Akhenaten was familiar with and copied. However, our view is that the similarity between the two is so insignificant, that no one copied from anyone. After all, Akhenaten is praising the "sun god" while David is praising the God who created the sun. F. Reverting to Polytheism after Akhenaten's death
The famous "King Tut", (Tutankhamun) discovered in 1922 AD by Howard Carter. was most likely the son of Akhenaten.
The most compelling reason Tutankhamun was the son of Akhenaten, is because King Tut's original name given by his father was Tutankhaten. Tut's birth name was in honor of his father's religion in honor of "Aten". After his father died and he became Pharaoh, King Tut reversed all the changes brought in his father Akhenaten. The young king also changed his name from Tutankhaten to Tutankhamun, as he is known in history. His new name means "Living image of Amun". Amun was a pagan Egyptian god.
King Tut
Shortly before Pharaoh Akhenaten's death in 1336 BC the "forced to be monotheistic" priesthood, ruling class and common folk, desired to revert back to polytheism. Perhaps, like in many Muslim nations today, the people were never really converted, but were silenced under the threat of death. Shortly after Akhenaten's death, like the Judges of the Bible, monotheism was forgotten and all the pagan gods of Egypt were once again worshipped as before. In fact, special effort was made by Akhenaten's successors to appease the formerly shunned gods. Akhenaten's name was deleted from official king lists, and he was thereafter referred to in Egypt as "that criminal of Akhetaten." We wonder what immediate changes would take place in the Muslim controlled parts of the world, if the common people were free to practice their religion as they desire without the threat of death?
Although Muhammad never knew the details of Akhenaten's conversion to monotheism, it seems Muhammad could have learned important lessons from him on "how to start your own religion". Akhenaten was a pacifist who deplored "murdering his opposition for conquest" as most other Pharaohs practiced. Muhammad, on the other hand, "evangelized with the sword", just as we see today. The result was that the entire Arab world continued in its new found monotheism to the present.
What Muhammad and Akhenaten had in common:
Both were born into families who worshipped hundreds of pagan gods. Both actively worshipped as pagan polytheists until their conversions to monotheism as adults. Both were strongly influenced by the monotheism of other religions. Jews and Christians. Both converted to a form of monotheism, where they continued to worship one pagan god. We call this repackaged polytheism. Both elevated obscure, lessor known deities to the top position. Aten and Allah Both chose the gods of celestial objects: sun and moon. Both banned the worship of all other pagan gods but the one pagan god they had selected. Both retained the name of the old polytheistic gods which the general population were familiar with: Aten and Allah. Both retained pagan practices and concepts in their new found monotheism. Both employed symbolic logos to represent their gods: solar disk with sun rays. Although Muhammad my not have directly adopted the crescent moon symbol, it was adopted shortly after his death. Both made themselves the highest human representative on earth for their gods. High priest and Muhammad the last and greatest prophet. Neither men performed any miracles or displayed any divine powers as both Moses and Christ and the apostles did when Judaism and Christianity were begun. Muhammad was a prophet without supernatural power. How Muhammad and Akhenaten differed:
Akhenaten's chose a lower ranking god "Aten" to be his highest god, whereas Muhammad chose "Allah" who, although not the most popular god, was considered to be a top ranking god. While both were former polytheists converted to monotheism, Akhenaten continued to worship the sun itself, whereas, Muhammad's merely retained the disk of the crescent moon as a symbol for the one true god "Allah" who created the sun and moon. In this regard Muhammad's monotheism was superior to Akhenaten's. But then again, Muhammad had a 2600 year advantage of history over Akhenaten! Akhenaten's religion was one that did not require faith as it worshipped the visible sun as god. Muhammad's religion does require faith as it worships an invisible god. While Muhammad continued to worship the same pagan moon god in the same pagan temple (Kaba) before and after his conversion to monotheism, Akhenaten created a new temple in a new city for the old pagan god. The symbols and rituals of Islam are re-enactment rituals borrowed from the Bible with a grotesquely distorted mythical twist. We suggest Muhammad would have done much better had he hired a more imaginative "new religion writer". Akhenaten is clearly superior, for like Judaism and Christianity, Akhenaten realized that a new religion needed unique symbols and meanings. Muhammad failed to come up with anything new, but heavily plagiarized other religions and local myths. Akhenaten gets points for originality. While Christ introduced unique and new spiritualized meanings to physical Judaism, Islam merely creates physical re-enactment's of historical events as seen in the "stand", "walk" and "throw" rituals of Islam. These ritual re-enactment's evoke emotion, in the same way a remembrance day service does, but nothing new is happening. Akhenaten tolerated some other religions to be practiced under his domain. Muhammad murdered those who attempted to openly practice Christianity under his domain. Akhenaten was a pacifist who deplored "murdering his opposition for conquest" as most other Pharaohs practiced. Muhammad, on the other hand, "evangelized with the sword". In the absence of miraculous signs and powers, Muhammad chose the necessary path to ensure his newly invented religion would endure. Akhenaten's religion of monotheism collapsed shortly after his death, while Muhammad's has endured the centuries. Reference notes from Encyclopedia Britannica:
"The new religion. The religion of the Aton is not completely understood. Akhenaton and Nefertiti worshipped only this sun-god. For them he was "the sole god." Akhenaton had dropped his older-name Amenhotep, and the name "Amon" was also hacked out of the inscriptions throughout Egypt. Here and there the names of other gods and goddesses were removed, and sometimes the words "all gods" were eliminated. The funerary religion dropped Osiris, and Akhenaton became the source of blessings for the people after death. The figure of Nefertiti replaced the figures of protecting goddesses at the corners of a stone sarcophagus. Yet Akhenaton and Nefertiti directed their worship only to the Aton." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 402, 1979) "The Aton religion was a happy nature worship, without an ethical code. Men were asked only to be grateful to the sun for life and warmth. It was unlike the awful austerity of the great gods of former Egypt, who might punish man for disobedience. It was quite unlike the heavy demands that the Hebrew god would lay upon his people. In the Aton religion there was no "Thou shalt. . ." and no "Thou shalt not."" (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 402, 1979) "When Akhenaton died, he was succeeded briefly by Smenkhkare and then by a second son-in-law, Tutankhaton. The latter was forced to change his name back to Tutankhamen, dropping the Aton and embracing Amon, to abandon Amarna and move back to Thebes, and to pay penance by giving the old gods new riches and privileges. When the tomb of Tutankhamen was discovered in the hills of western Thebes in 1922, it gave a final illustration of the sumptuous glories of Amarna art. A few years after the death of this young king, the army took over the throne in the person of General Horemheb. He instituted counter reforms in order to restore the old system fully." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 403, 1979)
1. Polytheistic worshippers prayed 5 times a day towards their local kaba’s. 2. "The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab, Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi, Vol 1, p 121-122, Muslim)
1. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca ( 2. The Encyclopedia of Islam p. 303) Worshippers in pagan Sabian religion that worshipped stars were "obliged to pray three times a day" ( Preliminary Discourse to the Koran, Sale, 1801)
1. At first, Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews, started directing his prayers towards Mecca. Today, monotheistic Muslims pray 5 times a day towards Mecca to Allah. Muhammad grafted this pagan practice into Islam.
Question................. A.B. says: Jesus belonged to an order called the Nazarines. He never referered to his followers as Christians, nor will you find anywhere in the bible where he uses the terms. Evenso, his followers of today call themselves Christians
Wasn't the Apostle Paul who pinned the name Christians during his travels of spreading the Doctrines of Jesus Christ?
Paul was not, nor was he ever an apostle. Barnabus was the one who introduced him to the other twelve, but never was he considered an apostle.
Paul the Apostle From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos, c.5 – c. 67), original name Saul of Tarsus (Greek: Σαῦλος Saulos),[4] was a Christian missionary who took the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[5] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age and one of the greatest religious leaders of all time.[6] [7] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Being a Jew and a Roman citizen were ideal pedigrees for his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences.[5] A native of Tarsus, the capital city in the Roman province of Cilicia,[2] he wrote that he was "a Hebrew born of Hebrews", a Pharisee,[8] and one who advanced in Judaism beyond many of his peers. He zealously persecuted the early followers of Jesus and violently tried to destroy the newly-forming Christian church. Paul's dramatic conversion experience with the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus dramatically changed the course of his life.[5] After his conversion to Christ, he began to preach that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and the Son of God.[9] His leadership, influence, and legacy led to the formation of communities dominated by Gentile groups that worshiped the Lord, adhered to the "Judaic moral code", but relaxed or abandoned the ritual and dietary teachings of the Law of Moses. He taught that these laws and rituals had either been fulfilled in the life of Christ or were symbolic precursors of Christ, though the exact relationship between Paul the Apostle and Judaism is still disputed. Paul taught of the life and works of Jesus Christ and his teaching of a New Covenant, or "new testament",[10] established through Jesus' death and resurrection. About half of the New Testament stems from Paul and the people whom he influenced. Thirteen of the 27 books in the New Testament have been attributed to Paul, and approximately half of the Acts of the Apostles deals with Paul’s life and works. However, only 7 of the 13 letters can be accepted as being entirely authentic. The other 6 letters are believed to have come from followers writing in his name, using material from Paul's surviving letters and letters written by him that no longer survive.[6] [11] [5] Today, his epistles continue to be deeply rooted in the theology, worship, and pastoral life in the Roman and Protestant traditions of the West, as well as the Orthodox traditions of the East.[12] Among the many other apostles and missionaries involved in the spread of the Christian faith,[5] his influence on Christian thought and practice has been characterized as being as "profound as it is pervasive".[12] Augustine of Hippo developed Paul's idea that salvation is based on faith and not "works of the law".[13] Martin Luther's interpretation of Paul's writings heavily influenced Luther's doctrine of sola fide. The Bible does not record Paul's death.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 2:43AM
A.B. Madyun
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #177)
When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #58)
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular prayer: for prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do.
( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #45)
They will say: "Did there not come to you your messengers with Clear Signs?" They will say, "Yes". They will reply, "Then pray (as ye like)! But the prayer of those without Faith is nothing but (futile wandering) in (mazes of) error!"
( سورة غافر , Ghafir, Chapter #40, Verse #50)
We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #144)
From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #149)
So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither: that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #150)
Keep digging, Dave. You may dig up a diamond!!!
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 3:02AM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
"...Prophet Moses beat stone. Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.’ So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, “My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, ‘By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone.” Abu Huraira added, “By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating.” ..."
I am not a hadithist for a very good reason. As it states in your findings, this is the reason why various Muslims broke up into sectarianism raising rampant confusion. These sectarianists place more importance of hadith over the Quran, which is pure hadith. No hadith is authentic unless it agrees with the words of Allah in the Qur'an. There are various versions of the hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). The Sahih Bukhari, and Sahih Muslim versions are the most accepted as being sahih (authentic). This above siting is a monstrous writing. Furthermore, I can guarantee you that no such writing exists in Sahih Bukhari. To prove it, I would suggest to anyone who doesn't believe that these various informants are not authoritative on the reporting Islam, Muslims, the prophet, the Qur'an, or any other aspect of the religion, my advice is to purchase all 9 volumes of Bukhari, and I guarantee you that you will not find this kind of garbage in neither volume. I am not guessing about it, because I own the Bukhari, and Muslim editions of the hadiths as well as the most recommended forty hadiths, and the books are worn because I read them. What I don't do is rely upon them.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:28AM
A.B. Madyun
KEEP READING ,,,,,,
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:45AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE END !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:52AM
DAVID JOHNSON
NOTE !
"Knowledge is a blessing...but it is also a burdes....not a curse , as the idiotic Biblical/Koran compilers would have you believe with the silly anecdote of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. The dumbest story ever told and the most nonsensical story ever swallowed. In fact the inspiration for that story came right off of the walls of the temples in Ancient Egypt. In fact it's still there....The Goddess Seshat offering the god Rameses II the fruit from the tree of life. The Greeks and Southern Syrians saw it on the walls of Ancient Egypt and copied it down but because they didnt understand the origin of the Bas Relief they just made up stories concernig all of the things they saw on the walls....HISTORICAL FACT. That's where your Bible Actually came from. It was STOLEN FROM THE LITERATURE OF ANCIENT EGYPT (the stone and the papyrus literature)
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:56AM
DAVID JOHNSON
History, Scholarship and Science. 2013
After all the REPETITIOUS pastings above
------BOTTOM LINE
BIA is a site for African American Families to SHATTER stereotypes and misconceptions
Judaism, Christianity, AlIslaam ----CLAIM -----MONOTHEISTIC thought from the Creator of Adaam(as)
-----------------As an American i have Thinking 2013----of Democracy----MAJORITY rules...........
judaism-has few adherents 2013-----and history of Christian Genocide and hatred from MANY christianity---MAYBE practiced around 20AD-33AD --- kingJames paganChristianity version 2013 paganChristianity---practiced 300AD-1864(1964)----antiJudaism-antiMonotheism
ALISLAAM, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) practiced 620-2013 --- 1400 YEARS+ ---THE SAME by 2 BILLION Muslims WORLDWIDE 2013-------
David, I've heard many preachers use the term "you were bought with a price". I would think that this phrase would have more of an inferior psychological affect on Blacks than Whites, because during slavery it meant you have been sold and have a new slavemaster!
Tell me where in the Bible is this phrase located?
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 9:31AM
Helen Lofton
Helen,,,that is a bible passage that can found in 1 Corinthians 6:20
they clam that price is the shed blood of jesus , instead of the blood of the slaves !
"...if i didn't know better i 'd swear you was quoting the bible what im teaching goes far beyond ISLAM !
STOP ,,,telling story's about the bible and just because it says http://en.wikipedia does not make it truth...... but suspect ! "I accept very little evidence from so-called white peoples academic archeology and history because it is flawed particularly from England." THIS IS CALLED 'P.L.A.G.I.A.R.I.Z.A.T.I.O.N'....IT'S ILLEGAL TODAY. YOU GO TO JAIL FOR IT..."
Chuckle, Chuckle!! Slow down tiger! You're trying to put everybody to sleep with your long books! Look who's talking plagiarizing. You are piece of work, you are! All you're doing is plagiarizing. I mean, where are you trying to convince us that your sources are...out of the air? You're giving your unqualified references to boot! When I use for example anything from wikipedia, you are discounting that I am only using these different accounts which confirm the quotes that I also employ from the Qur'an, the words of Allah. In the Qur'an Allah (G_d) bids you to iqraa (read):
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
Taught man that which he knew not.
Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds,
In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.
Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all).
Seest thou one who forbids-
A votary when he (turns) to pray?
Seest thou if he is on (the road of) Guidance?-
Or enjoins Righteousness?
Seest thou if he denies (Truth) and turns away?
Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?
Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock,-
A lying, sinful forelock!
Then, let him call (for help) to his council (of comrades):
We will call on the angels of punishment (to deal with him)!
Nay, heed him not: But bow down in adoration, and bring thyself the closer (to Allah)!
(H.Q., سورة العلق , Al-Alaq, 96:1-19)
And whose words is more accountable than Him who created you? Do you also deny the word of Allah over whom he created? Or, do you choose to reject the one greater than yourself? You are bound to submit to your maker, and you will do so either willingly, or unwillingly. He (Allah) has the power of both your life and death. If you choose to continue your arrogance, then it's like whatever floats your boat. You are the one who will be brought into account for your deeds. I keep telling you this is not about what knowledge I have. It's about the one who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between, and beyond them.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 10:55AM
A.B. Madyun
Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #36)
Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #172)
But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #173)
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82)
Say: "Spend (for the cause) willingly or unwillingly: not from you will it be accepted: for ye are indeed a people rebellious and wicked."
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #53)
Allah (G_d) serves fair warning to those who are adamant upon resisting faith.
And this (He commands): Judge thou between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they beguile thee from any of that (teaching) which Allah hath sent down to thee. And if they turn away, be assured that for some of their crime it is Allah's purpose to punish them. And truly most men are rebellious.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #49)
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:02AM
A.B. Madyun
ahh ROBERT POWELL the big mouth fake muslin with the slave name ..HAS anyone notice BOB stayed clear of this post ,,only to watch from the side lines he realized the scholarship was way over his head so he is now trying to sneak in through a closed window such a hypocrite but I i got news for you BOB anything you try to add to this will considered trash ,junk , garbage ,its low lifes like you BOB that dont know anything but want to be in everything you clam to be a muslin all your life but still got a slave name what kind of **** is that,,? Ill tell you ,,BULL**** ! take your ass back to the rodeo !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
It's best to recognize the truth when it comes to you, buddy. This is nothing to play with, so if you're just trying to be funny, I would rethink my position if I were you. In my childhood, I was always taught that G_d was nothing to play with. This is serious, and should be taken as such. If you choose to do likewise, your affair is with Allah, and not with me. If you seriously believe that the weak writings you offer here hold any weight in the eyesight of Allah, then wait until the day that we all will be gathered up. Then we will both see who was right and who was wrong:
Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: "Wait ye: we too are waiting."
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #158)
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:09AM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun ,your information is false !your copying and pasting the from the Koran I have been over that already its a book of lies ,,GO BACK AND RE READ THEN GO TO THE NEXT STAGE ,,, NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THE KORAN ,,HELL YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO GET MESSAGE TO THE BLACK MAN IT HOLDS MORE WEIGHT ! DONT ALLOW YOURSELF TO PASS UP ON THE LIGHT IN YOUR EYES ,,,GO BACK AND RE READ SO YOU CAN TEACH YOU PEOPLE THE TRUTH START WITH YOUR KIDS ! GOD IS IN YOU YOU ! YOU DONT NEED RELIGION ! NO GO FORTH AND BE FRUITFUL ......GO MY SON !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:15AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Koran is a book of myths, fables and fairy tales. No kidding! The Qur'an is a revised counterfeit of 6th century polytheism, composed of previously existing pagan beliefs, practices and fairy tales
Does the Koran teach reverse evolution? Suras 2:65; 7:163-166
For example: The Koran says men were turned into apes because they broke the Sabbath. This was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:20AM
DAVID JOHNSON
OK ANSWER PLEASE .... The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true. "Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283). "The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29). The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166). The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends. In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:21AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I WILL WAIT !!!
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:22AM
DAVID JOHNSON
CANT GET THERE ,,I understand ,,while you searching look this up to !
you get to get deeper then that come on now did you know It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.
ok I WILL WAIT HERE FOR YOU ANSWER TO THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS !
COME ON NOW lets talk about ... The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:28AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Suit yourself, David. It's your life. I don't have to answer for you, and you don't have to answer for me. When we go before Allah for judgment, he is not going to ask me about David Johnson. When you go before Allah, He is not going to ask you about A.B. Madyun. Alhamdulillah!!! I am most grateful that I am not in your shoes, my brother.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:36AM
A.B. Madyun
"COME ON NOW lets talk about ... The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time."
If you think so. The author of the Qur'an that I read is Allah. What Muhammad are you talking about...Muhammad Jones that lives over on Eddy Street at the hotel!!! LOL Chuckle Chuckle
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:40AM
A.B. Madyun
Say those without knowledge: "Why speaketh not Allah unto us? or why cometh not unto us a Sign?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike. We have indeed made clear the Signs unto any people who hold firmly to Faith (in their hearts).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #118)
As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter: Nor will Allah (Deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleans them (of sin): They shall have a grievous penalty.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #77)
Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46)
Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #63)
Already has He sent you word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #140)
(They have incurred divine displeasure): In that they broke their covenant; that they rejected the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah's word; We need no more)";- Nay, Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe;-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #155)
Fables? Hmmm!! Sounds like some fables that any who are wise would certainly reflect upon!!!
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:47AM
A.B. Madyun
YOU GOT jokes ,however it does not answer the question ! but i understand because the TRUTH ,exposes all lies ,,,,,,!
The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:50AM
DAVID JOHNSON
my people perish from lack of knowledge ,,now the light of truth is on you now have a choice to choose , I HAVE SET BEFORE YOU LIFE AND DEATH YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BE HANDCUFFED TO RELIGION OR BE SPIRITUAL AND FREE FROM THE SLAVE MASTERS GRIP ,,,,,,CHOOSE WISELY ! TEACH THIS TO YOUR KIDS SO THE CAN HELP BRAKE THE GENERATIONAL CURSE ! I LOVE MY PEOPLE ! BE BLESSED AS I AM !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:58AM
DAVID JOHNSON
MY WORK HERE IS DONE !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 12:00PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Egypt came first. They colonized Phoenicia and Phoenicia colonized Carthage. Phoenicia was trading with Egypt in the 6th century BCE when Necho II hired them to circumnavigate Africa. They went east to west from the Red Sea and then back through Gibraltar and the Mediterranean.
There is no test for “change agents.” Just like there is no test for change. It just happens when it happens, but change is stonewalled more times than not. Blacks in America just have never agreed on how the progress we say we all want can ever come about. The divide often stems from realities of what’s real versus the realities of what could be. There’s always someone who either can see the new reality or won’t see the new reality. The investiture in the status quo always seems to conquer the idealism that encompasses change. The call for unity is often a fraudulent call to accept compromised realities. At other times, the call is made by false prophecies and even more false prophets. The legitimacy questions of who’s more legitimate than whom. And, of course, legitimacy is defined by no construct of one’s own. Whatever the reason, ideas about progress somehow never give way to unity. It’s never about unity, but the “winners” and “losers” in the cause of change. Rarely, change is the winner because of the mindset that if we all can’t win, none of us will win. We can’t move the ball up the field ten yards at a time. It’s a touchdown or interception on a “Hail Mary” pass. Some of us can’t win now and others win later. Because those at the bottom of the well don’t trust that there will be a later. So nobody goes anywhere. Just look at the absence of change in every city in America. The evidence of “lost battles” are in evidence. Change is not in evidence.
Every organization, group, cluster, “movement” I’ve ever been involved in, over three decades, was undermined on the “unity” tip. Even in the 21st Century “change movement,” the vestiges of Black disunity that causes the Black divide in the 19th and 20th Centuries continue to persist. It doesn’t mean change won’t occur. It just means some will catch the bandwagon on the other side (if they ever catch it at all). The call for unity is the toughest challenge for Black America. It’s almost as impossible as electing a Black President. At least I can say I’ve seen one of them in my lifetime. I have serious doubts about the other.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 2:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hanno the Navigator sailed from Carthage down into the Gulf of Guinea in the 5th century BCE, and it was around this time that Africans sailed to the Gulf of Mexico and spread their culture through the Olmec Civilization.
Paul was "not a Disciple" he wasn't with Christ and the 12 Disciples ... Yes Barnabus and His Wife were the first to meet Paul... and on the way to Damascus Paul was blinded....
after this Saul witnessed the risen Christ, which fulfilled the qualification for an apostle (Acts 1:21-22). Only those who had seen the risen Christ could testify to his resurrection.....
Christianity owes its initial dissemination to two men of vastly different backgrounds and personalities: Peter and Paul.
Paul Paul, on the other hand, was the powerhouse who fueled the growth of Christianity. It is safe to say that it was due to Paul more than anyone else that Christianity grew from a small sect within Judaism to a world religion.
Paul was first and foremost an enigma. His original name was Saul of Tarsus. A Jew, he inherited Roman citizenship, perhaps granted by the Romans as a reward for mercenary service. This might explain why he had two names: He used his Jewish name, Saul, within the Jewish community and his Roman name, Paul, when speaking Greek.
He had a strict Jewish upbringing and received training as a rabbi in Jerusalem under Gamaliel. Like most rabbis, he supported himself with a manual trade; in his case, tent making. He obviously grew into a man of some sophistication.
Although it is fairly certain that he never met Jesus while in Jerusalem, he learned enough about him and his followers to regard the Christian movement as a threat to Pharisaic Judaism, of which he was an enthusiast. He had become a member of the Pharisees, the Jewish sect that promoted purity and fidelity to the Law of Moses.
Paul's first appearance on the historical Jewish-Christian landscape was as an oppressor of the members of the newly founded church. Serious persecutions of Christians started with converts in Jerusalem, and Saul was a fierce advocate of the regime of persecution. So eager was Saul to pursue, threaten, and slaughter Christians that he went to the high priest to request letters to the synagogues of Damascus so that if he discovered Christians, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. As he came near Damascus, it is written in Acts 9:
Meaning: An apostle is a messenger and ambassador. Someone who champions a critical reform movement, belief or cause. (more so in the Christian context).
A disciple is a follower and student of a mentor, teacher, or any other wise person. Someone who accepts and helps in spreading the teachings of another or simply put one who learns any art or science.
Pre-Islamic Arabia From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nabataean trade routes in Pre-Islamic Arabia Pre-Islamic Arabia refers to the Arabic civilization which existed in the Arabian Peninsula before the rise of Islam in the 630s. The study of Pre-Islamic Arabia is important to Islamic studies as it provides the context for the development of Islam.
Studies
Scientific studies of Pre-Islamic Arabs starts with the Arabists of the early 19th century when they managed to decipher epigraphic Old South Arabian (10th century BCE), Ancient North Arabian (6th century BCE) and other writings of pre-Islamic Arabia. Thus, studies are no longer limited to the written traditions, which are not local due to the lack of surviving Arab historians' accounts of that era; the paucity of material is compensated for by written sources from other cultures (such as Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc.), so it was not known in great detail. From the 3rd century CE, Arabian history becomes more tangible with the rise of the Ḥimyarite, and with the appearance of the Qaḥṭānitess in the Levant and the gradual assimilation of the Nabataeans by the Qaḥṭānites in the early centuries CE, a pattern of expansion exceeded in the explosive Muslim conquests of the 7th century. Sources of history include archaeological evidence, foreign accounts and oral traditions later recorded by Islamic scholars—especially in the pre-Islamic poems—and the Ḥadīth, plus a number of ancient Arab documents that survived into medieval times when portions of them were cited or recorded. Archaeological exploration in the Arabian Peninsula has been sparse but fruitful; and many ancient sites have been identified by modern excavations. Prehistoric to Iron Age
Ubaid period (5300 BCE) - could have originated in eastern Arabia. Umm an-Nar Culture (2600–2000 BCE) Sabr culture (2000 BCE) Magan and 'ad Further information: ʿĀd and Majan (Civilization) Magan is attested as the name of a trading partner of the Sumerians. It is often assumed to have been located in Oman. The A'adids established themselves in South Arabia (modern-day Yemen), settling to the east of the Qahtan tribe.[citation needed] They established the Kingdom of ʿĀd around the 10th century BCE to the 3rd century CE. The ʿĀd nation were known to the Greeks and Egyptians. Claudius Ptolemy's Geographos (2nd century CE) refers to the place by a Hellenized version of the inhabitants of the capital Ubar.
Thamud
The Thamud (Arabic: ثمود) were a people of ancient Arabia, either a tribe or a group of tribes, that created a large kingdom and flourished from 3000 BCE to 200 BCE.[citation needed] Recent archaeological work has revealed numerous Thamudic rock writings and pictures not only in Yemen but also throughout central Arabia. They are mentioned in sources such as the Qur'an, old Arabian poetry, Assyrian annals (Tamudi), in a Greek temple inscription from the northwest Hejaz of 169 CE, in a 5th-century Byzantine source and in Old North Arabian graffiti around Tayma. They are mentioned in the victory annals of the Neo-Assyrian King, Sargon II (8th century BCE), who defeated these people in a campaign in northern Arabia. The Greeks also refer to these people as "Tamudaei", i.e. "Thamud", in the writings of Aristotle[clarification needed], Ptolemy, and Pliny. Before the rise of Islam, approximately between 400–600 CE, the Thamud totally disappeared.
South Arabian kingdoms
Main article: Ancient history of Yemen
Main article: Minaeans
During Minaean rule, the capital was at Karna (now known as Sa'dah). Their other important city was Yathill (now known as Baraqish). The Minaean Kingdom was centered in northwestern Yemen, with most of its cities lying along Wādī Madhab. Minaean inscriptions have been found far afield of the Kingdom of Maīin, as far away as al-Ūlā in northwestern Saudi Arabia and even on the island of Delos and Egypt. It was the first of the Yemeni kingdoms to end, and the Minaean language died around 100 CE .[1]
Kingdom of Saba (9th century BCE – 275 CE)
Main articles: Sabaeans and Sheba During Sabaean rule, trade and agriculture flourished, generating much wealth and prosperity. The Sabaean kingdom was located in Yemen, and its capital, Ma'rib, is located near what is now Yemen's modern capital, Sana'a.[2] According to South Arabian tradition, the eldest son of Noah, Shem, founded the city of Ma'rib.
During Sabaean rule, Yemen was called "Arabia Felix" by the Romans, who were impressed by its wealth and prosperity. The Roman emperor Augustus sent a military expedition to conquer the "Arabia Felix", under the command of Aelius Gallus. After an unsuccessful siege of Ma'rib, the Roman general retreated to Egypt, while his fleet destroyed the port of Aden in order to guarantee the Roman merchant route to India. The success of the kingdom was based on the cultivation and trade of spices and aromatics including frankincense and myrrh. These were exported to the Mediterranean, India, and Abyssinia, where they were greatly prized by many cultures, using camels on routes through Arabia, and to India by sea.
During the 8th and 7th century BCE, there was a close contact of cultures between the Kingdom of Dʿmt in northern Ethiopia and Eritrea and Saba. Though the civilization was indigenous and the royal inscriptions were written in a sort of proto-Ethiosemitic, there were also some Sabaean immigrants in the kingdom as evidenced by a few of the Dʿmt inscriptions.[3][4]
Agriculture in Yemen thrived during this time due to an advanced irrigation system which consisted of large water tunnels in mountains, and dams. The most impressive of these earthworks, known as the Marib Dam, was built ca. 700 BCE and provided irrigation for about 25,000 acres (101 km2) of land[5] and stood for over a millennium, finally collapsing in 570 CE after centuries of neglect.
Kingdom of Hadhramaut (8th century BCE – 3rd century CE)
Main article: Hadhramaut
The first known inscriptions of Hadramaut are known from the 8th century BCE. It was first referenced by an outside civilization in an Old Sabaic inscription of Karab'il Watar from the early 7th century BCE, in which the King of Hadramaut, Yada`'il, is mentioned as being one of his allies. When the Minaeans took control of the caravan routes in the 4th century BCE, however, Hadramaut became one of its confederates, probably because of commercial interests. It later became independent and was invaded by the growing Yemeni kingdom of Himyar toward the end of the 1st century BCE, but it was able to repel the attack. Hadramaut annexed Qataban in the second half of the 2nd century CE, reaching its greatest size. The kingdom of Hadramaut was eventually conquered by the Himyarite king Shammar Yahri'sh around 300 CE, unifying all of the South Arabian kingdoms.[6] Kingdom of Awsān (8th century BCE – 6th century BCE)
Main article: Kingdom of Awsan
The ancient Kingdom of Awsān in South Arabia (modern Yemen), with a capital at Ḥagar Yaḥirr in the wadi Markhah, to the south of the Wādī Bayḥān, is now marked by a tell or artificial mound, which is locally named Ḥajar Asfal. Kingdom of Qataban (4th century BCE – 3rd century CE)
Main article: Qataban
Qataban was one of the ancient Yemeni kingdoms which thrived in the Beihan valley. Like the other Southern Arabian kingdoms, it gained great wealth from the trade of frankincense and myrrh incense, which were burned at altars. The capital of Qataban was named Timna and was located on the trade route which passed through the other kingdoms of Hadramaut, Saba and Ma'in. The chief deity of the Qatabanians was Amm, or "Uncle" and the people called themselves the "children of Amm".
Kingdom of Himyar (2nd century BCE – 525 CE)
Main article: Himyarite Kingdom The Himyarites rebelled against Qataban and eventually united Southwestern Arabia, controlling the Red Sea as well as the coasts of the Gulf of Aden. From their capital city, Zafar (Thifar), the Himyarite kings launched successful military campaigns, and had stretched its domain at times as far east to the Persian Gulf and as far north to the Arabian Desert. During the 3rd century CE, the South Arabian kingdoms were in continuous conflict with one another. Gadarat (GDRT) of Axum began to interfere in South Arabian affairs, signing an alliance with Saba, and a Himyarite text notes that Hadramaut and Qataban were also all allied against the kingdom. As a result of this, the Aksumite Empire was able to capture the Himyarite capital of Thifar in the first quarter of the 3rd century. However, the alliances did not last, and Sha`ir Awtar of Saba unexpectedly turned on Hadramaut, allying again with Aksum and taking its capital in 225. Himyar then allied with Saba and invaded the newly taken Aksumite territories, retaking Thifar, which had been under the control of Gadarat's son Beygat, and pushing Aksum back into the Tihama.[7][8] Aksumite occupation of Yemen (525 – 570 CE) [edit] The Aksumite intervention is connected with Dhu Nuwas, a Himyarite king who changed the state religion to Judaism and began to persecute the Christians in Yemen. Outraged, Kaleb, the Christian King of Aksum with the encouragement of the Byzantine Emperor Justin I invaded and annexed Yemen. The Aksumites controlled Himyar and attempted to invade Mecca in the year 570 CE. Eastern Yemen remained allied to the Sassanids via tribal alliances with the Lakhmids, which later brought the Sassanid army into Yemen, ending the Aksumite period. Sassanid period (570 – 630 CE)
Main article: Sassanid Empire
The Persian king Khosrau I sent troops under the command of Vahriz (Persian: اسپهبد وهرز), who helped the semi-legendary Sayf ibn Dhi Yazan to drive the Ethiopian Aksumites out of Yemen. Southern Arabia became a Persian dominion under a Yemenite vassal and thus came within the sphere of influence of the Sassanid Empire. After the demise of the Lakhmids, another army was sent to Yemen, making it a province of the Sassanid Empire under a Persian satrap. Following the death of Khosrau II in 628, the Persian governor in Southern Arabia, Badhan, converted to Islam and Yemen followed the new religion.
North Arabian Kingdoms
Kingdom of Qedar (8th century BCE – ?)
Main article: Qedarite
The most organized of the Northern Arabian tribes, at the height of their rule in the 6th century BCE, the Kingdom of Qedar spanned a large area between the Persian Gulf and the Sinai.[9] An influential force between the 8th and 4th centuries BCE, Qedarite monarchs are first mentioned in inscriptions from the Assyrian Empire. Some early Qedarite rulers were vassals of that empire, with revolts against Assyria becoming more common in the 7th century BCE. It is thought that the Qedarites were eventually subsumed into the Nabataean state after their rise to prominence in the 2nd century CE. The Achaemenids in Northern Arabia
Main article: Arabia (satrapy)
Al Khazneh in the ruins of Petra (Jordan)
Achaemenid Arabia corresponded to the lands between Egypt and Mesopotamia, later known as Arabia Petraea. According to Herodotus, Cambyses did not subdue the Arabs when he attacked Egypt in 525 BCE. His successor Darius the Great does not mention the Arabs in the Behistun Inscription from the first years of his reign, but mentions them in later texts. This suggests that Darius conquered this part of Arabia.[10][11]
The Achaemenids in Northern Arabia [edit] Main article: Arabia (satrapy)
Al Khazneh in the ruins of Petra (Jordan) Achaemenid Arabia corresponded to the lands between Egypt and Mesopotamia, later known as Arabia Petraea. According to Herodotus, Cambyses did not subdue the Arabs when he attacked Egypt in 525 BCE. His successor Darius the Great does not mention the Arabs in the Behistun Inscription from the first years of his reign, but mentions them in later texts. This suggests that Darius conquered this part of Arabia.[10][11]
Nabateans
Main article: Nabataeans The Nabataeans are not to be found among the tribes that are listed in Arab genealogies because the Nabatean kingdom ended a long time before the coming of Islam. They settled east of the Syro-African rift between the Dead Sea and the Red Sea, that is, in the land that had once been Edom. And although the first sure reference to them dates from 312 BCE, it is possible that they were present much earlier.
Petra (from the Latin petrae, meaning 'of rock') lies in the Jordan Rift Valley, east of Wadi `Araba in Jordan about 80 km (50 mi) south of the Dead Sea. It came into prominence in the late 1st century BCE through the success of the spice trade. The city was the principal city of ancient Nabataea and was famous above all for two things: its trade and its hydraulic engineering systems. It was locally autonomous until the reign of Trajan, but it flourished under Roman rule. The town grew up around its Colonnaded Street in the 1st century and by the middle of the 1st century had witnessed rapid urbanization. The quarries were probably opened in this period, and there followed virtually continuous building through the 1st and 2nd centuries CE.
Palmyra and Roman Arabia
Main articles: Palmyra, Arabia Petraea, and Romans in Arabia
There is evidence of Roman rule in northern Arabia dating to the reign of Caesar Augustus (27 BCE – 14 CE). During the reign of Tiberius (14–37 CE), the already wealthy and elegant north Arabian city of Palmyra, located along the caravan routes linking Persia with the Mediterranean ports of Roman Syria and Phoenicia, was made part of the Roman province of Syria. The area steadily grew further in importance as a trade route linking Persia, India, China, and the Roman Empire. During the following period of great prosperity, the Arab citizens of Palmyra adopted customs and modes of dress from both the Iranian Parthian world to the east and the Graeco-Roman west. In 129, Hadrian visited the city and was so enthralled by it that he proclaimed it a free city and renamed it Palmyra Hadriana.
The Roman province of Arabia Petraea was created at the beginning of the 2nd century by emperor Trajan. It was centered on Petra, but included even areas of northern Arabia under Nabatean control. Recently has been discovered evidence that Roman legions occupied Mada'in Saleh in the Hijaz mountains area of northwestern Arabia, increasing the extension of the "Arabia Petraea" province.[12] The desert frontier of Arabia Petraea was called by the Romans the Limes Arabicus. As a frontier province, it included a desert area of northeastern Arabia populated by the nomadic Saraceni.
Qahtanites
Further information: Lakhmids, Ghassanids, Kindah, Kahlan, History of the Levant, Syria (Roman province), Arabia Petraea, and Arab people In Sassanid times, Arabia Petraea was a border province between the Roman and Persian empires, and from the early centuries CE was increasingly affected by South Arabian influence, notably with the Ghassanids migrating north from the 3rd century. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of non-Muslims out of Yemen to the north and southwestern borders.
The Ghassanids revived the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria. They mainly settled the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinian Territories and Jordan. The Ghassanids held Syria until engulfed by the expansion of Islam. Greeks and Romans referred to all the nomadic population of the desert in the Near East as Arabi. The Greeks called Yemen "Arabia Felix" (Happy Arabia). The Romans called the vassal nomadic states within the Roman Empire "Arabia Petraea" after the city of Petra, and called unconquered deserts bordering the empire to the south and east Arabia Magna (Larger Arabia).
The Lakhmids settled the mid Tigris region around their capital Al-Hirah they ended up allying with the Sassanid against the Ghassanids and the Byzantine Empire. The Lakhmids contested control of the central Arabian tribes with the Kindites, eventually destroying Kindah in 540 after the fall of Kindah's main ally at the time, Himyar. The Sassanids dissolved the Lakhmid kingdom in 602.
The Kindites migrated from Yemen along with the Ghassanids and Lakhmids, but were turned back in Bahrain by the Abdul Qais Rabi'a tribe. They returned to Yemen and allied themselves with the Himyarites who installed them as a vassal kingdom that ruled Central Arabia from Qaryah dhat Kahl (the present-day Qaryat al-Fāw) in Central Arabia. They ruled much of the Northern/Central Arabian Peninsula until the fall of the Himyarites in 525 CE.
Bedouin tribes
Approximate locations of some of the important tribes and Empire of the Arabian Peninsula at the dawn of Islam (approximately 600 CE / 50 BH).
Consisted of major clans and the tribes were nomadic. The lineage followed through males, since the tribes were named after the males ancestors.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:31PM
A.B. Madyun
"...The Koran is a book of myths, fables and fairy tales. No kidding! The Qur'an is a revised counterfeit of 6th century polytheism, composed of previously existing pagan beliefs, practices and fairy tales..."
"...NOTE !
"Knowledge is a blessing...but it is also a burdes....not a curse , as the idiotic Biblical/Koran compilers would have you believe with the silly anecdote of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. The dumbest story ever told and the most nonsensical story ever swallowed. In fact the inspiration for that story came right off of the walls of the temples in Ancient Egypt. In fact it's still there....The Goddess Seshat offering the god Rameses II the fruit from the tree of life. The Greeks and Southern Syrians saw it on the walls of Ancient Egypt and copied it down but because they didnt understand the origin of the Bas Relief they just made up stories concernig all of the things they saw on the walls....HISTORICAL FACT. That's where your Bible Actually came from. It was STOLEN FROM THE LITERATURE OF ANCIENT EGYPT (the stone and the papyrus literature)..."
"...The Koran is a book of myths, fables and fairy tales. No kidding! The Qur'an is a revised counterfeit of 6th century polytheism, composed of previously existing pagan beliefs, practices and fairy tales..."
"...OK ANSWER PLEASE .... The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true..."
"...A.B. Madyun ,your information is false ! (Then prove it conclusively) your copying and pasting the from the Koran I have been over that already its a book of lies ,,GO BACK AND RE READ THEN GO TO THE NEXT STAGE ,,, NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THE KORAN ,,HELL YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO GET MESSAGE TO THE BLACK MAN IT HOLDS MORE WEIGHT ! DONT ALLOW YOURSELF TO PASS UP ON THE LIGHT IN YOUR EYES ,,,GO BACK AND RE READ SO YOU CAN TEACH YOU PEOPLE THE TRUTH START WITH YOUR KIDS ! GOD IS IN YOU YOU ! YOU DONT NEED RELIGION ! NO GO FORTH AND BE FRUITFUL ......GO MY SON !..."
"...you get to get deeper then that come on now did you know It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1..."
I knew that if you kept digging long enough, you'd come up with the diamond. Here is what Allah says in Qur'an concerning the above charges:
Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients."
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #25)
When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."
( سورة الأنفال , Al-Anfal, Chapter #8, Verse #31)
Buyah!!! Quit while you're behind, pal. You are the one who is spitting out all of the European rhetoric. Where do you think all that fancy BS comes from. It certainly didn't come from you, and assuredly it didn't come from a divine source. You are so so-called "black," in your pseudo blackness do you drink your coffee black too? How about your toast in the morning? Is it also black? Do you always wear black attire? You should, because you sound like ol' "black" Joe to me. You are too blind to realize that as long as you place all this importance on the color "black," you are playing right into the white bigotry scheme of the Jacobite. I told you that he knows dumb n*ggas better than they know themselves. What black and white means to you does not mean the same thing to him. You are the one who uses it as a racist tool. He only uses it as an advantage over your ignorance of the knowledge of self. He gives you the illusion that he is using it as a racial gesture against your color, yet all the time, he commercially blacks you out. You're in the dark, and the darkness (blackness) that you have become so grossly enveloped into, has completely blinded you out of the picture as a non entity. So, as a result, all you sede that is left for you is to waste your precious time 24/7 trying to convince yourself that you're a scholar of history. Yet you are not willing to accept historical realities. You have even discounted G_d as the one responsible for any good that has come to you. Perhaps you feel that none has. Maybe you are right, but don't blame it on G_d. You get out of life what you put into it my friend.
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. - Galatians 6:7-8 -
That man can have nothing but what he strives for;
( سورة النجم , An-Najm, Chapter #53, Verse #39)
And We shall try you until We test those among you who strive their utmost and persevere in patience; and We shall try your reported (mettle).
( سورة محمد , Muhammad, Chapter #47, Verse #31)
Sorry, Charlie...only the finest tuna!!! GAME!!! NEXT!!!! LOL
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:36PM
A.B. Madyun
Muhammad is not the originator of the Qur'an as Moses did not originate the Torah, nor did Jesus originate the bible. Muhammad received the revelation, unlike Moses who talked with G_d face to face, but he received the revelation through the angel, Jibril (Gabriel). Muhammad was an unlettered man as were most of the Arabs of his time. The Arabs prided themselves, however, in their impeccable abilities to be able memorize. He was not even able to scribe the words of Allah himself, so he dictated to the sahabas who wrote it down on scrolls. Whether you believe this or not means not a hill a' beans to anybody. You are just one out of billions of other souls contained in a vast universe that appear as even less than a speck (perhaps as we see a germ) in the eyesite of Allah almighty.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:44PM
A.B. Madyun
The charge that Muhammad made up the Qur'an is preposterous. How could any unlettered man ever produce as beautiful a miracle as that of the beautiful words of the Qur'an? Muhammad received the revelation of Quran as a confirmation of all scripture that came before it. If any who believe to be scholars have learned anything from history, G_d always sends a messenger once every one hundred years to renew the faith as a necessity to man's forgetfulness. Every faculty of man cannot function without the permission of it's maker. Only a fool would contest this fact.
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:53PM
A.B. Madyun
Who on this page is more intelligent than his maker? Only a fool would claim such a foolish notion. Quit while you're behind!!! Take good advice while you can. Don't be a complete fool!!
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 4:55PM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun,
Thanks for the link to the Wikipedia article. That's what I like about Wikipedia, I've now got a ton of references for further research.
You said:
"G_d always sends a messenger once every one hundred years to renew the faith as a necessity to man's forgetfulness."
I have heard that Muhammad is the seal of the prophets.
As a marine we have what is called Marine Marching Cadence I was trained in Paris Island, The place that God forgot, The sand was fourteen inches deep, The sun was blazing hot. He awakened up one morning, In front of his rack he?ll stand, And in through the doorway walked, A giant of a man.
He turned and faced this young Marine, With eyes as cold as steel, He said, I am your DI, And this is for real. I’ll make your life as miserable, As miserable as I can, And when you finally leave this place, You’ll be a fighting man. You’ll be a rifle expert, You’ll know your weapon well, And when you finally leave this place, You know you’ve paid your dues. and will never ever be a fool !
When one cannot refute a person's scholarship...one must seek alternative and 'lesser' means at maintaing a sense of credibility.....so one therefore resorts to inflammatory characterization of the person, NOT REFUTATION OF THE SCHOLARSHIP BROUGHT TO BEAR ON THE SUBJECT MATTER BY THAT PERSON. Typical behaviour of a sore loser (smile). Your warped logic maintains otherwise. Still with the links...huh? No command of the very information with which you seek to instruct us upon. Your too incompetent to attack the scholarship therfore you find it easier to 'discredit' those who furnish us with it. This is what those of us who are actually intelligent describe as "attempting to SOUND intelligent'. I can assure, there is a marked difference. You disappoint me A.B. Madyun . Thought you would bring it, come harder. I've made many like you walk out of the classroom in a fit of exessive dismay. And you know what A.B. Madyun...I haven't even dropped the good stuff yet. I was waiting for a real scholar to show up....you aint it. So I'll reserve the 'big guns' for those who warrant it,,THIS BLOG WILL BE ON LOCK DOWN IN 24 HRS !
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 6:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ok... challenge me... Big Bro.... what cha wanna know? Christianity questions Only!
where in the bible does it say faith without works is dead !???
Wednesday, May 15th 2013 at 11:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Mom them damn sand flees ,aint no joke ,snakes swamp and alligators.. .and dry heat ! whooraa !
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 12:39AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson...
"...When one cannot refute a person's scholarship...one must seek alternative and 'lesser' means at maintaing a sense of credibility.....so one therefore resorts to inflammatory characterization of the person, NOT REFUTATION OF THE SCHOLARSHIP BROUGHT TO BEAR ON THE SUBJECT MATTER BY THAT PERSON. Typical behaviour of a sore loser (smile). Your warped logic maintains otherwise. Still with the links...huh? No command of the very information with which you seek to instruct us upon. Your too incompetent to attack the scholarship therfore you find it easier to 'discredit' those who furnish us with it. This is what those of us who are actually intelligent describe as "attempting to SOUND intelligent'. I can assure, there is a marked difference. You disappoint me A.B. Madyun . Thought you would bring it, come harder. I've made many like you walk out of the classroom in a fit of exessive dismay. And you know what A.B. Madyun...I haven't even dropped the good stuff yet. I was waiting for a real scholar to show up....you aint it. So I'll reserve the 'big guns' for those who warrant it,,THIS BLOG WILL BE ON LOCK DOWN IN 24 HRS !..."
I must say, David...you say some of the most interesting comments. Oh, well!!!! I do remember reading somewhere in this thread, or maybe it was on another blog, where you described yourself as a comedian. No...David, you're wrong once again. You accused me of stooping so low as to call you out of your name. Let's be reasonable with each other, David. As usual, I will leave all the insulting, name calling, and poor selection of charges strictly on you. You seem to be much more proficient in that area than I. What the hell...you spend enough time practicing your craft...right? If you would go back, my friend, and read what I read, nowhere will you find where I made references of a fool with your name attached to it. So it looks to me as though you have categorically labeled yourself as a fool since you thought I was referencing you. But then it is said, and you have given a very intellectual credence to the old saying that "if the shoe fits, wear it." So in your scholarly musings, you picked it up that I was talking about you even though your name was not mentioned. I'm the one who is disappointed, David. And you think that I've been the poor sport? Shouldn't you really rethink that quip, David? I would if I were you. It would be beneficial...and, oh! BTW...I'll give you a pass on the part about your charge of my incompetence. On your part, anyone is allowed to make an "incompetent" mistake. Don't worry. I wouldn't feel too down hearted for committing the same error that you did. It happens to the beat of us. Like I said to Harry, it is better to not say anything and let people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt. Now don't panic and go off on the deep end once again. That doesn't have your name on it either. Just ponder over the wisdom and grow. As a friend, I am immensely interested in your growth and development. I would hate to see you end up as one who is only impressed with his own press relief. 24/7!!! HOLLA'!!!
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 7:48AM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
"...sore loser."""
Now that's a good one!!! Chuckle, Chuckle!!
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 7:50AM
A.B. Madyun
@DAVID James 2:14-26
Faith Without Works Is Dead 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Thanks for the link to the Wikipedia article. That's what I like about Wikipedia, I've now got a ton of references for further research.
You said:
"G_d always sends a messenger once every one hundred years to renew the faith as a necessity to man's forgetfulness."
I have heard that Muhammad is the seal of the prophets.
Meaning that none have come after him?
When and why did God stop sending prophets?
Are sure about the hundred year interval?
Did God send prophets only to the Middle East? ..."
Steve...are you aware that all of the prophets in history originated out of the middle east? If you really think about it, during the time of the prophets, that was the only known to be settled part of the world. That was the makeup of the known world at the time. Why do you think that there is a need for more prophets though all prophecies have already been fulfilled? Perhaps you are confusing prophets with messengers too. The prophets were messengers as were they also prophets of G_d. However, they are not the only messengers that Allah sends to man. He will always continue to send messengers to every people as both as warners, and reminders. You are welcome to try and disprove this if you have something better. If you do, please share it. It is most welcome. BTW...do you think that there were ever any prophets sent to Europe, since the cradle of civilization is in Africa/Middle East?
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 9:25AM
A.B. Madyun
"...But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c]..."
This is no reference to you either, David!!! Are you happy now??? But since you brought it up.....hmmmm!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 9:30AM
A.B. Madyun
A.B.,
Prophet is an interesting word. It derives from Greek. Were the Greeks from Africa/Middle East?
SIS, you know about the resurrection in the bible right ,now let me show you where the story came from !
The good king Osiris was in his twenty-eighth year. He and his sister-wife Isis had been given the rich, fertile black land of the Nile valley and delta, whereas brother Seth and his sister-wife Nephthys were bequeathed the barren, red desert lands. Seth felt cheated. In their land, the royal couple Osiris and Isis were much beloved, having taught their people the ways of agriculture and a nonviolent life. Seth’s tribe, on the other hand, were still a ragtag group of warriors and hunters who had to scratch subsistence from the desert mountains and valleys. They wanted what Osiris had.
While the goddess Isis was away, Osiris generously invited his brother Seth and Seth’s whole entourage to join him and his people in a harvest festival, with abundant food and copious amounts of wine and beer. The palace was all in festivity of music and dancing and merriment.
Seth appeared, bearing a gift—a box richly adorned with jewels and gold. As a party game, he announced he would give the box to any man or woman who might lie down in it and fit exactly. Of course, the trick was that it had been built precisely to the proportions of Osiris. Like Cinderella’s glass slipper, it would fit none except its rightful owner. When Osiris lay within it, Seth and his seventy-two rabble-rousing companions closed him up inside and sealed the coffin with lead.
Amid the ensuing confusion and under the cover of darkness, Seth’s gang hurried the box down to the river’s edge and threw it into the Nile, drowning Osiris in the jeweled coffin. The river carried his body inside the box downstream, until it finally came to rest in a foreign land, moored against a tamarisk tree that grew around the coffin, completely trapping the body of Osiris within.
When Isis finally heard the news, she was beside herself with grief. She came home to find that Osiris was dead, his body had vanished, and her younger brother was her husband’s murderer. In the manner of widows of her nation, she cut off all her beautiful long hair and walked barefoot along the banks of the river, searching for the body of her husband. She no longer resembled the beautiful queen of Egypt, but appeared in the grim visage of a hag; thus her own people rejected and scorned her. At last, following the river, she discovered that the chest had sailed down the Nile, clear out of Egypt into the Mediterranean Sea, and had been cast onto the shores of Byblos and lodged in the branches of the tamarisk tree. Even though Osiris was hidden, the good wife Isis recognized that the tree contained the body of her husband and so would not leave it.
In the meantime, stories abounded in Byblos of an amazing tree that apparently had sprung up overnight beside the shore of the sea. The king of Byblos was so astounded by the beautiful tree, by its sturdiness, and by its miraculous growth that he had it hewn down and brought to his capital city to make it into the central pillar for his palace.
Dutiful Isis followed the fallen tree all the way to the palace gates. There she sat outside the community well, weeping and wondering what to do now that her husband’s body had been taken from her yet again. Common as she seemed on the outside, Isis attracted the interest of the palace servants and the princesses. Who was this strange, ravaged yet beautiful woman sitting beside their well, and why was she crying? As the handmaidens of the queen came closer, they realized this mysterious woman exuded a fragrant perfume from the pores of her skin. Divine beings were said to have a fragrance that was the mark of their divinity, so the servants and princesses reasoned that this woman must be a goddess in hiding.
Because of the delicious odor of sanctity about the woman, the queen decided to give Isis the royal babe to nurse. Thus Isis was taken into the palace as nursemaid and given an infant to suckle and proximity to her husband again. Isis soon became an indispensable part of the palace household and was the much-loved nurse to the king and queen’s children. Having lost a husband, Isis knew there is no worse grief than the death of a loved one, so she decided to give the child of this queen a rare gift indeed for mortals—the gift of immortality.
At night, while the palace slept, Isis made magic. She performed a divine alchemy by thrusting the babe into the fire to burn away his mortality. While the magical fire performed its task on the hearth, the goddess transformed herself into a kite. She flapped her wings, fluttering about the column in which Osiris resided, keening and lamenting his death with strange, shrill, mournful songs.
This alchemical magic went on for some days, but on the last night of the transforming ritual for the babe, the strange singing of the hawk goddess awakened the queen, who went to investigate. Seeing her child in flames, the queen shrieked and dragged the babe from the fire, thus breaking the spell and depriving him of immortality. Seeing that her gift had been rejected, Isis swooped down before the terrified queen and reassumed her true form as a goddess.
Terrified of having a woman of such power in her kingdom, the queen quickly asked, "What do you want?" She was willing to give anything to get rid of this witch in her house.
"I want the pillar that contains Osiris," Isis said.
Immediately granting her request, the queen had the pillar cut down and sent home with Isis in one of the king’s boats.
The Lamentations of Isis was a sorrowing festival held on October 3 to bemoan the loss of light in the northern hemisphere. Six months later, on April 3, came another festival celebrating the return of the light, when Isis found Osiris. On the third night of the festival, the priests went to the river’s edge, removed from a box a casket of gold into which they poured holy water, and cried "Osiris is found!" Then fertile soil, spices, and incense were mixed to form a crest of mud, representing the union of Isis and Osiris.
Among the Greek initiates of Isis, this feast day was linked to the Thesmophoria, a festival devoted to Demeter, the goddess of agriculture and marriage. Like Isis, Demeter had also lost a loved one, her daughter Persephone, to the power of the underworld. As Osiris arose to bring renewed life in Egypt, so did Persephone return to initiate the spring growing season in Greece.
The Greek historian Herodotus reported that two women of noble birth from Egypt, called the Danaids, brought these sacred rites to Peloponesia and taught the women there how to celebrate the feast day. In Athens two noble women were chosen to preside over the festival as Isis and Nephthys. They alone performed the temple duties and prepared the festal meal. The Thesmophoria was strictly a women’s festival, and a part of the mysteries included mixing seed corn with menstrual blood and planting it to initiate a bountiful agricultural year. After the planting, the women cloistered themselves within the temple to commune with the goddess during the night.
The mystery rites of Isis and Osiris were held in Egypt year after year. Participants returned annually to the temples to be reinitiated and to celebrate the festival of renewal. Performing the Osirian rites was a sacred act of remembering. To forget one’s name and one’s relationship to the Divine was to die while still living. It was the worst of all possible sins. Therefore, the rites were celebrated yearly. Each year, Osiris was mourned; each spring, his body and spirit were reunited; each spring, he was remembered and reborn.
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 10:54AM
DAVID JOHNSON
HAY sis here is something i was going to pull off the shelves a while back ! ohh this is good !!1 The Historical Origin of Christianity" by Dr. Walter Williams according to him he is offering 5000 cash to someone that can deputes there never was a man who walk the earth named Jesus Christ there never was a man who walk the earth called prophet Muhammad he goes on to say,you have every right to be a christian or a Muslim ,he says Im not telling you what to be , what this shows me is CHRISTINA was 10000 % right in her teachings on religion !
all the answers you want to know about it is in the post i will ad the links ,but first here is the link to Dr. Walter Williams http://youtu.be/gKUMAsUE0FI this is good also remember the name ''Soto'' I can realiy teach on the topic from there because while everyone else was talking in class i was doing research and studying for years !@,,,
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 11:12AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Yes... I remember Christina blogging about that...
I studied the intro of this in my Black Psyc class... I utilitezed that blog of yours while I was studying... Orisis and Egyptian writings.... I found that info to be very helpful... as a matter of fact... I have your Blog (copied and saved) even if it's lost here... I still have it.... it's like 300 pages of text
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 1:24PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
looks like this blog is worth copying and saving as well
Maybe that's the purpose of the ol' joke; "it sounds like Greek to me!!!" I prefer the standard meaning of being one who foretells the future. Here are the more standardized versions that at least attempt to define the term:
prophets plural A person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah (among Muslims) Muhammad (among Mormons) Joseph Smith or one of his successors A person who advocates or speaks in a visionary way about a new belief, cause, or theory a prophet of radical individualism A person who makes or claims to be able to make predictions the anti-technology prophets of doom The prophetic writings of the Old Testament or Hebrew scriptures, in particular (in Christian use) The books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and the twelve minor prophets (in Jewish use) One of the three canonical divisions of the Hebrew Bible, distinguished from the Law and the Hagiographa, and comprising the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the twelve minor prophets Web definitions
an authoritative person who divines the future someone who speaks by divine inspiration; someone who is an interpreter of the will of God http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn...
(prophecy) knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a divine source) (prophecy) a prediction uttered under divine inspiration http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn...
They seem to fit better in the natural scheme of things than the L. Ron Hubbard approach of making up your own definition. That can only suit a personal purpose, having no real, or useful significance in the natural order of creation. It is called the Din al-Fitr' (the natural order in which G_d set His creation).
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 2:48PM
A.B. Madyun
BTW...There are many more definitions for the word, prophet, but none of them fit the profile of the description of a "preacher." However these are more suitable submissions to fit our purpose.
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 3:43PM
A.B. Madyun
"...A.B., Prophet is an interesting word. It derives from Greek. Were the Greeks from Africa/Middle East?..."
Interestingly enough, Steve, you're close. One thing that's for certain though, and that is that Greece did not exist at the beginning of world civilization. Would you like to rebut this? While you do (if you do) while making your preparation, check this out
To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal's book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.
J.A. Rogers in s*x and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their "black ancestors" who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.
According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Ku****e and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)
Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.
Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: "I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races ...[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world's great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people". The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.
The Eurocentrists attempt to prove there was "considerable cultural and linguistic continuity from the twelfth century to the eight century BC" ,in the Aegean . Yet there is no way it can be proven that Indo-European Greeks have always been in Greece. This view on the continuity between the Linear B Greeks and later Greeks held by Lefkowitz is disputed by Hopper who noted that " after all, so much which characterizes Minoan Crete seems wholly alien to later Greece, despite the efforts of scholars to detect 'continuity' " .
Given the wealth of Afrocentric literature it would seem logical that the Eurocentric "resisters" review these works, and point out the weaknesses within these text to prove that Afrocen- trism is a "myth" (Lefkowitz 1992). But, instead of doing just this, the "resisters" simply mention text written by Afrocentric scholars and then attack Black Athena, as if Afrocentrism is based solely on this text.
Dr. Molefi Kete Asante has observed that: " The aim is to open [Afrocentric] fields of inquiry and to expand human dialogue around questions of social, economic, historical and cultural concern. Everything must be run through the sieve of doubt until one hits the bedrock of truth. Our methods, based on the idea of African centeredness, are meant to establish a clear pattern of discourse that may be followed by others". Based on this definition Black Athena, is not an Afrocentric work. This book is meant to imply that the Hyksos or Semitic speaking west Asians developed civilization in Greece not the blacks. This book because of its lack of African centeredness fails the test of an Afrocentric work..
Black Athena, is not the Afrocentric Bible on Black Egypt. We doubt that Cheikh Anta Diop would even agree with most of the thesis of this book. Trigger observed that:
"Although he [Bernal] has acquired an enthusiastic following among
exponents of negritude and occasionally describes some of the Egyptian
Pharaohs as "black" or "Nubian", he aligns himself not with Anta Diop but with more moderate "Negro intellectuals"...who...do see Egypt as essentially African" .
Bernal (1987,1991) believes that the Greeks resulted from a mixture of European and (Semitic speaking) Mediterranean people.
In volume 2 of Black Athena , Bernal outlines his thesis that the "Egyptians" founded Greek civilization. But these "Egyptians" are not blacks, they are Semitic speakers. Bernal (1991) makes it clear that he believes that the civilization of the Aegean was founded by Semitic speaking Phoenicians, and the Semitic speaking Hyksos Dynasty of Egypt.
Bernal (1991) sees Hyksos invaders as Hurrian, Semitic, Indo-Iranian speakers. As a result he believes that the Danaos and Kadmeans or Egyptian founders of Thebes in Greece, were the Hyksos. (Bernal 1991, p.495) In general, Bernal (1991) believes that when the Hyksos were driven from Egypt, they settled in the Aegean and developed civilization.
Bernal's view of the Hyksos as the founders of Grecian civilization has nothing to do with the work of Afrocentric scholars. The problem with Bernal (1991) is that he believes that the "Pre-Hellenes" or Pelasgian people were Indo-European speakers. This view is not held by Afrocentric scholars who recognize that the founders of Athens and Attica were blacks. Diop (1974,1991) and Clyde Ahmad Winters (1983b) make it clear that Blacks came to Greece in prehistoric times and remarried in Greece in significant numbers until classical times. Therefore the apparent errors in Bernal's Black Athena, should not be seen as proving that Afrocentric scholars are wrong. These errors only prove that Bernal (1991) has failed to prove that the Hyksos founded civilization in the Aegean.
Afrocentric scholars are accused of using old and outdated sources. This is true of some Afrocentric scholars who have written books based on secondary sources. Yet, those Afrocentric scholars such as DuBois, Diop (1974,1991), J.A. Rogers, Parker (1917,1918), Winters (1983b,1985b,1989a,1989b) use up-to-date sources to prove historical facts about the African past, even before Diop used primary sources to illuminate the African past. These Afrocentric scholars of African and African-American origin because of their unique character as a black people unaware of their specific original African home have not been blinded by ethnocentrism to look for the history of blacks in one part of Africa and the world. These scholars have sought to illuminate the African past throughout the world.
For example, Parker (1917,1918) used anthropological, archaeological, historical and classical sources to prove that blacks once lived in the Aegean. Parker (1917,1918) used the Greek classics to prove that the Pelasgians were of African origin. He also discussed the origin stories about the Pelasgic founders of selected Grecian cities and proved that these men were blacks and not Indo-Europeans. Parker (1917, pp.341-42) also observed that "the great Grecian epics are epics of an African people and Helen, the cause of the Trojan war, must henceforth be conceived as a beautiful brown skin girl" . These Africans sailed to the Greece from North Africa.
These facts seem to unequivocally explain why a great number of Greek people are of dark complexions. This is world history according to science which is exteremely difficult to refute without employing science and logic again as opposed to opinionated views. Just as Asia Minor was overran by Alexander the Great in early world history, so too did his father, Phillip II conquer Greece.
Alexander was a Macedonian Greek. The people who lived in Greece and its immediate neighbors at the time were whiter, taller, and more Northern-looking than the current Mediterranean "dark whites" who live there now, most of whom are descended from both Turks, and the European natives.
At the time, Macedonia was an independent state, made up mostly of native Greeks, with a handful of Barbarians from further north. Ethiopians had little to do with any part of Greece at the time, and all coins images of Alexander, as well as his father Philip I of Macedon, clearly portray men with Caucasian features, typical of Greek art.
However, following his conquest, it would be consistent with the time frame of events that followed that would validate the greeks dark complexions. Some jurists believe that the original Greeks were of African descent, but to date there are no definite proofs to bear this out as fact. What is fact is that possibly, before, and after Phillip II and Alexander's conquests, it is documented that there was a great degree of trade between Greece, and Egypt.
Ethiopia was seen as a mythical land at the farthest edges of the earth which was recorded in some of the earliest Greek literature of the eighth century B.C., including the epic poems of Homer. Greek gods and heroes, like Menelaos, were believed to have visited this place on the fringes of the known world. However, long before Homer, the seafaring civilization of Bronze Age Crete, known today as Minoan, established trade connections with Egypt. The Minoans may have first come into contact with Africans at Thebes, during the periodic bearing of tribute to the pharaoh. In fact, paintings in the tomb of Rekhmire, dated to the fourteenth century B.C., depict African and Aegean peoples, most likely Nubians and Minoans. However, with the collapse of the Minoan and Mycenaean palaces at the end of the Late Bronze Age, trade connections with Egypt and the Near East were severed as Greece entered a period of impoverishment and limited contact.
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 4:53PM
A.B. Madyun
yes sis this blog has a lot of good info ,,lets hope it doesn't need editing !
Thursday, May 16th 2013 at 5:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
A.B. Madyun,
I have no argument with the African origin of Greek civilization. Just to know if we're on the same page though, do you believe that humans evolved in Africa and that all humans the world over can trace their beginning to Africa?
In the sense of foretelling the future, I can right now foretell the demise of America. God has not given me a vision, except in the sense that God has given me the powers of observation, reasoning and drawing conclusions.
In the sense of interpreting the will of God, I reserve that power to myself. It is again, a power that the Creator bestowed on me. That is not to say that I fail to see the inspiration God gives to others.
For instance, the Egyptian text I posted above, The Origin of the World, is a inspiration to me. Did you like it?
I also accept that the Creator has not revealed all to me. I don't know with certainty what will happen to me when I die, but Hell seems extremely unlikely. It doesn't conform to my understanding of the Creator. I think the most likely outcome is reincarnation, and this again is based on the observation of the cyclic nature of Creation.
In the sense of foretelling the future, I can right now foretell the demise of America. God has not given me a vision, except in the sense that God has given me the powers of observation, reasoning and drawing conclusions..."
I can do the same thing, except my version would be slightly different form yours most likely, because what you think is going to happen to America is already happening. Still doesn't make either of us a "prophet." It only means that we can come to a reasonably logical conclusion of what will become of America. So your deduction is in perfect line being consistent with defining the difference between a visionary, and a prophet. Prophets are inspired by G_d in their predictions through divine intervention. You and I have not been appointed to any divine missions, Steve.
Friday, May 17th 2013 at 10:46AM
A.B. Madyun
Reincarnation is the religious or philosophical concept that the soul or spirit, after biological death, begins a new life in a new body that may be human, animal or spiritual depending on the moral quality of the previous life's actions. One of the primary beliefs of Islam is the belief in the Hereafter, resurrection, the Paradise and the Hell.
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning]:
“Everyone shall taste death. Then unto Us you shall be returned”[ al-‘Ankaboot 29:57 ] And He says (interpretation of meaning):
“To Him is the return of all of you. The Promise of Allah is true. It is He Who begins the creation and then will repeat it, that He may reward with justice those who believed and did deeds of righteousness. But those who disbelieved will have a drink of boiling fluids and painful torment because they used to disbelieve” [ Yunus 10:4 ] He also says [interpretation of the meaning]:
Verily, He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting.
And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender)” [ Maryam 19:94-95 ] And He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allah! Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Surely, He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt” [ al-Nisa’ 4:87 ] And He says concerning the disbelievers who think they will not be resurrected (interpretation of the meaning):
“The disbelievers pretend that they will never be resurrected (for the Account). Say (O Muhammad): Yes! By my Lord, you will certainly be resurrected, then you will be informed of (and recompensed for) what you did; and that is easy for Allaah” [ al-Taghaabun 64:7 ] Allah says refuting those who claim reincarnation (interpretation of the meaning):
Do they not see how many of the generations We have destroyed before them Verily, they will not return to them. [ Ya-Sin 36:31 ] Which means " do you not learn a lesson from those nations whom Allah destroyed before you of those who disbelieved in the Messengers. They came to this world only once, and will not return to it."
There are several hadith as well which mention and confirm resurrection. For example:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “In man there is a bone which will not be consumed by the earth, and from it he will be regenerated on the Day of Resurrection.” They asked, “What bone is that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “The tailbone.” (Narrated by Muslim, 5255). The idea of reincarnation is rejection and denial of resurrection and hereafter and it has been refuted by texts of Islam.
Friday, May 17th 2013 at 11:00AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
A.B. Madyun,
"...I have no argument with the African origin of Greek civilization. Just to know if we're on the same page though, do you believe that humans evolved in Africa and that all humans the world over can trace their beginning to Africa? ..."
In fact, just recently, a group of white hunters made an astonishing discovery, just in case you are unaware of man's beginnings. As probably most of us recall, it was from the outsetmostly just talk that man's beginning was believed to be in Africa. Here is an article documenting the latest find:
Oldest Human Fossils Found Ancient Skulls Provide Crucial Details of Evolution
by Christopher Joyce June 11, 200312:00 AM
After six years of analysis, fossil hunters in Africa have confirmed the discovery of the oldest fossilized remains of modern humans yet found — portions of skulls belonging to people who lived 160,000 years ago. Paleontologists say the discovery adds detail to a crucial period in human evolution, and confirms the hypothesis that modern humans evolved in Africa. NPR's Christopher Joyce reports.
A team led by University of California, Berkeley paleontologist Tim White found the fossils in desert sands near the Ethiopian village of Herto.
"These are the oldest fossils that we can confidently place in our own species, Homo sapiens," says White.
The bones were uncovered in 1997, but it took six years to clean the pieces, glue them together and analyze their features. Because the fossils were in volcanic sediment, they could be reliably dated based on radioisotopes in the soil. White's team puts their age at 160,000 years. That beats the previous record for a human fossil by tens of thousands of years.
Two of the skulls from Herto belonged to adult males, and one to a child of six or seven. Each of the adult skulls was remarkably big.
"We compared this with skulls of 6,000 modern humans, and still after that comparison not one was as big and robust as the Herto male," says White. "These were very, very large robust people."
And yet they were also like modern-day humans in almost every feature. The face is flat with prominent cheekbones, but without the protruding brow ridge of pre-human ancestors or Neanderthals. And the braincase is rounded, like a soccer ball, rather than the football shape of earlier human ancestors.
There are other fossils of early humans almost as old. But they're only fragments, and the dating is unreliable — a common problem in paleontology. But these skulls are almost complete, says Harvard paleontologist Daniel Lieberman, and that provides what paleontologists crave: certainty.
"What's really exciting about these fossils is that they are the best early modern humans we have ever found and the best dated — this is just like nailing the coffin shut," says Lieberman. "We've got a good date now."
The fossils also confirm what genetic research has recently proposed: that modern humans evolved in Africa. There's little question that pre-human ancestors first appeared in Africa. Or that about 2 million years ago, they left Africa to populate parts of Asia, the Middle East and Europe. But some say primitive humans evolved into modern humans in many places around the world. Others, such as paleontologist Chris Stringer from the Museum of Natural History in London, say modern humans clearly evolved in in Africa.
"What this discovery in Ethiopia shows is that the shared features of modern humans — our high-rounded brain case, small brow ridges — originated in Africa," says Stringer.
Those first real humans, he says, most likely left Africa in a second wave that eventually replaced the remnants of the first, pre-human diaspora.
According to Berkeley's Tim White, the evidence also lays to rest any notion that Neanderthals were direct human ancestors. Rather, he says, they were a branch of pre-human evolution that remained isolated in Europe.
The study appears in the current issue of the journal Nature.
The question that I would like to propose to you, Steve is do you disbelieve it, and if so, where do you believe man's beginnings started...in Europe?
Friday, May 17th 2013 at 11:13AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
"...In the sense of interpreting the will of God, I reserve that power to myself. It is again, a power that the Creator bestowed on me. That is not to say that I fail to see the inspiration God gives to others.
For instance, the Egyptian text I posted above, The Origin of the World, is a inspiration to me. Did you like it?..."
In fact I loved it! I found it most interesting, and very beautifully composed, and immensely entertaining. Nonetheless, it did not expose any concrete information outside the authors's vision of how he viewed it, so it was solely his own conception of "The Origin of the World." This comes not as my critical view...just my own personal observation.
I have no argument with the African origin of Greek civilization..."
Not questioning any argument that you may have concerning the African origin of Greek civilization. I'm just responding to your question, Steve. Do you remember it?:
"...Were the Greeks from Africa/Middle East?..."
Friday, May 17th 2013 at 11:34AM
A.B. Madyun
A.B Madyun,
Yes, I had heard of Tim White's discovery. And yes I believe all the evidence points to the origin of humans in Africa approximately 160,000 to 200,000 years ago.
If I'm not mistaken, all of the major finds have been found in Ethiopia, near both the Red Sea and the headwaters of the Nile. So it is natural that migrations would very early on have occurred along these waterways.
Egypt appears to be the oldest civilization we know of, older than Babylonia. Evidence is that the Egyptians colonized the eastern shore of the Mediterranean and even as far as the Caucasus. Which is one of the reasons I laugh when I'm called a Caucasian. The Phoenicians, whose ancestors were Egyptian, became a seafaring nation and colonized the north and south shores of the Mediterranean.
So yes the Greeks have a Middle East origin. The Greeks also studied in Egypt and appropriated what the Egyptians already knew, such as Geometry
The Phoenicians also colonized Carthage. Carthage had African influence, and Greece had European influence. Many peoples had evolved after migrating out of Africa during those 160,000 years.
What really amazes me is that within the space of 160,000 years all major areas of the world had been populated and the many different types of humans had evolved to what we see in the modern day.
“The disbelievers pretend that they will never be resurrected (for the Account). Say (O Muhammad): Yes! By my Lord, you will certainly be resurrected, then you will be informed of (and recompensed for) what you did; and that is easy for Allaah” [ al-Taghaabun 64:7 ]
So when I am resurrected, will I be judged by righteous works, or by correct belief?
I'm glad you enjoyed The Origin of the World. I'm still working through it, and it will certainly bear a rereading. I haven't read all of the Gnostic gospels, but the ones I have read have all been interesting. Asclepsius is another notable one.
Friday, May 17th 2013 at 3:21PM
Steve Williams
Reincarnation.... I gotta read that... I do believe in Reincarnation.....
"...So when I am resurrected, will I be judged by righteous works, or by correct belief?..."
According to the words of Allah (G_d), you will be judged by both. Correct belief, as I understand it, is any belief that is dedicated to the worship of one deity with sincerity and devotion. Here is some other info from Quran that bears relevance to this:
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Maeda, 5:44)
To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
(Holy Qur'an, Yunus, 10:47)
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 11:00AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
"...but the ones I have read have all been interesting. Asclepsius is another notable one..."
Yes...I'll be sure to look that one up. I would imagine that it would be a good reading, and most interesting. Thank you for the reference, Steve. It might be a good idea to purchase yourself an Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation of the Noble Holy Qur'an. Because of his writing style, it may give you a clearer picture of what you read. I am sure that you will probably run across some articles that may draw criticism from yourself. But remember this...that the translation is according to the mindset of the translator. That is the reason why Allah (G_d) has in His mercy allowed the Qur'an to be the only book of which it's original Arabic revelation has been preserved (not tampered with or destroyed) for all time. This so that the reader has the freedom to free his mind from the mind of the trasnslator. There are many translations that are in many languages. I believe that we discussed it earlier about beating women (as an example). The Arabs believe that women are secondary citizens, and so as a nationalistic culture they beat their wives. This is not an Islamic belief, however. It is an Arab practice. Don't get Arabs and Muslims confused. They are not the same. There are Arabs who are of other religions such as Christianity. The largest Muslim population in the world is in Indonesia. Islam is not an Arab religion, as Malcolm pointed out when he made his Hajj journey back in '65. He sited that he had witnessed Caucasian Muslims from Europe along with Muslims from other parts of the world along with himself sharing drink from the same cup.
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 11:18AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams...
Remember also, Steve, that since Asclepsius is mythology, translated, mythology is the same as a fairy tale...it is not real. Horses do not have wings, for instance, as I am sure that you are aware, and there is only one deity, not multiple ones. Those are all fairy tale cartoons, and not reality.
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 11:25AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams....
Another good reading (book) that you may find to be most enlightening is called the "Mask of G_d" by Joseph Campbell. In this book is demonstrated how the Jacobite uses mythology to mask reality in symbolism in order to keep truth hidden from the public. Mythology is no accident that was produced merely for entertainment. That could lead to more harm than good. So this author unmasks the symbolism with the truth.
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 11:31AM
A.B. Madyun
The typically negroid features of the Pharaohs (Narmer, First Dynasty, the actual founder of the Pharaonic line; Zoser, Third dynasty,; Cheops, the builder of the Great pyramid, a Cameroon type; Menthuhotep, founder of the Eleventh Dynasty, VERY BLACK; Sesostris I; Queen Ahmosis Nefertari; and Amenophis I) show that all classes of the Egyptian society BELONGED TO THE SAME BLACK RACE."
GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (U.N.E.S.C.O.) (Ancient Civilizations of Africa II) (Abridged ed. copyright 1981 publ.1990; Chapt.1 pg.17 para.8) United Nations Educational Scientific & Cultural Organization International Scientific Committee for the Drafting of a General history of Africa
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"A review of studies covering the biological relationship of the ancient Egyptians was undertaken. An overview of the data from the studies suggests that the MAJOR biological affinities of early southern Egyptians lay with TROPICAL AFRICANS."
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 1:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Book of Thoth
Setna is a recurring character in ancient Egyptian literature. One of the sons of Rameses II, Setna was an accomplished magician, statesman, scholar, and something of an adventurer. His position as the son of the pharaoh, but too far down the line ever to rule is actually a common one for the court scribe. That he existed is no question, but like King Arthur and other quasi-historical figures, his exploits have no doubt been inflated over the years.
This story dates to several centuries following the reign of Rameses. By this time stories of Setna had reached epic proportions, and the former court scribe was elevated to the status of mythic hero. This is one of the more complete stories told about him, and certainly one of the best. Loudly do the people sing of Setna, son of the Great Rameses, most learned man in Egypt. A great scholar, he was able to read all of the old writings and decipher the most ancient texts. No symbol in Egypt was unknown to him, even the ones on the walls of the crumbling temples from the oldest of days. He was also a mighty magician, perhaps the mightiest in Egypt, for he had learned the magical arts from the secret texts that not even the priests of Amen-Ra could read.
Because of this, he would often spend his days studying ancient writings and listening to the stories told by the elders and the scribes. Every day his servants would bring him rolls of papyrus from libraries and temples all over Egypt. He would read them and his scribes would make copies of them to place in his father's library. Thus Rameses' kingdom was a kingdom of learning. One day he read in a crumbling scroll about another son of another pharaoh who had been a scribe and magician: Nefrekeptah, the son of Amenhotep. He had lived three hundred years earlier and had been regarded as the mightiest magician in Egypt, for he had found and read the Book of Thoth, the secrets of the god of wisdom. The Book of Thoth was a collection of magics that would enable the reader to know the language of the animals, to cast great spells, even to enchant the sky and the earth itself!
Setna desired the book for himself that he too might drink of its knowledge. He learned that it had been buried with Nefrekeptah at the Memphis necropolis. Setna sought his brother, the mighty Anheru and asked him for help. "I will go with you, my brother," said Anheru, "I shall be your sword and shield." It was not difficult to find Nefrekeptah's tomb. As they were the sons of the pharaoh, the priests allowed them to enter. The brothers broke the seals and made their way to the central chamber. There lay Nefrekeptah in his sarcophagus with a great roll of papyrus on his chest. To his left and right there were two chairs. In one of the chairs was the ghostly ka of a woman, in the other sat the ka of a young man. Setna and Anheru bowed to the two kas and to the body of Nefrekeptah. Setna said, "Osiris keep you in peace, O prince and scribe, and you two who sit beside him in eternity. I am Setna, scribe and magician to my father the pharaoh as you were to yours. I have come to claim the Book of Thoth for my own. I ask you for it peacefully, but I have the power to take it if I choose." Then the ka of the woman spoke, "Do not take the Book of Thoth, Setna. It is not for you to read, nor for any mortal. Nefrekeptah did not heed the warnings given him, and so his life was filled with sorrow. Misfortune followed him all the days of his life, even claiming the lives of his wife Ahura, and their son Merab. We are they whose kas you see before you, never knowing the Blessed Land because of his lust for knowledge. Listen to my tale, and learn well.
"Know that Nefrekeptah and I were the children of Amenhotep, may Osiris keep him in peace, and according to custom became husband and wife. Merab, our son, was soon born to us, and we lived happily. Nefrekeptah was a man of learning, and craved to know all things. Forever he was reading the ancient books and walking through the old temples and tombs, copying down the sacred writings. " One day as he was studying thus, an old priest came up to him and said, 'All that is written here is worthless, for it is the work of mortals. I can tell you where to find the knowledge of the gods themselves, the knowledge of Thoth. It is written in his book and hidden away. By reading it you will learn the language of the beasts, how to see the wind and how to hear the sun, the secrets of the gods and the songs of the stars.' Nefrekeptah's heart leaped within him, for he desired to read of this book. He asked the old priest where it was, promising him anything he wished. The priest told him, 'Give me a hundred bars of silver for my tomb and a royal proclamation that I be buried like a king.' Nefrekeptah did all that the priest asked, and the priest told him where he might find the Book of Thoth. 'In the middle of the Nile at Koptos, guarded by snakes and scorpions and a mighty serpent who cannot be killed, in an iron box, in which there is a bronze box, in which there is a wooden box, in which there is an ivory and ebony box, in which there is a silver box, in which there is a golden box, there you shall find the Book of Thoth.' "Nefrekeptah hastened home and told me all that he had done. I was afraid, for the things of the gods are not for us to touch. Yet he would not be swayed . He beseeched our father for the use of the royal barque. This was granted, and Nefrekeptah, myself, and our son Merab set sail that evening. "We sailed up the Nile to Koptos, where we offered up sacrifices to Isis and Horus, asking them for success. The next day, Nefrekeptah went to the riverbank and cast a great spell. He summoned up a magic rope that would bind itself to anything he commanded it to and could not be broken or loosed. He cast the rope into the river, commanding it to seek out the iron box. "After an hour he commanded that the rope lift out of the water. It did so, and brought with it the iron box guarded by snakes and scorpions and the mighty serpent who cannot be killed. It was set upon the ground. Nefrekeptah spoke a word of power, and the snakes and scorpions became as still as stone. Then the great serpent rose to strike, it could not be affected by magic. Nefrekeptah drew his sword and struck off its head in one blow. But the head and the body sprang back together and the serpent rose to strike again. Three times did Nefrekeptah strike, and three times did the serpent become whole again. "Nefrekeptah had a plan. He called to his servant and asked him to empty a large jar from the ship's hold and to bring it to him. When the servant returned, Nefrekeptah took hold of the serpent's head, struck it off, threw it into the jar and closed the lid. Nefrekeptah commanded his servant to cast the jar into the Nile. The serpent's body thrashed about, but could not find its head. "Then Nefrekeptah went harmlessly to the box. He opened the iron box, then the bronze box, then the wooden box, then the ivory and ebony box, then the silver box, and then the golden box. In the golden box he found the book and took it. He unrolled the scroll and read from it. Instantly he learned the language of the beasts, how to see the wind and how to hear the sun, the secrets of the gods and the songs of the stars. "He then gave it to me and bade me read, and I too learned the language of the beasts, how to see the wind and how to hear the sun, the secrets of the gods and the songs of the stars.
"Nefrekeptah then took papyrus and ink and wrote down all the spells from the Book of Thoth. Then taking a pot of beer he washed the ink into a cup and drank it so that the spells entered him and he would not forget them. "After this we set sail for Memphis. But misfortune overtook us. A strange power seized Merab and caused him to jump into the river and drown. But Nefrekeptah used a spell from the Book to raise Merab from the depths. Yet no magic could bring him back to life, for life is given only by Ra. Yet Nefrekeptah beseeched Merab's ka to speak of what happened. "Merab's ka said, in the hollow voice of the dead, 'Know that Thoth has discovered what you have done, and has gone to Amen-Ra. And Amen-Ra has given him leave to deal with you as he chooses, but Amen-Ra is sending you great sorrow as punishment, the first of which is to take me from you.' "We left Merab's body at Koptos where the Ritual of Life was said over him and he was lain in a tomb. We lamented at his loss and our hearts were broken with grief. Nefrekeptah then gave the order to sail once more. "As we passed the place where Merab had drowned, a power seized me as well and I stepped off into the river and drowned. But Nefrekeptah used a spell from the Book to raise me from the depths. Yet no magic could bring me back to life, for life is given only by Ra. Yet Nefrekeptah beseeched my ka to speak of what happened. "I said, in the hollow voice of the dead, 'Know that Thoth has discovered what you have done, and has gone to Amen-Ra. And Amen-Ra has given him leave to deal with you as he chooses, but Amen-Ra is sending you great sorrow as punishment, the second of which is to take me from you.' "And so as with Merab, Nefrekeptah left my body at Koptos where it too was entombed beside Merab. Nefrekeptah sailed in sorrow to Memphis, but when it arrived, he too was dead, holding the Book of Thoth on his chest, the third sorrow. And so Nefrekeptah was buried as a prince, and the kas of myself and our son come to him to watch over him. "All this was because we took what was not ours and would not heed the warnings. We took the property of the gods and used it as mortals, and mortals have no claim to the things of the gods, neither do you have claim to the Book of Thoth. So I say unto you, if you would not have the sorrows we have, leave the book where it lies for all eternity." And Setna was filled with awe at the tale, but he was not afraid. He knew he was mightier than Nefrekeptah had been, and his lust for knowledge took hold of him. He spoke in the voice of magic, "Give me the Book of Thoth, or I will use my power to cast you from this place." And the kas of Ahura and Merab drew back in fear. But then the ka of Nefrekeptah arose from his body and said, "Setna, if you still persist in this quest, even after hearing the tale of sorrows of this family destroyed by the book, the book shall be yours. But you must win it from me in a game of Senet. Will you do this?" And Setna replied, "I will play for the book." So the Senet board was brought, and the pieces taken out and placed upon the board. They commenced to play. And Nefrekeptah got his first piece off the board, and Setna sank into the ground to his ankles. Nefrekeptah got his second piece off the board, and Setna sank to his waist. Nefrekeptah got his third piece off the board, and Setna sank to his neck. Quickly he beseeched his brother, "Anheru, bring my magic staff that I may free myself!" And Anheru gave his brother the magic staff. As soon as it was in his hand, Setna worked a great magic and sprang out of the ground. The ka of Nefrekeptah screamed, but he no longer had power over Setna. Setna grabbed the Book of Thoth and he and Anheru fled the tomb. Behind them, the ka of Ahura cried aloud, but the ka of Nefrekeptah swore that Setna would return the book, crawling upon his hands and knees. Soon Setna and Anheru stood before their father Rameses and told him all that had happened. Rameses said, "Setna my son, return the Book of Thoth to the tomb. It destroyed Nefrekeptah, and if you would be wise, you would remove it from you lest it do the same to you. Be sure that Nefrekeptah still has power in this world and he will use it to work sorrow upon you until you return the book, crawling upon your hands and knees." But Setna did not listen to his father, and kept the book. He spent many hours studying it, learning all that it contained. His magic grew powerful, and his knowledge great, for he knew the language of the beasts, how to see the wind and how to hear the sun, the secrets of the gods and the songs of the stars. Many came from all over Egypt to hear his wisdom and to learn from him. One day, as he sat on the steps of the palace giving counsel, he saw the most beautiful woman he had ever seen passing by. With her was an entourage of serving-maids, and she was dressed in robes of white with gold thread, a golden girdle, and a headdress of gold. Setna could not believe that such beauty could be found among mortals. He asked those with him, "Who could she be?" One, the governor of a distant province, replied, "That is Tabubua, daughter of the high priestess of Bast." Though Setna was married and had a son and a daughter, he forgot all these things in his desire. It was as if a spell had been cast upon him, and indeed he was bewitched, though even with all his power and knowledge of magic he could not see that he was. He desired only Tabubua, and longed to make her his. He sent her a message, asking if he might come to her. Until he received her reply, he did not eat or drink, nor did he read from the Book of Thoth. Even his eternal quest for knowledge was set aside for the sake of this woman. Her reply said that he was free to come and speak to her at her palace near Bubastis, the holy city of Bast, the wife of the great god Ptah. He went to her, and she welcomed him to her palace, offering him wine and sweetmeats. He spoke of his desire for her, nay, of his love. She answered, "If you would make me yours, I must tell you that I am no mortal woman, but the child of Bast herself. Though mortal men may take many wives and may love many times, I cannot allow any rivals. Before we may be wed you must divorce your present wife and your children must be sacrificed and fed to the cats of Bast, lest they plot evil against our children." And Setna, blind with desire and hardened by the pride of his ill-gotten knowledge, took out his stylus and papyrus, and wrote a decree of divorce against his wife and a command that his children be sacrificed and fed to the cats of Bast. And when it was done, and the wails of his wife and the cries of his children reached Tabubua's ears, she came to him in her bridal robes. She stepped toward him, and Setna reached out his arms to clasp her. He held her close, saying "I have given up everything for you, my wife is a beggar, my children are slain, you have no rivals for my love!" But it was not a beautiful woman he held, but a withered corpse! Setna screamed, and the darkness claimed him. He awoke to find himself lying on the road to Memphis, his father's city. There was no sign of the great palace of Tabubua, or Tabubua herself. "All a dream," he said, "but a terrible one. To think that I could give up all I had so easily. To think that my pride and my lust would overcome me. This was a warning, that unless I undo what I have done, it will come to pass." He hurried home to find his wife and children alive, and he held them as one holds precious things. He knew that he must return the Book of Thoth to Nefrekeptah. Setna appeared before his father, the great Rameses, and told him of the dream and of his decision. Rameses said, "Setna, better that you come to your senses now than later. I did warn you that it would destroy you if you did not return it. Return the book to its keeper, and go there on hands and knees, in true contrition." Setna did so, entering the tomb on his hands and knees, bowing before the sarcophagus of Nefrekeptah and the kas of Ahura and Merab. He begged Nefrekeptah to forgive him and to take back the book, lest it work the same misfortune on Setna as it had on Nefrekeptah. Then the ka of Nefrekeptah appeared and spoke laughingly, "I said that you would return, crawling on your hands and knees, and so you have. Place the book in my dead hands. But there is one final thing you must do before you are free of punishment. This you must do, or the dream will come to pass." This Setna did, then he looked up and asked, "What must I do, O scribe Nefrekeptah?" The ka of Nefrekeptah replied, "Know that though I am buried here in Memphis, my wife and son still lie far away in their tomb at Koptos. I wish for us to be together once more, as a family should be. Bring their bodies to rest here with mine, that we may rejoice together for the first time in many ages. Bring their bodies to rest here with mine, that we may await together the Day of Awakening when Osiris returns to the world." And Setna gave his word that he would do this. He hastened to his father, the great Rameses, and asked for the use of the royal barque and told him why he needed it. Rameses gave his blessing and wished his son all speed and the protection of Ptah. Setna and his servants sailed up the Nile to Koptos where they offered up sacrifices to Isis and Osiris. They also sacrificed to Anubis, the guardian of the dead, and to his son Upuaut, the opener of the ways, to whom all tombs are known. But the priests could not tell Setna where Ahura and Merab were buried, for it had been long ago. Setna looked through the ancient writings and read the oldest carvings, but he could find no record of their burial. Setna despaired and offered great riches to anyone who could help him find the tomb of Ahura and Merab. But no one came forth except for an old man who told Setna, "When I was a child, my grandfather's father (who was as old as I am now) told me that when he was a child, his grandfather's father had shown him the location of the tomb of Ahura and Merab, for when he had been a young man, in the reign of Amenhotep, he had lain them there himself. Follow me, and I will take you there" Setna followed, and in an ancient field on the outskirts of Koptos, the old man told him to dig. Setna and his men dug, and found an ancient stone mastaba of the style common in Amenhotep's day. They opened the tomb and went in, finding the bodies of Ahura and Merab. The old man cried with joy and disappeared. Setna gave praise to the gods, knowing that it had been none other than the ka of Nefrekeptah, given power to walk among the living that he might show the way. Setna and his servents carried the bodies back to Memphis, as if they had been the bodies of a pharaoh and his queen, on the royal barque with all honors. And there in Memphis, Rameses himself led the funeral procession to Saqqara, the city of the dead, and Setna himself pronounced the rituals when they were laid in the tomb, to the left and to the right of the sarcophagus of Nefrekeptah. As they did so, Setna saw the three kas standing together, smiling at him, and he knew that the curse was lifted from him. The funeral procession left the tomb and closed it up. Setna spoke a word of power, and the door became as the stone around it, and the stone became as the hills around it. He spoke another word, and a mighty sandstorm came up and buried the tomb so that none might find it again. There it lies hidden for all ages against its finding by mortals. And there lies hidden the Book of Thoth, held safely by Nefrekeptah, his wife Ahura, and their son Merab. They stand guard over it and await the Day of Awakening, when Osiris shall return to the world once more. Return to the Gods
Jewish exodus from Egypt in 1440 BC. Akhenaten is a thorn in the side of liberal "Bible trasher" archeologists who date the exodus at 1250 BC.
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 1:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
A.B. Madyun,
Yes, the translation I have is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. I looked for it a couple weeks ago when I was talking to the Son of Man and it appears I've misplaced it. I have lots of books and they are in stacks all over the house, and it might be hiding under mail or papers which I also have a few stacks of. I will track it down because I want to read the chapter The Prophets.
Much of the Old Testament is allegorical and that is what mythology is too. Remember the tortoise and the hare? It isn't meant to be taken as historical fact and no one would of course. Nevertheless it contains a lesson.
Philo was an Alexandrian Jew born in 20 BCE. The first of the 10 volumes of his works in the Loeb Classical Library contains his treatises ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE WORLD'S CREATION GIVEN BY MOSES and ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION OF GENESIS II, III. Few know who Philo is, who lived at the same time as Jesus allegedly did, but everyone knows who Jesus is, who never wrote a word. Right?
: belief in or worship of more than one god — poly·the·ist adjective or noun — poly·the·is·tic also poly·the·is·ti·cal adjective See polytheism defined for English-language learners » See polytheism defined for kids »
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 2:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Monotheism is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God.[1] The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.[2] A distinction may be made between exclusive monotheism, exemplified by Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and both inclusive monotheism and pluriform monotheism which, while recognising many distinct gods, postulate some underlying unity.[3] In this broader sense of the word,
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 2:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I think it is important that we search for a more accurate way to define ourselves, hopefully one that is more critically useful and that can help to establish more coherent self-understanding in our communities. Others might claim that this has all been a useless “semantic argument” on my part and that this has no bearing on real life outside of insular academic circles however when you know the truth you can ber set freel of religion and be a better servent to the living GOD . I would argue that issues of definition have significant implications on our abilities to grow in our spiritual traditions and on our abilities to manage ourselves in a pluralistic world. For example, consider the implications of a more comprehensible definition of pagan traditions on interfaith conversations: In as much as we our own religious traditions in more accurate terms, we will be able to engage with other faith communities in more integral, authentic ways. With self-understanding comes acceptance and credence – understanding and critical inquiry – from others.Also, along with more accurate self-definition comes a greater ability to understand our own histories and theologies in a variety of contexts. Acknowledging Christian, Jewish, and Muslim and there history to egyptian religion ! . Such recognition would also give light to the true path of righteousness . Finally, a more accurate understanding of paganism in general will allow for a greater understanding of various traditions and communities in particular, and especially the connections between such groups. Then, changes in the relationships between these groups will be more comprehensible to us as well as to sociologists and journalists attempting to track the growth and change of our communities at large. Thus, such efforts toward definition increase our standing and ability on all levels.
Take the case of the collection of scriptures known as the Apocrypha. These are deemed by the Protestant denominations to be not the Word of God. But read the book of Tobit for instance, and tell me if it does not contain the Word of God. It can be found here:
As you should know by now truth is truth ,i will continue to show from the historical records the Truth about religion looking at the history of ISLAM ,YOU CANT HELP to note that Most religious historians view Islam as having been founded in 622 CE by Muhammad the Prophet Muhammad chose one god, from among hundreds of pagan gods, to be his one monotheistic god. Both merely repackaged polytheism and called it monotheism. Since archeology only recently discovered details of Pharaoh Akhenaten in the late 19th century, it is clear that Muhammad had never even heard of Akhenaten. But the similarities between these two founders of religion are quite striking.
When it comes to starting a new religion, the parallels between Muhammad (600AD) and Pharaoh Akhenaten (1400 BC) are stunning. We see a "something old, something new" theme in both religious founders.
I want you to read the full story based on my scholarship study of the historical records not from a book of myths notice here the phenomenon of Akhenaten's sudden zeal for monotheism was clearly a result of the Jewish exodus from Egypt in 1440 BC. Akhenaten is a thorn in the side of liberal "Bible trasher" archeologists who date the exodus at 1250 BC.
To anyone except the blind, it is clear that the miracles of Moses in Egypt are the obvious cause of Akhenaten's conversion to pagan monotheism. Jacob and his twelve sons moved to Egypt as free men in about 1900 BC. Akhenaten began his reign in 1352 AD. Since the exodus of the Jews is dated at about 1440 BC, that means that Akhenaten lived about 60 years after the Pharaoh who experienced the 10 plagues of Moses. This would allow just enough time for all Akhenaten's ancestors who hated Jehovah, the monotheistic God of the Jews, to die. Akhenaten was therefore free to abandon the many false gods of Egypt in favour of his own version of monotheism, without any personal emotional baggage connected with monotheism. But rather than a 60 year old memory of how Jehovah triumphed over Egypt, why not current events? If our timing is right, the Jews began their occupation of the promised land (Canaan) about 20 years before Akhenaten became Pharaoh. This also means that Joshua and Akhenaten lived at the same time and knew of each other. Surely the nations that surrounded Israel learned to fear Jehovah as a more powerful God then the pagan gods who were driven out of Canaan. So for 60 years, Jehovah was triumphing over all the god's of the nations. This spectacular display of the advantages of monotheism, surely must have impressed Akhenaten who would have surely heard about it. In fact it may have been the stories he heard of the conquest of Joshua that converted him to a monotheistic view. Although the connections we have suggested are circumstantial, it would be quite unbelievable that Akhenaten was unaware of the 10 plagues, the 40 years in the wilderness and the conquest of Canaan by Joshua.
We can infer with similar confidence, that Muhammad was influenced by Jewish and Christian monotheism. It is well documented that Christian missionaries had infiltrated even the interior of Arabia with the monotheistic gospel of Christ. Had Muhammad's monotheistic movement sprung up without the strong monotheist presence of Christianity, then this would be worth taking note of. But the facts of history prove the presence of non-Arab monotheism before birth of Islam.
Akhenaten: Monotheist or Henotheist?
Jehovah's Witnesses are Henotheists. Although accused of being polytheists, the correct term would be Henotheist. Jehovah's Witnesses reject the trinity and believe in an entire "henotheist" system of gods, including the "Almighty God", (the Father), "mighty God" (Son) to lesser gods including the devil, angels, and finally even men are gods. Now was Akhenaten a monotheist or a henotheist? Some suggest that Akhenaten was never a true monotheist during the Amarna period, since some evidence suggests, (although not conclusive) that he gives homage to Horus, Isis and Osiris. If he did, then Akhenaten was a henotheist. Other inclusive evidence suggests that Akhenaten viewed himself as the incarnate god Horus. After all, the whole premise of Egyptian rule by Pharaoh is that the Pharaoh is Horus on Earth; without this premise, there is no Pharaoh. Had he declared himself to not be a god, he would have immediately been deposed as a fraud. Some however, think Akhenaten may have been a closet monotheist, merely keeping the status quo. For a discussion of Akhenaten's possible monotheism, see Cyril Aldred's, "Akhenaten: King of Egypt". Akhenaten's Proclamation of Monotheism:
To the complete surprise of the people and the outrage of the polytheistic priesthood, Akhenaten proclaimed that only one god "Aten" was to be worshipped and the other 733 gods were to be forsaken. Aten was somewhat unknown for two generations before Akhenaten. The popularity of the Aten is known in the reign of Amenhotep III when that ruler named the pleasure boat for his wife Tiye after the Aten. It is popularly believed that Nefertiti (and possibly Tiye) were adherents to the cult of the Aten, which was very small, and was able to magnify it through her husband (son). Other gods certainly were considered far more important to Egyptian culture at the time. For whatever reason, Akhenaten decided that Aten, an obscure "mail room" god, was to be promoted to the "board room" and become the CEO god of the official state religion. Akhenaten's command to stop worshipping the hundreds of old Egyptian gods, was met with quite a bit of stubbornness with his people, and outright rebellion among the elite and powerful priesthood. Aten, formerly one of hundreds of Egyptian gods, was now the one and only god.
Akhenaten's Banishment of competing gods:
Akhenaten was prepared to take action to ensure his new found monotheism was the dominant religion. Similar to a few of the kings and Judges of the Bible, he cleaned house by eradicating some, but not all, of the symbols or structures associated with polytheism. He tore down some pagan temples, removed publicly displayed names of some pagan gods from official buildings and statues. The god Amun, who formerly enjoyed a most popular position in Egyptian religious life, was suddenly out of a job. The extent to which Akhenaten rejected polytheism is actually astonishing since he even replaced the plural "gods" with the monotheistic singular "god" from official records, laws and proclamations. But Akhenaten did not ban the worship of all of the other gods; he particularly banned Amun and the cult of Amun-Ra since he was the former (and later) chief of all gods, a position that Akhenaten believed the Aten filled.
Akhenaten's repackaging Polytheism
As Jeroboam, the son of Solomon understood, if you are going to start a new religion, you need to change the priesthood and places of worship. He started by making himself the High Priest, thus the top religious authority and power. He even changed his name to "Akhenaten" which means, "He who serves the Aten", to express his new found monotheism. His original name was Amenhotep, meaning "Amun is Satisfied". In order to make a clean break from polytheism, he moved the Egyptian capitol from Thebes to a location 300 KM north and named it Akhetaten (present day Amarna), which means the "The Place Of The Aten's Effective Power." Akhenaten constructed beautiful, open air temples that would invite "divine sunlight" to bath the floor and worshippers with his presence.
Akhenaten did not like the existing logos of the sun god, so to his credit, came up with a unique new logo and symbol. Islam, on the other hand, merely copied the 2500 year old "crescent moon" logo of the pagan moon god and didn't bother to hire a graphic design artist. The crescent moon is found on top of every mosque and even at the Kaba on top of the Maqam Ibrahim, is virtually identical to that used in Babylonian moon god "Sîn" worship at Harran in 2100 BC.
Like Muhammad, Akhenaten retained the polytheistic practices and rituals of his newly repackaged monotheistic god.
In a hymn written by Akhenaten where he expresses his monotheism in poetry he says, "O thou sole god, whose power no other possesses. Though didst create the earth according to thy desire, being alone: Man, all cattle, large and small; All that are upon the earth." (Hymn to the Sun, Akhenaten, c. 1370 BC)
Note: Desperate bible skeptics suggest David plagiarized Akhenaten's hymn when he wrote Psalm 104 of the Bible. However the similarity is remote and not impressive, especially in light of the fact that Ps 104 doesn't even contain monotheistic statements like " O thou sole god, whose power no other possesses." In the very unlikely case that anyone copied, it would be Akhenaten who heard these kinds of statements from the Jews who once lived in Egypt. Perhaps David was recording an ancient Jewish Song that Pharaoh Akhenaten was familiar with and copied. However, our view is that the similarity between the two is so insignificant, that no one copied from anyone. After all, Akhenaten is praising the "sun god" while David is praising the God who created the sun.
Reverting to Polytheism after Akhenaten's death
The famous "King Tut", (Tutankhamun) discovered in 1922 AD by Howard Carter. was most likely the son of Akhenaten.
The most compelling reason Tutankhamun was the son of Akhenaten, is because King Tut's original name given by his father was Tutankhaten. Tut's birth name was in honor of his father's religion in honor of "Aten". After his father died and he became Pharaoh, King Tut reversed all the changes brought in his father Akhenaten. The young king also changed his name from Tutankhaten to Tutankhamun, as he is known in history. His new name means "Living image of Amun". Amun was a pagan Egyptian god.
Shortly before Pharaoh Akhenaten's death in 1336 BC the "forced to be monotheistic" priesthood, ruling class and common folk, desired to revert back to polytheism. Perhaps, like in many Muslim nations today, the people were never really converted, but were silenced under the threat of death. Shortly after Akhenaten's death, like the Judges of the Bible, monotheism was forgotten and all the pagan gods of Egypt were once again worshipped as before. In fact, special effort was made by Akhenaten's successors to appease the formerly shunned gods. Akhenaten's name was deleted from official king lists, and he was thereafter referred to in Egypt as "that criminal of Akhetaten." We wonder what immediate changes would take place in the Muslim controlled parts of the world, if the common people were free to practice their religion as they desire without the threat of death?
Although Muhammad never knew the details of Akhenaten's conversion to monotheism, it seems Muhammad could have learned important lessons from him on "how to start your own religion". Akhenaten was a pacifist who deplored "murdering his opposition for conquest" as most other Pharaohs practiced. Muhammad, on the other hand, "evangelized with the sword", just as we see today. The result was that the entire Arab world continued in its new found monotheism to the present.
What Muhammad and Akhenaten had in common:
Both were born into families who worshipped hundreds of pagan gods. Both actively worshipped as pagan polytheists until their conversions to monotheism as adults. Both were strongly influenced by the monotheism of other religions. Jews and Christians. Both converted to a form of monotheism, where they continued to worship one pagan god. We call this repackaged polytheism. Both elevated obscure, lessor known deities to the top position. Aten and Allah Both chose the gods of celestial objects: sun and moon. Both banned the worship of all other pagan gods but the one pagan god they had selected. Both retained the name of the old polytheistic gods which the general population were familiar with: Aten and Allah. Both retained pagan practices and concepts in their new found monotheism. Both employed symbolic logos to represent their gods: solar disk with sun rays. Although Muhammad my not have directly adopted the crescent moon symbol, it was adopted shortly after his death. Both made themselves the highest human representative on earth for their gods. High priest and Muhammad the last and greatest prophet. Neither men performed any miracles or displayed any divine powers as both Moses and Christ and the apostles did when Judaism and Christianity were begun. Muhammad was a prophet without supernatural power.
How Muhammad and Akhenaten differed:
Akhenaten's chose a lower ranking god "Aten" to be his highest god, whereas Muhammad chose "Allah" who, although not the most popular god, was considered to be a top ranking god. While both were former polytheists converted to monotheism, Akhenaten continued to worship the sun itself, whereas, Muhammad's merely retained the disk of the crescent moon as a symbol for the one true god "Allah" who created the sun and moon. In this regard Muhammad's monotheism was superior to Akhenaten's. But then again, Muhammad had a 2600 year advantage of history over Akhenaten! Akhenaten's religion was one that did not require faith as it worshipped the visible sun as god. Muhammad's religion does require faith as it worships an invisible god. While Muhammad continued to worship the same pagan moon god in the same pagan temple (Kaba) before and after his conversion to monotheism, Akhenaten created a new temple in a new city for the old pagan god. The symbols and rituals of Islam are re-enactment rituals borrowed from the Bible with a grotesquely distorted mythical twist. We suggest Muhammad would have done much better had he hired a more imaginative "new religion writer". Akhenaten is clearly superior, for like Judaism and Christianity, Akhenaten realized that a new religion needed unique symbols and meanings. Muhammad failed to come up with anything new, but heavily plagiarized other religions and local myths. Akhenaten gets points for originality. While Christ introduced unique and new spiritualized meanings to physical Judaism, Islam merely creates physical re-enactment's of historical events as seen in the "stand", "walk" and "throw" rituals of Islam. These ritual re-enactment's evoke emotion, in the same way a remembrance day service does, but nothing new is happening. Akhenaten tolerated some other religions to be practiced under his domain. Muhammad murdered those who attempted to openly practice Christianity under his domain. Akhenaten was a pacifist who deplored "murdering his opposition for conquest" as most other Pharaohs practiced. Muhammad, on the other hand, "evangelized with the sword". In the absence of miraculous signs and powers, Muhammad chose the necessary path to ensure his newly invented religion would endure. Akhenaten's religion of monotheism collapsed shortly after his death, while Muhammad's has endured the centuries. Reference notes from Encyclopedia Britannica:
"The new religion. The religion of the Aton is not completely understood. Akhenaton and Nefertiti worshipped only this sun-god. For them he was "the sole god." Akhenaton had dropped his older-name Amenhotep, and the name "Amon" was also hacked out of the inscriptions throughout Egypt. Here and there the names of other gods and goddesses were removed, and sometimes the words "all gods" were eliminated. The funerary religion dropped Osiris, and Akhenaton became the source of blessings for the people after death. The figure of Nefertiti replaced the figures of protecting goddesses at the corners of a stone sarcophagus. Yet Akhenaton and Nefertiti directed their worship only to the Aton." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 402, 1979) "The Aton religion was a happy nature worship, without an ethical code. Men were asked only to be grateful to the sun for life and warmth. It was unlike the awful austerity of the great gods of former Egypt, who might punish man for disobedience. It was quite unlike the heavy demands that the Hebrew god would lay upon his people. In the Aton religion there was no "Thou shalt. . ." and no "Thou shalt not."" (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 402, 1979) "When Akhenaton died, he was succeeded briefly by Smenkhkare and then by a second son-in-law, Tutankhaton. The latter was forced to change his name back to Tutankhamen, dropping the Aton and embracing Amon, to abandon Amarna and move back to Thebes, and to pay penance by giving the old gods new riches and privileges. When the tomb of Tutankhamen was discovered in the hills of western Thebes in 1922, it gave a final illustration of the sumptuous glories of Amarna art. A few years after the death of this young king, the army took over the throne in the person of General Horemheb. He instituted counter reforms in order to restore the old system fully." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Akhenaton, p 403, 1979)
Muhammad, in my opinion, spoke truth when he described the first reaction people had to his new religion:
"This [Islam] is nothing but a lie which he [Muhammad] has forged, and other have helped him do it... Fairy tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Surah 25:4-5)
Even Yusuf Ali, a translator of the Koran into English makes this comment:
"In their misguided arrogance they say, 'We have heard such things before: they are pretty tales which have come down from ancient times: they are good for amusement, but who takes them seriously? The answer is that the Qur'an teaches spiritual knowledge of what is ordinarily hidden from men's sight, and such knowledge can only come from God to Whom alone is known the Mystery of the whole Creation.'" [3058-9]
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 2:57PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Muhammad Wrote:
"This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and other have helped him do it...fairy tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Qur'an 25:4-5, Arberry translation)
The Qur'an is not an inspired new revelation from a God who seeks pure worship, but is a revised counterfeit of 5th century polytheism, composed of previously existing pagan beliefs and practices. Or as Muhammad defended himself in the Koran against the same accusation 1400 years ago:
"This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and other have helped him do it...Tales of the ancients (fairy tales), which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Surah 25:4-5)"
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 3:01PM
DAVID JOHNSON
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (Koran 2:65)
The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29). The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166). The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends. In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore. The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260). It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.
this is right out the KORAN ,,,,, READ THE JEWISH CONNECTION RIGHT OUT OF THE KORAN !@ Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.
This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).
The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.). The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67). The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44). The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer. The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 3:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
DO WE NEED TO PULL OUT THE BIG GUNS !!!
THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT OF SERAPIS ???????????????????/////
Christ in Egypt The Alexandrian Roots of Christianity
As D.M. Murdock has commented at Booktalk, this chapter sets out key arguments in Christ in Egypt. In showing the prominent role of the religious group known as the Therapeuts of Alexandria, Murdock presents a compelling case for the Egyptian roots of Christianity, and shows how the facts reveal that the traditional view of Jesus Christ as a historical person is based on the flimsiest evidence.
Christianity assumes that Jesus Christ was a real man. This baseless assumption has no evidence except the self-serving propaganda of the early church, and has no support in historical sources that would be expected to mention Jesus if he really existed. The amusing thing, abundantly proved in this chapter, is that external evidence from the alleged time of Christ shows that the church already existed among the Egyptian Therapeuts, but Christians have ignored and distorted this evidence because it refutes their framework.
For example, Philo of Alexandria, whose extensive writings provide intellectual foundations for Christian theology, explained before the rise of Christianity how Christian festivals and beliefs were found among the Therapeuts. Many theologians actually discuss Philo, but reject his claims because they undermine their dogma.
Assuming that Philo was wrong because Jesus really lived is just like saying the planets move in epicycles because the sun goes around the earth, or that things get lighter when they burn because they lose phlogiston. This common process of rationalization involves explaining away the evidence in order to fit a rigid false assumption. When the error of the assumption is discovered, the puzzle is solved: planets move in smooth ellipses because they orbit the sun, refuting geocentrism; burnt matter is heavier than unburnt matter through chemically combination with oxygen, refuting phlogiston theory; Christianity evolved from previous mythology through the invention of Jesus Christ as a fictional character, refuting supernatural dogma.
This common structure of scientific revolutions, whereby an old false theory desperately ignores contrary evidence, is abundantly verified in the process of paradigm shift documented by T.S. Kuhn. People have trouble applying this framework of the evolution of ideas to religion because faith claims that it has different standards of evidence from science. But the fact is that despite the efforts of the church to suppress it, enough evidence remains of the actual process of the formation of the church to prove that conventional religious explanations are impossible, leaving the hypothesis of Christ as myth as the only consistent picture.
Murdock explains this process of church formation in relentless detail. Roman Emperors Vespasian and Hadrian, and prominent writers Philo and Josephus, made comments that can only be understood if they had no knowledge of a historical Jesus. Yet their time, location and role means in each case that if Jesus was real it beggars belief that they had never heard of him.
Emperor Vespasian organised a big meeting in 69 AD to invent a new religion suitable for the Roman Empire. This meeting in Israel was documented by leading historians Tacitus and Seutonius, but does not mention Jesus, who one would have thought would have deserved a mention in this context. Instead, there is nothing. Emperor Hadrian, writing early in the second century when Christianity was well established, said “there is no Christian leader who is not an astrologer, a soothsayer, or a master of wrestlers.” (p443) Of course Christians tried to suppress this letter, as clear evidence of the fraud in their origins, but there it stands, demanding explanation.
With several hundred thousand Hellenizing Jews living in Alexandria at the alleged time of Christ, the means, motive and opportunity for the gradual invention of a new syncretic religion, joining ideas from various sources, are abundantly clear. Philo, writing in Alexandria at the alleged time of Christ, made no mention of this incarnate Messiah, but did say that the Therapeuts formed a community at Alexandria, with practices otherwise thought to be solely Christian.
Ancient Christians Eusebius, Jerome and Epiphanius described the Therapeuts as early Christians. Murdock observes that the only “apparent reason for dismissing what appear to be truthful admissions on the part of the church fathers is that these would be fatal to the received Christian history.” (p455n)
Great David! I'm going to see if I can find where Philo discusses the Therapeuts. I have 4 of the volumes including the 10th one which contains the index. I enjoyed The Book of Thoth, still in the middle of your post on Akhenaten.
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 4:16PM
Steve Williams
Volume 10 also contains ON THE EMBASSY TO GAIUS, which Philo was a part of and made at the end of his life, certainly later than the assumed date of the execution of Jesus. It concerns the many persecutions and executions of Judeans, and although one of the chief culprits described is Pilate, no mention is made of Jesus.
The Therapeutae are in volume 9, which I don't have yet but is actually the next one I intended to get.
powell ,,,,if you got to insult the writer of this post then your comment are not allowed 1!
we all have exposed you for being the trouble maker on the site ,,,,,
Saturday, May 18th 2013 at 8:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth, and He shaped you and made good your shapes. And to Him is the final Return.
Sunday, May 19th 2013 at 4:00PM
Steve Williams
Too bad you don't understand the word Robert.
Sunday, May 19th 2013 at 4:03PM
Steve Williams
Steve Williams....
"...A.B. Madyun,
Take the case of the collection of scriptures known as the Apocrypha. These are deemed by the Protestant denominations to be not the Word of God. But read the book of Tobit for instance, and tell me if it does not contain the Word of God. It can be found here:..."
There is no comparison. Baby language, and fairy tales only satisfies baby minds.
Sunday, May 19th 2013 at 8:22PM
A.B. Madyun
2:8 And there are some people who say: We believe in God and the Last Day and they are not believers.
2:9 They seek to deceive God and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they perceive not.
2:10 In their hearts is a disease, so God increased their disease, and for them is a painful chastisement because they lie.
2:11 And when it is said to them, Make not mischief in the land, they say: We are but peacemakers.
2:12 Now surely they are the mischief-makers, but they perceive not.
2:13 And when it is said to them, Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they are the fools, but they know not.
2:14 And when they meet those who believe, they say, We believe; and when they are alone with their devils, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.
2:15 God will pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
Now about David. It is just too bad there are not more men like him.
Sunday, May 19th 2013 at 9:28PM
Steve Williams
"...Steve Williams....
And Madyun,
Don't you know what it says of you yourself, when you say to someone "you know what your problem is..."?
One thing you are not Madyun, is a psychologist..."
I beg the difference on that, Stevie. In fact I am a certified psychologist!!! I received my credentials from The University of Cincinnat (1968). Since you don't know me personally, I can understand how anyone can make a mistake, so your apology is accepted.
"...Steve Williams Now about David. It is just too bad there are not more men like him..."
Man means mind, so a man has to have developed a mind in order to be called a (duly proportioned) man. Why are you promoting David? Don't you have a mind of your own?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 9:22AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams....
"...A.B. Madyun,
You said:
"There is no comparison. Baby language, and fairy tales only satisfies baby minds."
I assure you I do not have a baby mind nor believe in fairy tales.
Since you analyzed David's psychology (sorry you got it wrong) you won't mind a similar treatment.
Some people can't live with uncertainty. They can only live with themselves if they have absolute knowledge. And to bolster this deep psychological need, they must have the approval of others by means of others acceptance and agreement with their absolute knowledge.
I am not one of those..."
That's shows that you have a fairly good sense of humor, Steve. I admire people who place at least some value of laughter on their agenda. And I can understand how, and why you feel that you don't have a baby mind, and I believe in fairy tales because you say so. I say you believe in them because when you believe in mythology without the knowledge of the symbolism that it represents, you believe in fairy tales. And it is not because I say so...you said it when you invited me to read it. I am secure in having knowledge of the fact that what I believe in is far superior to any of the small mindedness that exists in this society that has caused the masses to look skyward while the bloodsuckers of the poor are robbing you beneath your feet. Don't worry, my friend. I don't expect anyone on this page to accept this knowledge. I'm just simply sharing it with you bringing no frustrations of your rejection. Your rejection is to your own ruin. In the end, I won't have to answer for you, nor would I want to be in your shoes to have to answer for your iniquities. I just pray that the almighty forgives me for mine. We all have them, There is not a soul on the planet that is without stains. (BIG SMILE)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 9:49AM
A.B. Madyun
Steve Williams....
"...And Madyun,
Don't you know what it says of you yourself, when you say to someone "you know what your problem is..."?..."
Now, Stevie,,,c'mon, now...let's not further confuse the issues with things that are just simply not there. I'm still searching to find the place where I said that...can't find it at all. Maybe you're getting me mixed up with someone else. I don't ask anybody do they know what they're problem is. I tell them if I see one that is evident. You're attempting the same thing, but you're doing a very sloppy job, Stevie. It's time that you clean up your act. State the facts...don't fabricate them. That eliminates any remote possibility of credibility. (ANOTHER BIG SMILE)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 10:02AM
A.B. Madyun
A.B. Madyun if you have to resort to name calling please do not comment
it will be deleted this blog and information is not about you A.B. Madyun its bigger then that !
no one should hove to try to prove that there religion is true ,why are you so concern about that why dont you just keep doing you ..and leave these pages alone ! dont get out of line !
you should stop trying to prove your religion, stop being so defensive and try taking a a offensives position every since 3 weeks ago you been on the defense not a good sign for debating !
you gonna learn today ! lmbao
robert powell you are not allowed to comment with your insults ! what part dont you understand !
oh btw BOB where is you scholarship ! haven't seen it for 4 years ,,did i miss the memo !
Let me make this clear you have not proven any thing i have said about Islam is wrong when you can do that then you can stake your clam !!,,,,,I haven't pulled out the big guns yet <,,,,,,,
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 10:41AM
DAVID JOHNSON
AGAIN NOTICE I HAVE NOT USED INSULTS TO GET A PIONT ACROSS AND I WILL NOT ALLOW INSULTS TO BE USED Bible in Basic If running with the fighting-men has made you tired, how will you be able to keep up with horses Jeremiah 12:5 If you have raced with people and are worn out, how will you compete with horses? If you fall down in an open field, how will you survive in the forest along the Jordan?
GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE UP !
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 10:58AM
DAVID JOHNSON
RELIGION IS A PUPPET MASTER MADE BY MAN
Attachment is reinforced physiologically through brain chemistry, and we evolved and retain neural networks completely dedicated to it. We easily expand that inborn need for protectors to authority figures of any sort, including religious leaders and, more saliently, gods. God becomes a super parent, able to protect us and care for us even when our more corporeal support systems disappear, through death or distance.
Scientists have so far identified about 20 hard-wired, evolved "adaptations" as the building blocks of religion. Like attachment, they are mechanisms that underlie human interactions: Brain-imaging studies at the National Institutes of Health showed that when test subjects were read statements about religion and asked to agree or disagree, the same brain networks that process human social behavior — our ability to negotiate relationships with others — were engaged.
Among the psychological adaptations related to religion are our need for reciprocity, our tendency to attribute unknown events to human agency, our capacity for romantic love, our fierce "out-group" hatreds and just as fierce loyalties to the in groups of kin and allies. Religion hijacks these traits. The rivalry between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, for example, or the doctrinal battles between Protestant and Catholic reflect our "groupish" tendencies.
In addition to these adaptations, humans have developed the remarkable ability to think about what goes on in other people's minds and create and rehearse complex interactions with an unseen other. In our minds we can de-couple cognition from time, place and circumstance. We consider what someone else might do in our place; we project future scenarios; we replay past events. It's an easy jump to say, conversing with the dead or to conjuring gods and praying to them.
Throughout history the world has progressed through research, and things are no different today. Blind belief has always held man back and kept humanity in the clutches of ignorance. Unfortunately, many would rather believe implausible and unsupported stories instead of learning to think critically. This is a very lazy and unprogressive position..
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:21AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Discover the Power of truth , any truth Put it to test . Do not believe everything that someone says to to you about anything or anyone . If it is a lie or and attempt to deceive you , you will know if you take the time to investigate and find out for yourself ,do not be persuaded by another persons opinion , they could be wrong ......Every truth is as firm as GOD is , and you can trust and rely on it . Truth can be trusted as a fact only if you experience it for yourself . Believe in GOD's truth but go beyond this , put them into operation , in other words do them and learn what it is to experience them as well . Only in this way can you proclaim that they are true and is able to convince others of the truth . No teaching is effective except as it comes out of truth and experience.
If you are not able to forgive , love , respect , except, walk in true holiness, then do not preach a sermon on it , because it is not truth as it applies to you . Because you lack experience . Instead teach on what you have experience in .....then you will have Power and Authority on the Truth ..
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson....
"...A.B. Madyun
Let me make this clear you have not proven any thing i have said about Islam is wrong when you can do that then you can stake your clam !!,,,,,I haven't pulled out the big guns yet <,,,,,,,..."
You got more jokes, David! That's a good thing because it makes for a more friendlier atmosphere for purpose of our discourse. I can see that a lot of toes are being stepped on by this truth at this juncture. When folks refuse to accept truth, it angers them so that they just continue to spew out even more fury, and rage. One thing I can say about you, David, that is undeniable...you remain true to your form.
What is really clear is that you have not accepted conclusive proof...very unwise choice, Dave. If history has taught us anything, it should certainly have given you an indication of what happened in the past always seeks its way back and repeats itself. Everything that you read in scripture that has both happened in the past was foretold to once again repeat itself in the future, and those of us with our (spiritual), and physical eyes have witnessed these events. Because a person get's captivated with the flowery discourses of birdbrain pseudo philosophers, such as the one's that impress you, does not change destiny. That is one of the reasons why I am not impressed with what you bring to the table.
I have shown you multiple proofs, but because of the blinders that Allah has placed on your sight, hearing, and mind, you ignore these proofs. You have enacted every ayat that I have placed side to side with your arrogant comments that these ayats describe of those who are the unbelieving rejecters of truth.
"Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur)."
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Baqara, 2:7)
"The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things."
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Baqara, 2:20)
"Say: "Think ye, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up your hearts, who - a god other than Allah - could restore them to you?" See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); yet they turn aside."
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Anaam, 6:46)
What better proof is there than that of Allah (G_d) Himself? The only thing anyone utilyzing the g-d given intelligence in them is that anyone who would reject such proof, though it is perfectly clear, is one who is arrogant, i.e., think themselves greater than the one who created them.
But, that's your choice, and it wouldn't matter to me whether you accept it or not. I am not here to argue with you, or to force you to accept anything. I have made that clear time and time again. I am only here to share the truth to any who will read it, digest it, and then allow it to benefit them in their lives. This is clearly not for the rejecters of truth.
You clearly indicate to me that you see man as being G_d. Tell you what...why don't you invite people down to the town square tomorrow at high noon and create a sky for them? You don't even have the power to catch a fly if Allah does not will for it to happen.
"O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!"
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Hajj, 22:73)
if anyone assigns partners to Allah, is as if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds, or the wind had swooped (like a bird on its prey) and thrown him into a far-distant place.
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Hajj, 22:31)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 1:17PM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson...
"...Discover the Power of truth , any truth Put it to test . Do not believe everything that someone says to to you about anything or anyone . If it is a lie or and attempt to deceive you , you will know if you take the time to investigate and find out for yourself ,do not be persuaded by another persons opinion , they could be wrong ......Every truth is as firm as GOD is , and you can trust and rely on it . Truth can be trusted as a fact only if you experience it for yourself . Believe in GOD's truth but go beyond this , put them into operation , in other words do them and learn what it is to experience them as well . Only in this way can you proclaim that they are true and is able to convince others of the truth . No teaching is effective except as it comes out of truth and experience..."
I'm afraid, my friend David, that Allah almighty once again has us one more step (equivalent: 50,000 ft above) you. You've fallen behind even further. A believing Muslim cannot fully say that he/she is a Muslim if they are not a seeker after knowledge.
Go in quest of knowledge from the cradle to the grave even unto China.... ~ Sayings (Hadith) of Prophet Muhammad ~
" (O' Muhammad); If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!" (Holy Qur'an, Aal-e-Imran, 3:61) "Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not!"
(Holy Qur'an, Aal-e-Imran, 3:66)
Say: O ye that reject Faith!
I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
(Holy Qur'an, Al-Kafiroon [Disbelievers, or those who reject faith], 109:1-6)
Sounds to me like it would be wisdom for you to accept your own advice on that one, my friend!! (SMILE)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 1:40PM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson....
BTW...Don't assume my experiences. Ask what they are. Even better, walk in my shoes, then tell me about my experiences. That's what a wise man will do. You are very consistent with your jokes. You tell good jokes. The more you tell jokes, the more I'm humored. Please keep me posted if you come up with any new ones...OK, buddy? I love to hear good jokes!!! (SMILE)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 1:50PM
A.B. Madyun
David Johnson....
"...Truth can be trusted as a fact only if you experience it for yourself . Believe in GOD's truth but go beyond this , put them into operation , in other words do them and learn what it is to experience them as well . Only in this way can you proclaim that they are true and is able to convince others of the truth . No teaching is effective except as it comes out of truth and experience..."
BTW...Lawdy, dude!!! You sure make lots of assumptions, don't you? How are you reaching these outrageous conclusions (dillusions)? Don't assume my experiences, dude. Ask me what they are. Even better, walk in my shoes, then tell me about my experiences. That's what a wise man will do. If you notice, within the word "assume," (a state which it seems that you are prone to) is the word "ass," the letter, "u," and the word, "me." Please don't attempt to make an "ass" out of "u" and out of "me." You are very consistent with your jokes. You tell good jokes. The more you tell jokes, the more I'm humored. Please keep me posted if you come up with any new ones...OK, buddy? I love to hear good jokes!!! (SMILE)
HISTORY ,historical records ,recordings ,facts ,non fiction,
in order to prove what is real you must ck the historical records ,look ,how if a book of lies ,fairy tales going to showcase the truth ,,,you must , go back before ISLAM in order to know the root of the religion ,if tyou cant show the records then ,,,well ,,,,its a joke ,,,
this is not personal this is historical facts ,,,walk in your shoes ,,,please I dont got time for personals,,,,,
can you address this below for the edification of the readers ! smile ...lmao
The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.). The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67). The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44). The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer. The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).
OK ANSWER THIS ....Muslim scholar, Tabbarah, said in his book, The Spirit of Islam, "Moslems do not worship the Black Stone, but only show special reverence and veneration for its dignity and they kiss it only after the example of the Prophet and to keep their Covenant with God to obey His Will and avoid His disobedience." (Tabbarah, The Spirit of Islam, p. 173, Muslim). Focusing on Tabbarah's key phrase of showing reverence and veneration to the Black Stone, My question is do you see any difference between the Muslim practice of kissing showing reverence and venerating the Black Stone and the Catholic practice of pope John Paul II kissing the statute of the Virgin Mary with reverence and veneration?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ANOTHER QUESTION ,,,,,How can Muslims claim there are no textual variations in the Koran, when the Tashkent MSS differs from the modern Egyptian Qur'an in 5 passages: 2:284, 2:283, 3:37, 3:109 and 5:119. The Tashkent MSS uses the word 'Allah' while the modern Egyptian Qur'an, uses the word 'huwa' (the pronoun 'he'). My question is: Which word do you believe are in the "preserved master tablet" and "mother of all books" in heaven?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON
YEP ,,,HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION ,,,Muslim's will quote Yusuf Ali's comment in footnote 663, as proof that the three early Christian sects of Marcion, Docetism, Basilides, denied the crucifixion of Christ. Given the fact the three sects are condemned as false teachers, deceivers and the anti-Christ in six Bible passages (1 John 1:1,14; 2:22; 4:1-3; 5:6; 2 John 7) My question is: on what basis do you claim they are Christian sects and isn't it as much of a misrepresentation for you to quote these Gnostic sects as Christians who deny the crucifixion, as it would be a misrepresentation for Christians to quote the Baha'i faith as proof Muhammad was not the final Prophet? (The holy Qur'an, text, translation and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. 1872-1952, First published in 1938, 1973 ed., p. 230, footnote 663, commenting on 4:157)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OHH ,what is the single most remarkable prophecy that Muhammad made that was fulfilled?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THESE ARE JUST DARTS,,,,WHAT FOR THE BIG GUNS BUT HERE ANSWER PLEASE !! Muslims claim that Muhammad always worshipped Allah in a 100% correct way, without the need for any restoral. My question is: If this is true, then why did Muhammad pray towards Jerusalem for the first 5 years of his prophethood, and later redirected his prays towards Mecca? And did Jesus pray towards Mecca 5 times a towards Jerusalem or Mecca?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
YES OR NO ,,,,,,DO THE MATH !!
Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? No. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? No Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? Yes Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? Yes. According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah) Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Islam has five pillars : (1)Shahadah [testify that god is one and Muhammad is his messenger] (2) five time prayer in a day (3)Fasting during Ramadan month (4)Zakat [charity to poor, etc]. (5) Hajj. There are also many other practises. Orthodox Jews recite prayers 3 times daily, with a fourth prayer added on Shabbat and holidays. Shacarit prayer in the morning, Mincha in the afternoon, Arvit at night. Musaf is an extra Shabbat service
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 2:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OK HERE IS ONE OF THE BIG GUNS I WAS TALKING ABOUT ,,,,,,
Islam (Arabic: الإسلام; al-'islām. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to the will of God (Arabic: الله, Allāh) and is also derivative of (Arabic سلام salam) meaning peace A Jew (Hebrew: יְהוּדִי, Yehudi (sl.); יְהוּדִים, Yehudim (pl.); Ladino: ג׳ודיו, Djudio (sl.); ג׳ודיוס, Djudios (pl.); Yiddish: ייִד, Yid (sl.); ייִדן, Yidn (pl.))[1] is a member of the Jewish people/ethnicity Definition: Islam is an Arabic word for "Submission or surrender in Ultimate Peace".Muslim means a believer in One God (Al-Illah or Allah) Of the tribe of Judah. Principle: Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent." - Quran: Surah Al Ikhlas They are the Chosen people of God, and must follow their Covenant with Him. A unique ethnicity. Early monotheists. Place of worship: Mosque/Masjid. and anywhere one is found, provided the place is clean Synagogues, Western Wall Life after death: If one is good he or she will be rewarded and if one does bad he or she will be punished after the Day of Judgement. World to come, Reincarnation (some groups); temporal suffering in Hell; eventual return to Paradise(Garden of Eden), unifying with God, there are different opinions and beliefs Rites: five pillars of Islam. prayers, Purification rites, funerals, circumsicion, sharing of animals in thanksgiving, quran recitation, marriage. Mitzvahs. Branches: There are political divisions but not doctrinal. Shia divide from Sunni body is political. Further Shia has other branches with further political divisions. by traditions based on location: Sephard, (Spain, Islands, Arab countries, Turkey) Ashkenaz (Central/Eastern Europe, Germany, France) Greek, MIzrachi: Jemen, India etc. By approach to tradition: Orthodox, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Reform Means of salvation: Belief in One God (Allah) Monotheism (avoidance of shirk (Polytheism) rememberance of Allah, repentance, fear of Allah and hope in his mercy. Through belief in God, good deeds, complete faith. Time of origin: 610 A.D. Though Muslims believe All prophets since the beginning of time preached One ness of God. c 1300 BC Goal of religion: Submission to the will of God.worship of Creator alone. To live. fulfill the Covenant with God. Love God with all your heart and a perfect faith (from the morning service). Angels: Angels are creation of Allah which are unseen and are created from light. "every soul shall taste death" only God(Allah) is immortal Angels serve God as messengers. World is full of beings existing that we cannot see or understand Human Nature: Man has equal ability to do good or evil. God has given Humankind free will so It's all about the choices he makes. He may be good or he may be bad. two equal impulses, one good and one bad. People decide which one they follow. Human nature is in human hands. You must judge each person for innocence (Avos chap. 1). Status of women: Equal to men as stated in the Qu'ran, but men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because "Allah has made one of them to excel the other (in physical power)" 4:34. Men and woman have different rights over each other. Equal to Men in eyes of God and in the Law (Halakha) in reality differs in different traditions. Conservatives & liberals differ greatly Place and Time of origin: AD 610 in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. 1300 BC, Middle East. Religion formed over several centuries; was present by the Babylonian exile; Jews faced Jerusalem and replaced animal sacrifice with prayer as early as 700 BC. About: Islam is an Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (a decendent of Ishmael) born in 560 AD came to teach pure monotheism, restore the true religion which had been lost. submission to the Will of God, pure monotheism. Judaism is created by Abraham z"l and his descendants c. 2000 bce. Jews are decendants of Josef son of Jaakov son of Ichak son of Abraham z"l. The Law: Torah was given to Moses and to 600 000 Jews leaving Egypt in c, 1300 bce to follow God's mission Geographical distribution and predominance: Islam is the dominant religion of Middle-East , Central Asia , South Asia , South-East Asia , North Africa , Turkey and has significant presence in the Balkans. Islam is a global religion that is present all over the world. Jews are dispersed all over the world, present in almost all countries however the majority lives in Israel, USA, Russia, France, UK Population: There are around 1.7 to 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. Islam is the second-largest faith of the planet and claims to be the fastest growing Around 13-20 Million, debated Status of Adam: Free from all major sins and faults. Adam (PBUH) is the first prophet and man on earth and he is the father of Humanity, and Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet in Islam. Disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. First known use of the Adam/Eve mythology. Identity of Jesus: A true prophet of God,the Messiah,born of a chaste vrigin mother (Mary)Jesus is highly respected and loved in Islam, but not worshipped or seen as a son of God. Muslims believed that Jesus preached Islam, but his message was corrupted by some. Not God, by some streams recognized as the teacher, some extreme streams recognize him as the Messiah (Jews for Jesus) by some his ideas were a compilation of wise Judean ideas, credited to a generic Jewish name meaning savior. Confessing sins: God see's all and hears all. If you have sinned, God already knows this and has seen this, and the Angels have written this down, confess your sins straight to God no mediator Only God can forgive sins Temple destroyed in 70, there was a sin offering for individuals, and Yom Kippur confessions, Today people must individually repair their sins, recognize what is wrong and improve themself. People individually confessing sins. Talking with God, Vidui Clothes: Women must be covered in a modest fashion so as to cover the hair and body shape. The hands, face and feet can be left bare. Men must be covered from waist (belly button) to knee, should also be modestly dressed, and have certain conditions. Jews wear skullcaps called kippot, or yarmulkes. During prayer, men over 13 wear prayer shawls, called Tallit and black boxes called Tefillin, which are reminding the spiritual connection with God. Women cover their heads. Marriage: Marriage is seen as the Holy union of a couple, and a whole half of a persons faith. Men is Islam may marry more than one woman (but no more than four) as long as he can treat them all fairly, give them all their rights and support them all. Between one man and woman. Marriage can be arranged or it can be a love marriage. In our times monogamistic, against premarital s*x. Marriage is the merging of two souls as one Holy days/Official Holidays: Ramadan; Eid, Friday No other holy days have been permitted by the prophet, although work is lawful on any day Shabbath, Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Simchat Torah, Chanukah, Tu BiShvat, Purim, Passover, Lag BaOmer, Shavout. Holidays given by God in Torah or created to commemorate historical events. Second coming of Jesus: Affirmed. Denied Views on the afterlife: Eternal life in Paradise or Hell. World to come. different opinions.on nature The life after is commonly recognized as the next world. Human soul can be reincarnated, stay in the next world or unify with god. Different beliefs and opinions. View of Oriental religions: pagan Idolaterous N/A. Many different views Must obey the law of the land, if ethical. Praying to Saints,Mary, and Angel: None. Worship should only be done to the One God. Prayer to any other being is seen as Shirk and disbelief, and the biggest sin and will take one out of the fold of Islam. They do not revere Mary, because they do not believe that Jesus Is the Messiah. Praying only to God. Religious Law: Sharia law the Law given by the Creator (Allah) and the commands of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Halakhah Offshoot religions: Baha'i Christianity, Mandeanism, Islam. View of God: One God. God is the one True Creator. God has always existed, none existed before him and will exist forever. He transcends life and death. God is one and the only holiness. God is the creator he is beyond human understanding, he is omnipotent Day of worship: Friday. 5 prayer times a day which are obligatory, including the Friday Congregational prayer (obligatory for men, but not for women). Also Taraweeh prayer during Ramadan. Every day in particular Holidays. The most important is Saturday (Sabbath), many Holidays correspond to agricultural seasons of Israel and the work week, and the prayers explicitly mention this. Three Jewels: Islam is based on 5 Pillars as described earlier. Torah, People, Land, Law. love God. Birth of Jesus: Virgin Birth from Mariam (Mary) May Allah be pleased with her. Normal man, normal birth Virtues in which religion is based upon: Peace. Submission to God. Quranic ideals. Justice, 'Golden Rule', Faithfullness, charity, modesty, Tikkun Olam (improving the world), mitzvot (good deeds, following God's law), Love of the creations. View of Animistic religions: Pagan Idolaterous Pagan (however, like paganism, the earliest Jewish holidays correspond to agricultural and work seasons as do the prayers). Resurrection of Jesus: Denied, because His Death is denied. Denied, because Jesus z"l was a normal human. Legislation: Shariah; Laws of the Quran and Hadith (teachings of Prophet Muhammad) Prerogative of the people Original Language: Arabic. Hebrew. Later languages: from 500 BCE, Aramaic and Greek koine and 'Aramized' Hebrew till 300 ce. Local languages and different extinct and living Jewish languages like Carfati, Yiddish, Ladino, Judesmo etc imams identified as: Muslim Clergy N/A Views on other religions: All religions were sent by God but later corrupted by humans. All religions should be respected and tolerated, though Islam is the only correct way. They believe that all humanity should obey 7 Commandments, regardless if they are Jewish or Gentile however all religions are just different ways to the same God. God is one. Must obey all ethical laws of the land they are in. Death of Jesus: He did not die, but was taken into heaven by god, and will come back down to earth. Death and crucifixion by Romans Religion which atheists may still be adherents of: No. Faith in God plays a very important role in Islam. Yes, since Judaism emphasizes Deed over Creed; Many Jews profess to be atheists, in spite of their commitment to Judaism. Position of Mary: Mary receives more adulation from Muslims than she does from the average Protestant. Mary is said by Prophet Muhammad to be the best Woman Allah created. she is sinless the daughter of Prophet (zechariah) and mother of Prophet (Jesus, the Messiah) Not applicable, as Jews do not believe that Jesus z"l is the Messiah, and therefore, his mother plays no role in the Jewish religion.
Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? No. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? No Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? Yes Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? Yes. According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah) Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 3:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Founder: Muhammad Abraham Geographical predominance: Middle-East , South Asia , Central Asia , South-East Asia , Balkans , Turkey , North-Africa , The Horn of Africa , and Sub-Saharan desert etc. Fastly spreading over North America and Europe. Israel, North America, Europe. Has varied over time, due to various persecutions and migrations. Clergy: Imams, Mullahs, Caliphs, Mustiffs, and Dervishes, though who ever has memorized the most of the Quran should lead prayers. Prayers should be led by men only. Traditionally, no clergy other than priests (Cohanim). Religious functionaries like Rabbis, Cantors, Scribes, Mohels. People who specialize in public Torah reading ceremonies. Anyone can lead service or prayer.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 3:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78).
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 3:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80).
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 3:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 3:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David Johnson....
"Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80)."
You're a slow reader, David. The reference is of the pagans during the pre-Islamic period. They too had pilgrameges. A real scholar would have caught that very quickly. You need to read your history. I would strongly suggest you read the Seerah (Life) of Prophet Muhammad by Haikal. Don't worry. If your mind is as dark, and as closed as it appears to be, it won't rock your beliefs one iota.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 9:44PM
A.B. Madyun
Islam is nothing more than a reformist, monophysite, monast ideological revision of what is being passed off today as Christianity. Fact. Anyone not well versed in the 921 year ecclesiastical polemic dispute can't even begin to participate effectively in this discussion. Best they can do is parrot religious tradition....not historical facts as reflected by the historical record. What most people fail to realize is that the actual historical record has been HIDDEN from them. In it's place they have been given 'religious tradition' which they unfortunately (through no fault of their own) have come to identify (wrongly so) with 'truth' and 'history'.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
A.B. Madyun pay attention to what im about to say these are just some of the passges whites vigilantly kept out of their public 'fool-systems' so that little white children would not have to suffer from the inferiority complex which they in turn fostered upon our own. Imagine a white teacher calling a student up to the front of a multiracial, multi cultural classroom and having a black or a white child read these words aloud in front of the class; who would then be the well adjusted ones?
"How low the SAVAGE EUROPEANS must've looked to the Nile Valley AFRICANS looking north from his pyramid of Cheops?"
Prof. Dorsey (American Ethnologist and Anthropologist) WHY WE BEHAVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS ( publ. 1925)
"Four thousand years ago, when civilization was one or two thousand years old WHITE MEN WERE JUST A BUNCH OF SEMI-SAVAGES on the OUTSKIRTS OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD. "
Joseph Mcabe KEY TO CULTURE -BOOK III (publ. 1927)
"It was some 5000 years ago that the Egyptians had brought their civilization to so high a pitch. at this time Europe was still living in the twilight of the neolithic age. at the time when inhabitants of the Nile Valley were raising these mighty pyramids, and graving on the walls of their tombs the sculptures which have preserved the record of their religion and their life...the thoughts which animated their living brains, and the hopes which they held for their heads, the men of Great Britain were still in a state of semi-savagery, still dwelling in caves from which they had driven out animals only wilder than themselves, still roughly scratching on bone with sharp flints those rude figures which were all of art they knew"
Robert De Rustafjaell Esq. (Geologist, Mining Engineer and *Scholar) THE LIGHT OF EGYPT (London 1909)
"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."
Elizabeth Payne, The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt
"Africa long remained a mystery and, yet....was it not...the cradle of history? An African country, Egypt, thousands of years old , still presents, practically intact today, the most venerable monuments of Antiquity. At a time when ALL OF EUROPE WAS ONLY SAVAGERY, WHEN PARIS AND LONDON WERE SWAMPS, AND ROME AND ATHENS UNINHABITED SITES, AFRICA ALREADY POSSESSED AN ANTIQUE CIVILIZATION IN THE VALLEY OF THE NILE; it had populous cities....great public works, SCIENCES, and arts; it had already produced gods."
The French Historian, Jacques Weulersse L'AFRIQUE NOIRE (Paris, Ed. Artheme Fayard, p.11)
There is a savage in our midst....one who wishes to learn.......again.
Of the peoples known to Afrikans of the ancient world, Europeans were the least advanced: “I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and most savage,” he admits. “Europeans … in those remote epochs did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well.”
Jean-Francois Champollion. Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.
Europeans during the time of the Afrikan pharaohs: “what we call flesh-colored, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in hairy ox-skin, [was] A VERITABLE SAVAGE tattooed on various parts of his body.”
Jean-Francois Champollion. Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.
They have not changed....we have. We have been brought low. If you wish to remain where you are....low in the degredations of the falsehoods these savages have disoriented you with, then by all means....stay where the hell you are. I would never remove a pig from the muck and mire of it's filth...why would I? It is happy there. But if you wish to avenge your Ancestors by simply reclaiming and restoring that which was forcibly taken from you, YOUR MIND, then walk with me as this savage attempts to set me up for a fall. What he fails to realize is that his arms are too short to box with God.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:20PM
DAVID JOHNSON
If you do not know about Alexander of Macedon you will NEVER understand what brough ISLAM Christianity ETC into being. ... That is the only purpose they serve....to block you from the Truth; that is why you were furnished with them in the first place. . WHAT WAS ALEXANDER'S GREATEST ASPIRATION WHEN HE ARRIVED IN ANCIENT EGYPT?
STEVE FOUND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ,I SUGGEST YOU OPEN UP YOU EYES AND READ IT
Alexander the God
In the winter of 331 BC, Alexander detoured through the desert to the Siwah oasis to visit the temple of Zeus-Ammon. Again, we have multiple accounts of this occasion, but in each one of them Alexander leaves Siwah with the firm belief he is the son of Zeus-Ammon and therefore a god. According to Arrian, after Alexander visited his new territory of Egypt he “suddenly found himself passionately eager to visit the shrine of Ammon in Libya.” Arrian asserts Alexander wished to embark on this journey to learn about his heritage, for he “had a feeling that in some way he was descended from Ammon,” and wanted to affirm this hunch.
Curtius’ account is similar, claiming “after settling administrative matters ..., [Alexander] decided to visit the oracle of Jupiter Ammon.” After a hot, dry journey through the desert, Alexander and his party reached the Siwah oasis, site of the temple of Ammon. Curtius describes the priest addressing Alexander as “son” (meaning son of Jupiter-Ammon), and insinuating Philip was not Alexander’s father at all. However, Curtius himself, in keeping with his somewhat skeptical view of the king, implies the priest may have merely been flattering Alexander.
Plutarch confirms both aspects of Curtius’ account—that Alexander was welcomed as son of the god and that the priest cautioned Alexander against calling Philip his father. Arrian is quite vague, stating only that Alexander asked his question and received “the answer which his heart desired.” Recalling Arrian’s assertion that Alexander wished to confirm his feeling that he was the son of Zeus-Ammon with this side trip, and with Curtius’ and Plutarch’s accounts in mind, it is obvious in all three sources that Alexander indeed came away set in the knowledge that he was the son of god.
Whether or not it was flattery on the part of the priest, from this point on Alexander believed he was the son of Zeus-Ammon, a divine being with invincibility and greatness beyond that of any human. Further evidence of this belief can be found later in the accounts of Alexander’s life. Curtius claims Alexander “did not just permit but actually ordered the title ‘Jupiter’s son’ to be accorded to himself,” and later “wished to be believed, not just called, the son of Jupiter.” It is clear Alexander valued this title and privileged nature among mankind very highly.
According to Curtius and Justin, Alexander requested shortly before his death to be buried in the temple of Ammon, taking his divine parentage seriously—or attempting to prove his divinity to others even in death. In light of his stern belief in his own divinity, it is logical Alexander would wish to be buried at the temple where he first learned of his lineage and where his own father was housed and worshiped—it would become a dynastic symbol. Burial as a god would also indicate immortality, something Alexander likely hoped for and certainly hoped others would attribute to his memory. Arrian includes an otherwise unmentioned story, one he himself appears not to believe, which describes the dying Alexander at Babylon trying to throw himself into the Euphrates, so it appeared as though he vanished rather than died a mortal death. Even if the story is untrue, its circulation affirms the implication found in the request to be buried at the temple of Zeus-Ammon—Alexander was hoping he would be remembered as more than the king of Macedon or conqueror of Persia. The king was hoping to use his death as one last push to the public to approve of and embrace his divinity: to be remembered as Alexander the God.
2009 The Remains of Alexander the Great: The God, The King, The Symbol Lauren O'Connor Illinois Wesleyan University
'Ichor, such as flows from the veins of the blessed gods.' "
4 Once, too, there came a great peal of thunder, and all were terrified at it; whereupon Anaxarchus the sophist who was present said to Alexander: "Couldst thou, the son of Zeus, thunder like that?" At this, Alexander laughed and said: "Nay, I do not wish to cause fear in my friends, as thou wouldst have me do, thou who despisest my suppers because, as thou sayest, thou seest the tables furnished with fish, and not with satraps' heads." 5 For, in fact, we are told that Anaxarchus, on seeing a present of small fish which the king had sent to Hephaestion, had uttered the speech above mentioned, as though he were disparaging and ridiculing those who undergo great toils and dangers in the pursuit of eminence and power, since in the way of enjoyments and pleasures they have little or nothing more than other men. 6 From what has been said, then, it is clear that Alexander himself was not foolishly affected or puffed up by the belief in his divinity, but used it for the subjugation of others.
Since Plutarch wrote around 100 A.D., over 400 years after Alexander, he can hardly be considered a primary source. At the same time, he appears to have been very careful in his research, and may be the best source now extant. For the details, see the Plutarch section of the excellent multi-page analysis at Livius of the sources for the life of Alexander, to which I would only add one further source not mentioned in that essay, the only one that Plutarch himself specifically cites, are actual letters of Alexander and Olympias (III.7.6, III.8.1, III.17.8, III.20.9, III.22.5, IV.27.8, V.39.7, VIII.55.7; and a number of less direct references): whether these letters are real or fictional, whether cited first-hand or from an intermediate source, is a matter of judgment and scholarship.
51 When Alexander was conducted by the priests into the temple and had regarded the god for a while, the one who held the position of prophet, an elderly man, came to him and said, "Rejoice, son; take this form of address as from the god also." 2 He replied, "I accept, father; for the future I shall be called thy son. But tell me if thou givest me the rule of the whole earth." The priest now entered the sacred enclosure and as the bearers now lifted the god and were moved according to certain prescribed sounds of the voice, the prophet cried that of a certainty the god had granted him his request, and Alexander spoke again: "The last, O spirit, of my questions now answer; have I punished all those who were the murderers of my father or have some escaped me?" 3 The prophet shouted: "Silence! There is no mortal who can plot against the one who begot him. All the murders of Philip, however, have been punished. The proof of his divine birth will resist in the greatness of his deeds; as formerly he has been undefeated, so now he will be unconquerable for all time." 4 Alexander was delighted with these responses. He honoured the god with rich gifts and returned to Egypt.
DONT SAY NOTHING JUST ALLOW THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE BORN !
I AM IN TEACHING MODE
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Without that knowledge you will NEVER know what happened to your Ancestors. How poetic, it was asavage who brought us down, it is now a savage who assists in our re-ascension.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"By the unanimous testimony of ancient historians, the Egyptians belonged to the Negro race which first settled in Ethiopia on the middle nile, following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea...."
Egyptologist/Historian Gaston Maspero (1846-1916) The Dawn of Civilization (London, 1894)
Hence Alexander wanted to be an African God King ( ie. a 'Sa Ra', or a 'Son of God').
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The worship surrounding Amun, and later, Amun-Re represented one of ancient Egypt's most complex theologies. In his most mature form, Amun-Re became a hidden, secret god. In fact, his name (Imn), or at lest the name by which the ancient Egyptians called him, means "the hidden one" or "the secret one" (though there has been speculation that his name is derived from the Libyan word for water, aman. However, modern context seems to negate this possibility). In reality, however, and according to mythology, both his name and physical appearance were unknown, thus indicating his unknowable essence.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:44PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Alexander ended up at the Temple of God Apis as David said, and as you all saw in the photo as well (hence a picture is worth 1000 words).....you now know who God Amen is...but who is God 'Apis'...what are his attributes? How does it relate to Christianity? Lets take a look. My suggestion? If you no longer wish to be a 'dummy' when it comes to the subject matter we are discussing.....read the whole page. See if you can find the word resurrected in the article as well. This way later on you will be able to understand what is being discussed.
[3.27] About the time when Cambyses arrived at Memphis, Apis appeared to the Egyptians. Now Apis is the god whom the Greeks call Epaphus. As soon as he appeared, straightway all the Egyptians arrayed themselves in their gayest garments, and fell to feasting and jollity: which when Cambyses saw, making sure that these rejoicings were on account of his own ill success, he called before him the officers who had charge of Memphis, and demanded of them - "Why, when he was in Memphis before, the Egyptians had done nothing of this kind, but waited until now, when he had returned with the loss of so many of his troops?" The officers made answer, "That one of their gods had appeared to them, a god who at long intervals of time had been accustomed to show himself in Egypt - and that always on his appearance the whole of Egypt feasted and kept jubilee." When Cambyses heard this, he told them that they lied, and as liars he condemned them all to suffer death.
[3.28] When they were dead, he called the priests to his presence, and questioning them received the same answer; whereupon he observed, "That he would soon know whether a tame god had really come to dwell in Egypt" - and straightway, without another word, he bade them bring Apis to him. So they went out from his presence to fetch the god. Now this Apis, or Epaphus, is the calf of a cow which is never afterwards able to bear young. The Egyptians say that fire comes down from heaven upon the cow, which thereupon conceives Apis. The calf which is so called has the following marks:- He is black, with a square spot of white upon his forehead, and on his back the figure of an eagle; the hairs in his tail are double, and there is a beetle upon his tongue.
[3.29] When the priests returned bringing Apis with them, Cambyses, like the harebrained person that he was, drew his dagger, and aimed at the belly of the animal, but missed his mark, and stabbed him in the thigh. Then he laughed, and said thus to the priests:- "Oh! blockheads, and think ye that gods become like this, of flesh and blood, and sensible to steel? A fit god indeed for Egyptians, such an one! But it shall cost you dear that you have made me your laughing-stock." When he had so spoken, he ordered those whose business it was to scourge the priests, and if they found any of the Egyptians keeping festival to put them to death. Thus was the feast stopped throughout the land of Egypt, and the priests suffered punishment. Apis, wounded in the thigh, lay some time pining in the temple; at last he died of his wound, and the priests buried him secretly without the knowledge of Cambyses.
1. Alexander of Macedon was obsessed with occupying the office of Pharaoh; this could only be facilitated by your African Ancestors, the priesthood of God Amen in Ancient Egypt. He created a false legend around himself with the help of Uncle Tom, sell out members of the priesthood and presented himself as the occupier of that divine office, hence the images of himself as Pharaoh (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_short__to__drink__cheap__wine/3107355083/in/photostream/ ) and as the 'Son of God' Amen, presented usually in the form of a ram (http://www.pharaohjunior.com/photos/All%20Egypt/imagepages/image134.htm),(Alexander as 'Son' of this African God Amen, http://s573.photobucket.com/albums/ss177/a...
Note of Importance: Alexander FAILED; he was never approved by the priesthood as he was a savage , this rejection of what he would've considered to be his greatest accomplishment caused him to succumb to profound depression; depression strong enough to kill, and it did as he drank himself to death while away from the Africans in Egypt whom had rejected him. His body being buried in Egypt caused the First War of the Diadochi, 322–320 BC. All of this because of a country, a culture, a civilization, a world view produced by your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt. No white professor would ever tell you these things, they would have to explain the actions of their Ancestors who tried to convince the world that we instead were the savages who waited for them to bring us civilization, and doctrines of ressurection, when it was our Ancestors who gave it to them. Tell your children these truths around the dinner table, show them the images so that they may know what truly happened. Show them what their Ancestors accomplished and what they bequeathed to the world, things of such value that the savages of what is now Europe felt they had to steal and stamp their face on
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Do you understand why white teachers will never teach this to your children or why they did not teach it to you? Mostly it''s because most of them do not know themselves. White skin is not synonymous with 'educated'.
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
We've mastered the relevant aspects of Alexander as it relates to his relationship, purposes and outcome as regards Ancinet Egypt, the land of the Black people. We have established that it was there in Ancient Egypt where the Greeks came in an effort to wrestle civilization away from the Africans of Egypt, with Alexander seeking the most efective way to bring this about; BY CHANGING THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THE EYES OF THE BLACK PEOPLE OF ANCIENT EGYPT BY INSERTING HIS OWN IMAGE INTO THEIR PANTHEON, THE IMAGE OF A WHITE SAVAGE WHO HAD ONLY JUST PREVIOUSLY STOPPED WORSHIPPING FIRE AND DRINKING THE BLOOD OF THEIR ENEMIES FROM THEIR HELMUT'S IN TIMES OF WAR. LestI remind you:
"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."
Elizabeth Payne, The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt
"After the Greeks (and thus the Romans) were CIVILIZED BY THE AFRICANS IN EGYPT most of what we now know as 'Europe' was still barbaric, and unheard of. There was really NO EUROPE in ancient times......and Europe as we know it was divided by the Rhine-Danube frontier, south and west of which lay the civilized provinces of the empire, and north and east the ''BARBARIANS' of whom the civilized world KNEW ALMOST NOTHING"
A HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD R.R. Palmer (Prof. Yale University) and Joel Colton (Prof. of History at Duke University)
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI)
This is the man who DESTROYED you black people. This is the man who removed you from your pedestal of world adulation. This is the man who succeded where Alexander failed. This is the man responsible for your black children not knowing who they are. Before we go on, ASK YOURSELVES WHY YOU WERE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT HIM. They taught you about Columbus and Jesus didnt they? They taught you about Washington and Lincoln didnt they. You now recieve high tech slave education and think you are being taught something of true value? If it is true that there is no greater service one can render than telling someone the truth then it is equally true by the very nature of the equation that there is no greater evil than intellectually incarcerating the mind of whole planet in falshood out of expediency. Ignorance is a disease of the mind and I can assure you it is highly contagious. In point of fact our communities (families, housholds, religious institutions etc) suffer from a pandemic of it. This is the source of all of your ills; not the economics of money but the economics of IDENTITY in which we go from the cradle to the grave clutching a deficit not of or own making (at least not in it's entirety). There were traitors amongst us in Ancient Egypt. If you do not know their story please for Gods sake and for your childrens sake stop pretending you know something about Islam,Christianity when in fact....you know absolutely nothing whatsoever. It is not your fault....it was designed that way. Now I teach you how to fight back and reclaim your minds....and your Souls. They are yours given to you by your creatress/creator never to be given to anyone else. And you wonder how you are used as an entire people to serve the interest of others?
Monday, May 20th 2013 at 11:52PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Well Pausanias says Soter came from the fact that Ptolemy sent aid to Rhodes around 305-304. But I have found at least one dispute of that, given that Pausanias was writing 400 years after the fact. Still looking.
As to what did Ptolemy do that was the same thing Alexander tried to do, I am currently here:
Serapis (Latin spelling) or Sarapis (Ancient Greek: Σάραπις) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. His most renowned temple was the Serapeum of Alexandria.[1] Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force).
This is the most important thing you've read thus far....if you want to understand how your religion came into being:
"Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)."
This is how you remain un-educated with respect to the historical record. They tell you 'WHAT' happened and 'WHY'.....they don't tell you 'HOW' it happened. That's what I'm here for and that's what you need to know.
To accomplish his goals, Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOR), a white savage, as was his predecessor Alexander of Macedon, requested of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors) that they:
1.confer upon him the highest office of the land (Ancient Egypt, Africa), the office of Pharaoh (Just as the white savage Alexander had requested), and....
2.That they MAKE OF HIS IMAGE A GOD. Look upon his face, the face of the one called 'SAVIOUR', the one attributed with having the power to RESURRECT ALL who believed upon him, this white savage....look at his face: http://urlm.in/fzuk
HOW THEY DID IT:
Ptolemy I. SOTER ('SAVIOUR') was rejected by the main body of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors). They only chose from amongst their own African kind as under normal circumstances the office of Pharaoh was an hereditary office and bloodline needed to be acknowledged. Neither Alexander nor Ptolemy I SOTER were Aficans therefore their blood did not qualify, they were white savages in the eyes of the Ancient Egyptians (your African Ancestors). Any one of your Black sons could have qualified for that office simply based on the fact that they are Black. Even some of your daughters if they were found to be exceptional could occupy the office of Pharaoh as a number did as is reflected in the historical record (Hatshepsut and Twosret being just two of them.....look em up. You don't have to 'believe' in them, these black women who ruled as the 'Sa Ra' ie. 'The Son of God' on earth actually EXISTED, thousands of years before the Greeks and the Romans tried to co-opt and plagiarize this aspect of African history, Black culture and civilization. IT'S IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD, LOOK UP THEIR NAMES!!! Your daughters know who Beyonce is , who Janet Jackson is ...they even know who Michelle Obama is....yet all three of these women combined, Oprah included....WERE NOT AS POWERFUL AS THESE BLACK AFRIKAN WOMAN....WHO RULED ON THIS PLANET AS PHARAOHS, SUPREME RULERS OF THE THEN KNOWN WORLD, AND THEY RULED AS THE SA'RA (ie. 'THE SON OF GOD') THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE 'JESUS' WAS EVEN A THOUGHT IN THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO MANUFACTURED HIM. WHY HAVE YOU NOT TAUGHT YOUR DAUGHTERS OF THESE BLACK WOMEN? BECAUE YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ANCESTORS AND HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO WORSHIPPING THE FICTICIOUS ANCESTORS OF OTHERS). The white savage Ptolemy I SOTER was successful at finding some disaffected Priests from amongst the priesthood and they aquiesced to his request by going into the Ancient Egyptian pantheon of dieties and they chose two aspects of the Ancient Egyptian expression of God most dearest to the native population (the indigenous black people of Ancient Egypt). The history books give you a false reason for Ptolemy wanting to have his IMAGE made into a God. The true reason was RACISM....WHITE SUPREMACY. This is the only thing the Greeks brought with them to Africa. The Greek inhabitants who flooded Ancient Egypt along with Alexander's arrival loved everything Egyptian EXCEPT FOR THE EGYPTIANS!!! Not because the egyptians were Black, but because they the Greeks were mostly halfbreeds, mullattos and whites and by the very miscegenation of their blood they were from the outset disenfranchised from ever legitimately being ....an Ancient Egyptian (the status quo ofthe time culturally speaking). Many of the half breeds amongst the Greek population were partially related to the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt as it was the black side of their Nile Valley Ancestry that actually founded much of Greece in the first place. Hence their feelings towards a people they felt 'outcasted' from was no less resentful from their more Northern white Macedonian cousins with whom together they both comprised the populace of Greece. Pay atention geniuses:
"....authorities give the name 'Cecrops' to the Pharoah who is supposed to have been the first to lead a colony from Egypt to Greece..."
"In Jeromes reading of the Armenian Chronicle, it is said of this Pharoah Thothmes IV., that after he had reigned five years in Egypt, he was driven from the throne by his brother 'Egyptus' and fled to Greece, where he founded the city of Argos, and reigned over the Argives under the name of Danaus.
Cory's 'Ancient Fragments' p. 119
"The Greek legends are illuminated by a particularly bright light when projected against the chronological table of Egyptian history. Indeed, the XVIIIth Dynasty was contemporaneous with Mycenaen Greece; even ATHENS WAS FOUNDED BY A COLONY OF BLACK EGYPTIANS led by Cecrops, who INTRODUCED agriculture and metellurgy to CONTINENTAL GREECE around the sixteenth century B.C., according to Greek Tradition itself."
CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM: AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.4)
"Erechtheus, who unified Attica, also came from Egypt, according to Diodorus of Sicily, while the Egyptian Danaus founded at Argos THE FIRST ROYAL DYNASTY IN GREECE. It was the same time that the Phoenician Cadmus, an Egyptian subject founded the city of Thebes in Boetia and the royalty of that country. Finally, Orpheus, the mythic ancestor of the Hellenic race , became initiated into the Egyptian mysteries, during the same Mycenaean epoch. Therefore no wonder that on the Mycenaean tablets in Linear B, one should read the name of Dionysus in the genitive: Dionysus as we know, is none other than a replica of Osiris in Greece and the northern Mediterranean in general. thus his arrival, in other words the introduction of Egyptian religion in Greece, is much more Ancient than Herodotus believed it to be.; so many underscore the preponderance of Egyptian influence at the birth of the Greek world, the ages of heroes."
CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM: AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.5)
"Although the Greeks held the EGYPTIAN CULTURE in reverence, and were FASCINATED by the 'sacred mysteries' and 'DIVINE ORACLES' of the 'LAND OF WONDERS', THEY NEVERTHELESS HELD THE EGYPTIANS IN CONTEMPT. PAPYRI FOUND PRINTED IN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PHONETIC ALPHABET SUITED TO THE GREEK LANGUAGE (erroneously called 'Greek') clearly reflect a DISDAIN FOR THE EGYPTIANS."
I posted these passages to give you all an idea of the general attitudes of the times. The Greeks were jealous and envious of the Blacks in Ancient Egypt and the blacks of Ancient Egypt hated the mostly white savage occupiers of their land in Mother Africa. Your problem people is that you don't know your own story.....but you're obsessed with fairytales furnished you by the descendants of savages. I'm going to teach you but I'm going to admonish you at the same time, because you deserve to be.
Here comes a kicker:
The reason the white savage Ptolemy I Soter wanted to have HIS IMAGE made into a God was because the black natives of Ancient Egypt were Africans no different from black Africans in any other part of the continent TODAY. Therefore the basis of their 'religion' was Ancestralism...therefore God had to be represented, in their black minds as the greatest of their BLACK ANCESTORS. And he was presented that way . God, to the indigenous black African masses of Ancient Egypt (your Ancestors), was known in their own African tongue as 'ASARU' (ie. 'AUSAR' later to be called 'OSIRIS' by the white savage Greeks). Because GOD OSIRIS was considered by the Black people of Ancient Egypt to be the greatest of their ANCESTORS it was only natural that he LOOK LIKE THEM IN APPEARANCE, therefore unlike you 'identity- lobotomized' Jesus Victims, your Ancestors back in Africa, in Ancient Egypt, worshipped God in the Image of themselves....as a BLACK MAN, as their Ancestors were of course....BLACK PEOPLE, WHO LOOKED NOT UNLIKE YOURSELVES. Oh...ok...you want PROOF right? Okie dokie (smile). Proof is what I do:
"Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"
CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108
"Osiris was beautiful of face, but with a dull and BLACK complexion;"
Dictionary of the Sacred Languages of All Scriptures and Myths, Part 2 (publ. 1926)
By G. A. Gaskell Bryant and Stratton Business College (President) Manchester,N. H.,
"There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race...MY OWN conjectures were founded first in the FACT that they are BLACK SKINNED and have WOOLY HAIR...."
Herodotus Book 2 Chap.104 (450BCE)
"The English and African attitudes to history are DIFFERENT. The English man is not interested in history; he prefers to forget it, to let bygones be bygones and to let sleeping dogs lie. BUT THE AFRICAN TAKES HIS HISTORY VERY SERIOUSLY; even more seriously than the Irishman. HE MUST, BECAUSE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS RELIGION IS THE CULT OF HIS ANCESTRAL SPIRITS - something more than reverence, perhaps not quite as much as worship."
'My Africa' W.E. Ward (After living among the people of the Gold Coast and learning their ways for 16 years)
Now do you understand why the white savage Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) had to change THE IMAGE OF GOD TO THAT OF A WHITE SAVAGE?
The Egyptians rejected them .....detested these white savages. Black people make me laugh considerably when they say "some militant black leader is trying to start a race war". They are idiots of a rare breed. ATTENTION BLACK PEOPLE!!! NOW HEAR THIS!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN IN A RACE WAR FOR WELL OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY KNOWS IT BUT YOUR DUMB ASS. IT STARTED IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND IT CONTINUES UNABATED TO THIS VERY MOMENT (fyi, just thought you should know...smile):
"With their country occupied and the forced influx of hated foreigners, the very proud Egyptians naturally rejected the Greeks and their cronies. There was an anti Greek feeling among the Egyptians. There is evidence that they rebelled frequently, resentful of the fact that they were treated as a conquered people. PROPHETIC WRITINGS WERE WIDELY CIRCULATED AMONGST THE EGYPTIANS, PROMISING THE EXPULSION OF THE FOREIGNERS. MANY EGYPTIANS LEFT FOR SAFER GROUNDS FURTHER SOUTH. Even though many records have been destroyed and / or were one-sided Greek propaganda, some indication of the rejection still survive. This depopulation and arms struggle are confirmed in different sources, including the writings of Strabo and others."
The preservation of the native Egyptian traditions of kingship by the NATIVE EGYPTIANS was expressed in a very lively Demotic literary tradition that was pervasive OUTSIDE ALEXANDRIA. The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period. It was a popular 'nationalist' piece of literature, containing romantic tales of EARLIER PHARAOHS, which CLEARLY emphasizes the PRE-PTOLEMAIC NATIVE TRADITION.
Yes black people ...you had newspapers in Ancient Egypt "The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period." Though these particular Chronicles spoke to the previous Persian rule just prior to the Greeks it still speaks to the Black African Natives of Ancient Egypt fighting desperately for the land, their history, and their African culture and IDENTITY!!! Ancient Egypt was the FIRST SOUTH AFRICA, the first Palestine.....inhabitants of their homelands fighting off settlers, invaders, white savages....no different from the Native American. You mental midgets have been sold a bill of goods and are being sold a bill of goods in church every Sunday and on Easter every year with Jewish Hollywood inundating you with Charlton Heston and the '10 Commandments' (I can't talk...that was my favorite movie as a child....what do you think got me interested in all this in the first place....lol!!!). Imagine my surprise when I started studying the ancient world seriously and found out it was .....JUST A MOVIE. Picture that...Hollywood told a story that wasn't true...now they wouldn't do that...would they? Now they wouldn't do that....really? OF COURSE THEY WOULD...THAT'S WHAT THEY DO GENIUSES!!!
"THE KINDEST RACE of the ancient world WAS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS; and if we direct our course to the Nile Valley of 3 or 4000 yrs ago,we shall find CONDITIONS THERE SO HUMANE that instances of Pharaonic cruelty such as we have been shown in some recent film dramas will be seen at once to reflect THE MENTALITY OF THE PRODUCER AND NOT THAT OF THE PEOPLE he thought to portray...the Egyptians WERE SELDOM CONCIOUSLY CRUEL; they DID NOT GRIND MEN TO PULP UNDER THE WHEELS OF THEIR JUGGERNAUGHTS, they DID NOT lash their laboring serfs, they DID NOT torture people,they DID NOT calously inflict death upon anybody-in fact THEY NEVER DID ANY OF THE THINGS of this sort which the film producers are at such pains to present to us."
Sir Arthur Weigall (English Egyptologist) FLIGHTS INTO ANTIQUITY - p.58 Hutchinson&Co., London, 1928
When someone sets out to malign your Ancestors....ask why?
"It was not so long ago, however, that the combined influence of the Bible and Classical tradition CONSPIRED to produce a rather incoherent view of Egyptian civilization..."
'Histoire de l'Egyptye ancienne (A History of Ancient Egypt), translation by Ian Shaw, 1992
Ptolemy I. Soter needed an alibi in history. The historians told you that he needed to make a new God because the Greeks didn't like to worship animal headed figures:"Nevertheless, the Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek statue was chosen as the idol".
That is what is known as an historical Alibi. The Greeks envied the Ancient Egyptians for being black, and their egos (as well as the ego of their savage white leader Ptolemy I SOTER) would not let them worship God in the image of a BLACK MAN (ie. Osiris = "Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"
CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108),
so they made the Blacks instead worship the image of a white savage.....Ptolemy I. SOTER, in the form of Serapis: " a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis. It was named 'Aser-hapi' (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)." Now for the first time in over 5000 YEARS the BLACK GOD OSIRIS WAS NOW A WHITE MAN.
The disloyal African Ancient Egyptian priests sympathetic to their own survival capitulated to Soter's wishes and took from the Native pantheon of Egyptian dieties (the divine triad of Isis the Mother, Osiris the Father, and Horus the child ie. the Black family, this was the first holy trinity), those two aspects of the one personage of God most revered by the black masses of Ancient Egypt....'God Osiris' and his other expression as the 'Apis Bull' (both strong ancient symbols of RESURRECTION in the minds, hearts and Souls of your Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, as it was they who introduced the concept of 'resurrection' to humanity) ....and syncretized these two aspects of Osiris' nature and incarnated into the world one Asar-Apis, a new deity comprised of two very ancient aspects of the most ancient and revered God in Ancient Egypt (in Africa) and that was ....God Osiris, clothed now for the first time as a Statue in the image and form of 'Ser-apis', ie. the savage white Despotic Ptolemaic successor to Alexander of Macedon....Ptolemy I. SOTER.
So here we have the the Greatest savage of antiquity entering Africa (not Los Angeles, not Canada...but where? .....you got it , that's right, the 'The land of the BLACKS'). We first have him seeking out the Temple of the great God of the Blacks...God Amen ('Amen'; ring a bell to any of you Bible thumpers out there?). The name of this game is called 'connect the dots'. God Amen (sometimes spelled Amun, Imn, Amon or Ammon) was being worshipped in Africa by the Blacks in the Nile Valley well over 5 thousand years "before the first savage wore a shoe or lived in a house that had a window". You now know more About Alexander of Macedon than most people you will ever come in contact with, pastors incuded.
Alexander wanted to be declared the son of the God of the Blacks so bad he trekked all the way to this place in AFRICA...look at at it and never forget it, show it to your children so they can see how the savages came to the land of their Ancestors to be exalted above all others. You can never change your children until you change yourselves....LOOK AT IT!
For you Christians ...this was temple of God 'Amen' before Alexander's Greek descendants placed him your Bible. He was the God of your Beautiful Black African Ancestors. You supplicate his name
@ Everyone
The reason Alexander had to bypass Egypt proper and travel to Siwa to meet with the Oracle of God Amen was for this reason; when he asked the priesthood of Ancient Egypt to confer upon him the office of Pharaoh he was rejected as the priesthood only chose from amongst their own African kind. As he was rejected it was reccomended to him that he seek confirmation from God Himself. This was his reason for traveling to Siwa in the land of the Blacks. Now...let us look at God Amen as expressed by our African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt. Let us see how the savage Alexander usurped the office of Pharaoh and had himself rendered the 'Sa Ra' ie. the 'Son of God', 'Amen'.
Scroll down this page and view God Amen as presented with the Ram horns as the ram was his type and symbol. http://urlm.in/fzxy
Now look and see how Alexander had himself rendered as the Son of the African God 'Amen' (God represented in the form of a Ram) http://urlm.in/fzya
Most importantly for the Greeks, the new god had the form of a WHITE MAN" like themselves. For the first tim in their history the Greeks were no longer obliged to worship BLACK PEOPLE as they had been doing up that point. This is historical fact. One thing Black students are never taught to examine are the historical motives of whites. Their austerity is based upon lies and falshoods:
"Negroes were first worshipped in Greece and Rome. White masses bowed down to black deities. The rites of Apollo were founded by Delphos and his negro mother, Melainis; and the worship of black Isis and Horus were popular in Rome and the Roman colonies as far north as Britain. When this latter evolved into the worship of the Black Madonna and the BLACK CHRIST whites also bowed down to them. Negroes, as was said, were deified in the early Greece. They appeared as gods in Greek mythology. The chief title of Zeus,greatest of the Greek gods, was 'Ethiops', that is 'Black' ."
J.A. Rogers 'NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE' publ. 1952
@ All others:
Why have you as black people not taught your children that those who now miseducate them and furnish them with feeble minds once worshipped them as Gods and Goddesses? imagine a black child and a white child sitting in the same calssroom being taught these Truths!! Would your children come home from their 'schools' and hang out in front of grocery corner stores as they do in every black neighborhood in this country? NO THEY WOULD NOT!!! Why? BECAUSE GODS AND GODDESSES DO NOT HANG OUT IN FRONT OF CORNER GROCERY STORES OWNED BY ARABS, ASIANS AND LATINOS!!! I will tell you why you have not told them this......it is because as I have said....a God or Goddess with AMNESIA is of nuse themselves or their progeny; they are disoriented...easily managed within populations....they will even try to emulate their abberated creations.....a state of BACKWARDS affairs will ensue.....this then is your reality black people. My humble suggestion? Follow the example of the 'savage' Adam and check your egos at the door and just accept that this is what has happened on your planet, to you as a people. Where do you think the got the idea for the movie 'The Planet of the Apes'? Where those who once ruled as masters of the planet were now ruled by that which they had just only previously ruled. They were shoving your story in your face....but in your slumbering ignorance which you will defend and champion to the death as you have been emtionally programmed to do, you consumed it as mere ENTERTAINMENT. The gretaest achievement the white man can boast of to this very day is that he took that which he once worshipped and brought it low, lower than even himself; so low that there are those amongst us, who look just like us, who would stop me dead in my tracks from revealing these things to you; not out of historical objectivity, but out of jealousy and envy, because in their small warped minds I have stolen their 'thunder'.....I have what they crave the most.....your attention. They are still deeply infected with a 'plantation' mindset. They are sick and beyond my capcity to assist. Everything else is a much more important topic other than FACTS they have never been, and yet to be, furnished with. The accumulated IQ on their combined pages (just read their blogs) is indicative of the 'sore losers in the sandbox'. Perhaps they should have divulged this information before my arrival, perhaps then I would have found it unnecessary to do so. But alas...the incapable, the incompetent and the uninformed must lick their academic wounds together as they all have one thing in common.......myself as a more than capable adversary.
As against the native Egyptians, the Greeks felt themselves the representatives of a higher civilization. And yet they were, as has been said, impressed by the antiquity and mysterious regularity of the Egyptian tradition. They were curious to know something about it. Only, their curiosity was easily satisfied. No Greek savant, so far as we know, ever took the trouble to learn to read hieroglyphics or to study the records engraved in stone, or written on papyrus, at first hand. The Greeks in Egypt did sometimes learn Egyptian, as we may see by a papyrus of the 2d century B.C., a letter written in Greek by a mother to her son — presumably a Greek family — in which she congratulates him on the fact that he is learning "Egyptian letters" (Αἰγύπτια γράμματα); but his object is not, we find, historical research, it is the hope of securing a post as teacher in a school for Egyptian children, and so providing for his old age. All that Greeks knew about Egyptian antiquity was what Egyptians chose to tell them. The Greek historian, Hecataeus of Abdera, was in Egypt in the days of the first Ptolemy, and travelled up the Nile as far as Thebes to gather material for his History of Egypt (Αἰγυπτιακά). He was specially interested in Egyptian religion, and his informants may have been Egyptian priests or the bilingual native guides who served the needs of Greek tourists. What Diodorus tells us about Egypt in his First Book is largely taken from the work of Hecataeus. No doubt Hecataeus learnt from his informants a good deal that was true, as well as a good deal that was invented in order to present an idealized picture of ancient Egypt to the Greek. Hecataeus gave Greek readers what they wanted — something in literary form which seemed plausible, which pleasantly impressed their imaginations and made them feel that they understood Egypt; they were untroubled by the modern researcher's demand for rigorous documentary verification. Sometimes Egyptians themselves took up the pen to write about their country and their people for Greeks. An Egyptian of the priestly caste, Manetho, wrote a history of Egypt in Greek, with the encouragement apparently of the first Ptolemy. Manetho really had some knowledge of the ancient records, and what he wrote was largely based upon them, though he brought in a certain amount of Egyptian popular legend. It is, however, to his credit that we find him — in one connexion, at any rate — specially pointing out that what he is giving is legend, and not something taken from the documents. The history of Manetho was much the fullest and most authentic history of ancient Egypt which the Greeks and Romans ever possessed. The work has now perished, but the considerable fragments of it, preserved by Josephus and other writers, gave Europe almost all the substantial information it had about ancient Egypt till the 19th century, when scholars discovered the key to the old Egyptian writing. "If we estimate aright the spirit of the Alexandria of that day, we shall not hesitate to say that Manetho's dry enumeration of early dynasties of gods and kings stood no chance in popularity against Hecataeus' agreeable romancing. Possibly the high priest, who is cited as one of Ptolemy's religious advisers, made an honest attempt to counteract the uncritical rubbish which was talked at the Museum concerning the earlier history of his country. In its day his work was a failure, though centuries later Jews and Christians in their controversies raked it out of oblivion".
NOW WE GET TO THE GOOD PART ! RELIGION,,,,,RELIGIOSITY ,,,,,,WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING GOD ! this,,, should teach.. what you think you ... KNOW ABOUT THE GOD YOU SERVE LETS look back at THE HISTORY OF THIS TEACHING MOMENT if you look at the blogs they have changed to gaining the knowledge of truth before it was information and new now the study has changed ! the BIA shake up ,,I TOLD YOU THINGS WOULD CHANGES AROUND HERE ,,READ SOME OF THE BLOGS THAT HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY THIS ,,,, THINKING,,, I CAN ,,SEEK(THE TRUTH ),,,, DISRUPT(BELIEF ) ,,,,AND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DESTROY ,, THE MIND SET OF THE SLAVE,,,,,BUILDING A NATION OF TRUTH !
Tuesday, May 21st 2013 at 12:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
there is much more !
Tuesday, May 21st 2013 at 12:13AM
DAVID JOHNSON
had to take a quick filght ,now im back WHAT IM TRYING TO SHOW IS ALL RELIGION WAS MAN MADE AND HOW alexander the great FORCE HIS WAY ,INTO MAKING PEOPLE BELIEVE HE WAS A GOD ,,,,,A FALSE GOD ,,THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS MAM MADE RELIGION COMES FROM ,,,STOP GIVING INFORMATION THAT HAS YOU THINKING SIDE WAYS ,,,GO BACK TO THE MOTHER LAND AND FIND THE TRUTH ,,,,,, AFRICA ,,IS WHERE THE TRUTH IS !
STOP TELLING US ABOUT ISLAM AND START TELLING US ABOUT AFRICA ,, AFRICA ,,,, AFRICA
Wednesday, May 22nd 2013 at 12:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
BTW ,,im good at throwing insults but it takes a bigger person to stay the course im not concerned about your personals or what makes you tick ,knowledge is powerful ,,it allows all of us who want to shatter negative stereotypes and misconceptions. my deal is stimulates positive ideas, dialogue and solutions.
I made a promise to the person that taught me to teach others the truth about religion ,if you follow slam , Christianity , Buddhism, etc that is your choice im not trying to change that im just trying to show you where religion comes from ,,,
for all of you throwing out insults ,,ck your religion see if that is a requirement to get your point across if not ask yourself are you in the hypocrite zone would the GOD you serve agree with the method of your madness !
Buddhism is an interesting case. I would say yes it is man made and to me it is a way to peace with the world. Shakyamuni may or may not have been historical, but it really doesn't matter because Buddhism teaches there are many Buddhas. And it is interesting there was Buddhist influence on Christianity. There was certainly ancient trade between Egypt and India.
Wednesday, May 22nd 2013 at 3:09PM
Steve Williams
uuummmm so I can detect a bit of religious discomfort in some of these comments.
YEA SIS POWELL IS THROWING INSULTS AS ALWAYS ,,,but this other guy A.B. Madyun has been trying to throw insults AS WELL , both of them got deleted this information is too good for personal attacks ,,,for me when they do that it takes the integrity out of the information being presented ,,,,, like they are taking it personal , then they want to say there religion should be held in the highest esteem but their conduct is that of a hypocrite , this is why '' I DONT FOLLOW MANS RELIGION ''' call me spiritual !!!! I DONT NEED RELIGION TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ,,,,,GOD !
AND I DONT NEED NO ONE TO GO TO GOD ON MY BEHALF,I DONT NEED TO DO 100 PRAYERS A DAY , BURN NO MAGIC DUST,SMOKE NO PIECE PIPE, ETC ,,,,,the GOD i serve loves me and has blessed me far beyond my expectation far past anything i could ever think of ,,,,, im blessed to be a blessing to others this is the way of life for me ,,to bless others ! !
Friday, May 24th 2013 at 3:12AM
DAVID JOHNSON
someone tell these guys to practice what they preach !
Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately and know that your deeds will not make you enter Paradise, and that the most beloved deed to Allah’s is the most regular and constant even though it were little.” ——— Prophet Muhammad (s) as narrated by A’isha (ra) in Sahih Bukhari, vol. 8, hadith 471
Friday, May 24th 2013 at 3:25AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Big D you and I both know that there is alot of diversity/sacredness when it comes to religion. As you and I are Christians were taught that our religion was "the" religion. The same goes for Protestants, Hindus, Muslims and their beliefs....
WE ALL should know that Each One/Persoon is responsible for his/her wrath or redemption. It's not for you nor I to tell anyone about their
religious behavior.... But all that I can say to you, with a voice of reason.... We each have our beliefs and what we feel is for our salvation ...
"Take what you will from each and every religion, but take it and make it your own. The only true religion is a free and independent one, independent in thought, independent in heart. Independence is not achieved through conformity. Ryan W. Kimball"
INSANITY DEFINED: unless you’ve given up on life and business and you simply don’t even want to try anymore.... Doing the Same Old Things & Expecting Different Result “If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got."..... Happy Friday!!!
Friday, May 24th 2013 at 11:55AM
DAVID JOHNSON
christian ,YES ,,,jesus was a black man ,,,,African who wrote the bible i will not go to hell worshiping the GOD created by Alexander the great I will go to heaven because of mY worship of GOD IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ! THERE ARE TOO MANY LIES IN THE KJ BIBLE ,,,,,,,,
Friday, May 24th 2013 at 12:00PM
DAVID JOHNSON
when you talk about islam you got to know the root ,,not the branches but the root and that where im starting from the voice the Language where did it come from now I showed this before look again where the Arabic alphabet /Language comes from ,,,where? ''Syriac'' no other place but Syriac'' Languages Nabataean language Time period 2nd century BC to 4th century AD Parent systems Proto-Sinaitic alphabet Phoenician alphabet Aramaic alphabet Syriac alphabet Nabataean Child systems Arabic alphabet
NOTICE Parent systems,,,,Syriac alphabet
Child systems Arabic alphabet
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:29AM
DAVID JOHNSON
the Nabataean alphabet is a consonantal alphabet (abjad) that was used by the Nabataeans in the 2nd century BC.[1] Important inscriptions are found in Petra, Jordan. The alphabet is descended from the Aramaic alphabet via the Syriac alphabet. A cursive form of it in turn developed into the Arabic alphabet from the 4th century,[1] which is why its letter forms are intermediate between the more northerly Semitic scripts such as the Arabic.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:30AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Joseph Halévy a teacher in Jewish schools, first in his native town and later in Bucharest, he devoted his leisure to the study of Oriental languages and archeology, in which he became proficient. In 1868 he was sent by the Alliance Israélite Universelle to Abyssinia to study the conditions of the Falashas. His report on that mission, which he had fulfilled with distinguished success, attracted the attention of the French Institute (Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres), which sent him to Yemen to study the Sabaean inscriptions. Halévy returned with 686 of these, deciphering and interpreting them, and thus succeeding in reconstructing the rudiments of the Sabaean language and mythology. In 1879 Halévy became professor of Ethiopic in the Ecole des Hautes Etudes, Paris, and librarian of the Société Asiatique. Halévy's scientific activity has been very extensive, and his writings on Oriental philology and archeology, which display great originality and ingenuity, have earned for him a worldwide reputation. He is especially known through his controversies with eminent Assyriologists concerning the non-Semitic Sumerian idiom found in the Assyro-Babylonian inscriptions. Contrary to the generally admitted opinion, Halévy put forward the theory that Sumerian is not a language, but merely an ideographic method of writing invented by the Semitic Babylonians themselves.[1] Halevy was a professor at the University of Paris.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:30AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Information on Muhammad After examining early non-Muslim sources that mention Muhammad dating from the seventh century, I concludes: precludes any doubts as to whether Muhammad was a real person: he is named in a Syriac source that is likely to date from the time of the conquests, and there is an account of him in a Greek source of the same period The Armenian chronicler of the 660s attests that Muhammad was a merchant not a prophet his name was shaykh al-akbar mohiuddin ibn arabi they changed his name to Muhammad later on they called him prophet Muhammad ,OHH **** getting real read on shaykh al-akbar mohiuddin ibn arabi father, ‘Ali ibn Muḥammad, ''notice the last name'' he served in the Army of ibn Mardanīsh. When ibn Mardanīsh died in 1172 AD, ‘Ali ibn Muḥammad swiftly shifted his allegiance to the Almohad Sultan, Abū Ya’qūb Yūsuf I, and became one of his military advisers. His family then relocated from Murcia to Seville. His mother came from a wealthy Berber family with strong ties to northern Africa. but they dont want you to know that abour his mother The Qur'an itself has some, though very few, incidental allusions to Muhammad's life.[2] However, the "Qur'an responds constantly and often candidly to Muhammad's changing historical circumstances and contains a wealth of hidden data that are relevant to the task of the quest for the historical Muhammad,,,because Prophet muhammad never existed!
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:31AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Attempts to distinguish between the historical elements and the unhistorical elements of many of the reports of Muhammad have not been very successful. A major source of difficulty in the quest for the historical Muhammad is the modern lack of knowledge about pre-Islamic Arabia !
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:32AM
DAVID JOHNSON
At present, the study of Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim community, is obviously caught in a dilemma. On the one hand, it is not possible to write a historical biography of the Prophet without being accused of using the sources uncritically, while on the other hand, when using the sources critically, it is simply not possible to write such a biograph
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:32AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The main source on Muhammad's life are Muslim sources written in Arabic, which include the Qur'an and accounts of Muhammad's life written down by later Muslims, based on oral traditions. These sources are known as sīra and hadith this is all hearsay ,,no historical records with verifiable information According to traditional Islamic scholarship, all of the Qur'an was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive (during AD 610-632), but it was primarily an orally related document. The written compilation of the whole Qur'an in its definite form as we have it now was not completed until many years after the death of Muhammad what happen to Jibreel (archangel Gabriel) a damn BIRD was sent by Allaah to bestow the revelations to Prophet Muhammad. In fact, empirically speaking, the Qur’aan definitively disembarked from the vocal cord of Muhammad’s larynx to be heard by his companion’s eardrums here is a few reasons why the traditional account of how the Qur'an was compiled writing that "there is no hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form before the last decade of the seventh century.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
im a lil tired now but I really want to get this out let me push notice that the Arabic Qur’aanic containing foreign linguistic influence note in a Syriac church when you say GOD you say Allah ,,,I learned long ago from DR. CHEIKH ANTA DIOP he said you must understand language the language in Syriac Christianity was established among the Syriac (Aramaic) speaking population of Aramea (with Syrian Antioch being the center of some of the earliest Christian communities of the Near East) and Assyria (Persian ruled Athura/Assuristan) during the 1st to 5th centuries AD. Until the 7th century AD Arab Islamic conquests, Syriac Christianity was divided between two empires, Sassanid Persia in the east and Rome/Byzantium in the west. The western group in Syria (ancient Aramea), the eastern in Assyria and Persian Athura/Assuristan (Assyria) and Mesopotamia. Syriac Christianity was divided from a fairly early date over questions of Christological dogma, viz. Nestorianism in the east and Monophysitism and Dyophysitism in the west.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
he earliest Western scholarship on Islam tended to be Christian and Jewish translators and commentators.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:34AM
DAVID JOHNSON
"Education is about thinking, not just learning by heart."studying gathering information verifying doc searching for verifiable data to support the claim research all come into play when gathering truth ,,whey A book a holy book is written we assume its from GOD,BY GOD ,GOD IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIX RIGHT ,,,,,,why is it THE QURAN, THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. they say that Mohammad was dumb for a better word is this like Moses humm anyway DO ALL THE MISTAKES, ERRORS, CONTRADICTIONS, ETC. PROVE 110% OR JUST 100% THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM - AND PERHAPS ALLAH?
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:35AM
DAVID JOHNSON
One thing is sure: An omniscient god does not make mistakes. Another thing that is sure, is that an omniscien god does not contradict himself or make other contradictions. Yet another thing that is sure is that an omniscient god does not have to try and fail - he knows from the very beginning what is best. The same goes for changing his mind now and then - an omniscient god knows from the very start what he wants and likes and best solutions and what rules and laws will work best.
not to mention that a good and benevolent god does not condemn people to Hell already before they are born and without a chance to save themselves, like the Quran tells. Neither does he preach injustice like stealing/robbing, suppressing, rape, killing etc. of somebody's fellow humans. Also any good and benevolent god has a moral codex roughly like this: "Do against others like you want others to do against you".
All the same the Quran is unbelievably full of mistaken facts and other mistakes - see seperate chapters. This is a direct contradiction to what Muhammad, the Quran, Muslims, and Islam claim (as usual without any documentation). Even worse: This mistaken claim of perfection they try to use as a proof for that the book is made by a god. What then does all the mistakes in reality prove? Of course that the Quran is not made by a god - which is the reason why Muslims and Islam cannot accept one singel mistake in the book, no matter how "far out" many of their "explanarions" are; if there is even one mistake, something is wrong with the religion.
An extra tit-bit is that many of the mistakes and some of the other ideas, are in accordance with wrong science one believed in in the area at the time of Muhammad. No omniscient and ethernal god has to follow wrong science from a primitive time and a primitive people on a small part of Earth - a small planet in an obscure corner of a medium galaxy drifting somewhere in the Universe among some billions of others. Something is definitely wrong also here.
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:35AM
DAVID JOHNSON
No record of Muhammad's reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date. The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur'an. They call the conquerors "Ishmaelites," "Saracens," "Muhajirun," and "Hagarians," but never "Muslims." The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don't mention Islam or the Qur'an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of "Muhammad" are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name, but also as an honorific. The Qur'an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650s. Casting into serious doubt that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabians nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention its existence until the early eighth century.
We don't begin to hear about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, and about Islam itself until the 690s, during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also. In the middle of the eighth century, the Abbasid dynasty supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. In the Abbasid period, biographical material about Muhammad began to proliferate. The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era-at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.
The lack of confirming detail in the historical record, the late development of biographical material about the Islamic prophet, the atmosphere of political and religious factionalism in which that material developed, and much more, suggest that the Muhammad of Islamic tradition did not exist, or if he did, he was substantially different from how that tradition portrays him.
How to make sense of all this? If the Arab forces that conquered so much territory beginning in the 630s were not energized by the teachings of a new prophet and the divine word he delivered, how did the Islamic character of their empire arise at all? If Muhammad did not exist, why was it ever considered necessary to invent him? Every empire of the day had a civic religion. The Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire was Christian. Its rival Persia, meanwhile, was Zoroastrian. The Arab Empire quickly controlled and needed to unify huge expanses of territory where different religions predominated. The empire was growing quickly, soon rivaling the Byzantine and Persian Empires in size and power. But at first, it did not have a compelling political theology to compete with those it supplanted and to solidify its conquests. It needed a common religion -- a political theology that would provide the foundation for the empire's unity and secure allegiance to the state.
Toward the end of the seventh century and the beginning of the eighth, the leaders of the Muslim world began to speak specifically about Islam, its prophet, and eventually its book. Stories about Muhammad began to circulate. A warrior-prophet would justify the new empire's aggressive expansionism. To give those conquests a theological justification -- as Muhammad's teachings and example do -- would place them beyond criticism. This is why Islam developed as such a profoundly political religion. Islam is a political faith: the divine kingdom is very much of this world, with God's wrath and judgment to be expected not only in the next life, but also in this one, to be delivered by believers. Allah says in the Qur'an: "As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them" (3:56). Allah also exhorts Muslims to wage war against those infidels, apostates, and polytheists (2:191, 4:89, 9:5, 9:29). There is compelling reason to conclude that Muhammad, the messenger of Allah came into existence only after the Arab Empire was firmly entrenched and casting about for a political theology to anchor and unify it. Muhammad and the Qur'an cemented the power of the Umayyad caliphate and then that of the Abbasid caliphate. This is not just academic speculation this is scholarship
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 1:36AM
DAVID JOHNSON
more on Islam ..then to the blog spot and face book !
Harry you IQ is to low to understand what IM doing ,,in other words you to dumb to comprehend !
Monday, February 3rd 2014 at 3:01AM
DAVID JOHNSON
HERE'S where any true investigation of the 'history' of Islam should begin.
We already know of the suppressed historical data concerning black antiquities right here in the Americas that even pre-date Africa's and India's most ancient legacies; antiquities not yet given their proper place within the scholarship and annals of 'black' history. So how does one presume to be so cock-sure about a historical 'new-bee' like Mohammed, and the assumed legacies of a "johnny-come-lately" religion called "Islam"?
And if you think to tell me that Mohammed's Islam was responsible for "introducing" said ancient architecture, ceremonies and rituals to the Shiva worshippers of the Indus Valley through their 'jihads against infidels'; again, your "scholarship" needs a bit more time to ripen on the vine.
In fact; you need to BEGIN your arguments by explaining to everyone how it is that the so-called older "mosques" attributed to the Muslim/Islamic "builders" of Mohammed’s invasions, have recently been discovered by prominent Dravidian archeologists to have the same distinct designs and markings directly related to the ancient INDUS VALLEY temple-builders and their explicit styles of architecture. But you can't. Because these ancient "mosques" are in fact the STOLEN temples of worship once built for, and dedicated to SHIVA; temple architecture (rituals and ceremonies) 'jacked' by Mohammed's invaders, which existed as the spiritual legacies of the Indus Valley civilizations for EONS before what is now worshipped as the 3-headed beast ever existed; Christianism, Judaism and Islamism.
Islamism, (or what is "practiced" AS Islam today through Qu'ran/al-Qur’ân; meaning "the recitation"), is in fact a "johnny-come-lately" hodge-podge of "UNIVERSAL TRUTHS"; that is, fundamental philosophies based in the ancient science of ASTRONOMY——but, like Christianism and Judaism today, is practiced through its anthropomorphic and profane twin "ASTROLATRY"——a dogmatized convolution of our original sciences that mapped and decoded the mathematical and photo-geometric Light-Code 'spectraglyphs' of the sky, which they translated into the elaborately woven cryptic prose and verses that became "scriptures" about God's (the stars') overall relationship to Nature and Man—taught to the world by our "black" ancestors for a thousand millennia BEFORE an "Allah", or even the language that created his name ever existed; high sciences which, in the end, were twisted into a theo-political tool conjured up to organize and control the peoples of that region to serve the greed and avarice of the Papal Emperors of Rome.
And no; "Vatican Assassins" and "comic books"(???!!) are not the only sources where one searches to find Islam's BLACK Augustinian origins ("Saint" Augustine was black) to fit the missing pieces of this equation.
Again; the "true" historical proof that exposes the myth of Islam being "inspired" teachings received by Mohammed from "divine revelations in a cave", lay in the evidence of the location of it's holiest temple, the origins of its tenets, its rituals and its practices as being blatant thefts and plaguarizations of virtually ALL the ancient structures, rituals, ceremonies and teachings of the black civilizations of the Indus Valley; not to mention the rip-off of ancient Kem. The parts played by the Vatican, and later the British monarchy in fusing and interweaving their own secularized Judeo-Christian 'prophets' with Astrology, Kemetic and Hindu philosophy, their rituals and tenets to create this new "Muslim-mix", will be addressed when I decide to re-visit this topic in public forum at a later date.
Strange thing though? With all your self-righteous ranting about the newest information surfacing to challenge the legitimacy of 'Islam' (and NOT just the tenuous overview of a "Vatican Assassins" - a Christian Crakkka with racist issues; or the occult sigils use by Islam such as the star and crescent, which is but another rip-off of our Kemetic symbolism), you failed to dispute ANY of the information I discussed showing in pictographic depth the DIRECT relationship of a 'johnny-come-lately' "Islam" to the nearly 3000 year-old worship of SHIVA; even to the extent that Noble Drew Ali himself, along with his personal secretary, secretly recognized this in their gestures and dress.
Hmmmm. Maybe that's an issue you'll include at a later time, when you get another chance to call me some more unsavory names.
In closing; I'm QUITE sure I will be receiving a storm of rebuttals to this brief notation on the subject; maybe even to my character once again as an evasive "bloodsucker to the poor" (LOL) who has no REAL "proof" of anything. That's all well and good.
(Actually, it's all kind of amusing to me)
In the meantime Mr."Muhammad Muhammad" and Mr."True Islam"...; lobbing invectives at me in order to sucker me into playing your childish head games of intellectual "tit-for-tat", is THE quintessential earmark of a "ghetto-scholar", and I won't be a party to such nonsense. Your personal insults do not impress me, nor do they inspire me to want to treat this as anything more than the outbursts of spoiled, self-centered pre-teens, un-deservedly demanding the immediate attention of a busy parent.
When the appropriate time comes, I will again take up this delicate issue and address it (hopefully) to the full satisfaction of all concerned. And those of you who doubt my reputation for following through with what I say I INTEND to do ......GO CHECK THE RECORD!
In the meantime; try to be a little more civil when you address your elders. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You should know better.
Friday, February 7th 2014 at 7:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
LOV YA, MY SON AND YOU EXPLAINED WHY I AM NO LONGER CATHOLIC AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THAT BULL OF HE POPE'S BUT I DID NOT GO OUT AND TRY TO BRING DOWN ALL OTHER BLACK PLACES OF WORSHIP...I DID LIKE SO MANY OTHERS WHO STUDY OUR TRUE AND ATUAL HISTORY AND GUESS WHAT WE NOW HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT...SURE MANY BLACCKS DON'T LIOKE HIM, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT CHANG WHAT BISHOP TUTU'S TELEGRAM SAID..."UP FORM SLAVERY TO BEING LEADER OF THEMOST POWERFUL NATION ON THEPLANET AND HE SURE DID NOT GET THERE BY US TRYING TO BRING DOWN BLACKS FREEDOMS BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HELP BRING DOWN THENOINOW DIE WE...WE UNITED TO CHANGE HISTORY INTO A DIRECTION AWAY FORM JIM CROW RULES LIKE THESE TRYING TO BE PROMOTED ON YOUR BLOG THAT BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN WE ARE WORTHLESS UNLSEE AND UNTIL WE BRINGT SOWN TEH NOI!!! AND OUR OWN MOTHERS WORTH LESS TAHN THAT.!!! (MOZELL)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, YOU GO ON WITH YOUR BAD SELF...WETOO OFTEN LEAVE OUT SAINT PAUL ALTOGATHER IS SUCH VITAL INFORMATION WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE CREATOR OF THE 'CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT' AWAY FROM JUDISM...(MOZELL)...
WHAT IS THAT ECHO "I" KEEP HEARING ABOUT 'T-R-U-T-H'?LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@A-L-L..."I" DID NOT REALIZE UNTIL ABOUT A HALF HOUR AGO JUST HOW MUCH THE DIALOGUE ON THIS POST OT DAVID'S HAD AFFECTED ME ON A PERSONAL BASIC...AND RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT IF I MAY...I SEEK YOUR HELP ON THIS MATTER...
THERE IS A REPORT ABOUT THE LATEST ARREST ONF A 19 YEAR OLD SEEKING TO BUY GUNS AND GO TO TH EMIDDLE- EAST TO FIGHT AGAINST THE AMERICAN 'NONBELIEVERS' AND TIS WAS DEFINED AS A JIHAD...THERE IS A REPORT ABOUT HOW THESE WOMEN SUFFERED AT TH HANDS OF THEIR MALE CAPITVE FOR 10 YEARS AND BOTH HIT ME AS TIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEING ON THIS VERY BLOG!!!...
THIS CAUSED ME TO ONDER ABOUT HOW THE MEDI ASAY TH ENET IS BEING USED TO GET OUR YOUTH TO WANT TO KILL THE NONBELIEVERS OF ISLAM...TIS LED ME TO BELIEVE WHAT IS TH EDIFFERENCE EXCPET THESE WOMEN IN CLEVLAND WERE NOT MARRIED...ARN'T NONBELIEVERS CONSIDERED AS 'DAMAGED' /UNCLEAN...YOU ARE LESS THAN SO YOU MUST EITHER CONVERT OR DIE...SO WHAT AND WHY 'JIHAD' ?!? IF NOT FOR ENFORCING 'WILL OR DEATH"?!?...
"I" AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH TIS CONCLUSION, BUT I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET AWAY FROM THIS FORM OF ANTI INDIVIDUAL AND HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN SAY, DO THIS AND YOU ARE A MAN ONLY IF YOU SHAKE THE SHACKLES OF 'CHRISTIANITY' ESPECIALY AMERICAN STYLE. (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID.LOL!!! YOU LEFT OUR A MAJOR PART ABOUT PARIS ISLAND...THE BUGS THAT SCIENCE SAYS ARE SO PLENTAFUL AND FURIOUS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO EVEN CLASSIFY THEM ALL YET!!! (ROTFL) (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THE NOI IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER RELIGIONS, THEY WILL FIND AS MANY AS THEY CAN TO JUSTIFY THE NEED TO BREAK OFF AND CALL THE OLD NAME RELIGION HEY BROKE OFF FROM AS DEAD WRONG AND SINFUL AND WILL KEEP RIGHT ON PUSHING...
AGAIN IT IS HUMAN BEHAVIOR FO SURVIVAL. (SMILE)..
.ME, "I" JUST SAY THEY ALL BALANCE EACH OTHER IN FULLING A NEED ON ALL SIDES AND WHY I NEVER SAY WRONG OR RIGHT ON ANY ISSUE ONLY A CHANCE TO EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...LOV YA A-L-L (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
BUSY BEE AT THE RATE WE ARE GOING OUR CATHOLIC ROOTS WILL HAVE US CAUSING 'RIOTS' ALL OVER EVER WHERE.LOL!!!..."I"MAY HAVE TO COME BORROW SOME EXTRA STINGERS FROM YOU. (ROTFLMAO)(SMILE)...
AND DAVID YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@OUR FIRST BLACK AMERICA PROPHET...H-E-L-P!!!back (ROTFLMAO) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
WE HAVE GOT TO STAART TO ACCEPT IT HAPPENS ON THE WHITE AMERICA CHRISTIAN SIDE, EXAMPLE...
REV. AL TODAY ON IS PROGRAM WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT TURNED ON HIS NEED TO KILL AN ABORTION DOCTOR... IN TH ENAME FO HIM DOING GOD'S WORK (NUP/SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THE ABORTION DR. KILLER'S MENATLY ILL STANDARD FOR WHITES KILLING WHITES OR AT LEAST KILLING WHITE ADULTS IS ALWAYS TH EINSANE AND NOT 'VIOLENT'...ONLY IN AMERICA...ONLY IN AMERICA (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT YOU DENOUNCE TH ENOI...IS ROBERT THESAME KIND OF 'SELL OUT' OR A DIFFEREN MORE ACCEPTABLE DEFINITION OF A NOI SELL OUT YOU APPLY TO YOUR OWN SELF? LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
SO NOT TO WORRY MY SON ROBERT IS HERE TO 'ENLIGHTEN' US ALL, RIGHT ROBERT...OR DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR JAKE TO COME AND HELP YOU? (OTFL)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, WHAT IN THE WORLD KIND OF NEW MEDS ARE YOU GIVING HARRY? NOT ONE DEMEANING WORD OUT OFHIM...
OR HARRY HAVE YOU FINALLY LISTEN TO MY SON'S WARNINGS?...
OR A M I GETTING LIKE JAKE AND ROBERT AND SEEING A FAKE HARRY? LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT ALL YOU HAVE DONE FROM WHAT I SEE YOU WRITE ON THIS SITE IS...
YOU HAVE GONE FROM SAYING IT WOULD DISPLEASURE YOUR CREATOR IF YOU USED WORDS LIKE: BLACK... *****...BUT NOW SAY THESE TWO WORDS WITH THE BEST OF US ON BIA...
YOU ADMITTED JUST LIKE HARRY THAT NOW YOU HAVE STOPPED KISSING MINISTER FARRAKHAN'S ASS YOUBOTH NOW WANT BIA TO BRING HIM DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAILD IN ALL OF YOUR ATTEMPTS TO DO SO BECAUSE THE TWO OF YOU SO REGRETS KISSING HIS ASS FOR SO MANYYEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
PEASE STICK WITH JEN AND JAKE TO HELP YOU WITHTHIS AND ALL OF YOU GUYS STOP TRYING TO BLAME ME FOR NOT RAISING ASS KISSERS AS YOU DO HERE ON BIA.
(OTFLMPROUD BLACK AO)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
QUESTION...
SHOULD "I' LAUGH , CRY OR JUST ACCEPT AS OUR SOCIAL NORM THAT SINCE DAVID'S POSTING INFO ON OUR NEW BLACK TV ENTERPRISE THAT IT IS ALRIGHT FOR US TO ACCEPT THIS PRESON AS A GREAT SPORT'S FIGURE BUT WE MUST USE BLACK SOCIAL NETWORKING TO DEMEAN HIM AS A BUSINESS MAN?!? (NUP)...
I REFUSE TO NAME NAMES ON THIS MATTER.LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@SEBRA, "I" BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY AND AS PROOFS OF WHY I BELIEVE IT IS TEH ASSANIATIONS OF: PRESIDENT J.F.K, HIS BROTHER, DR. KING AS MALCOM X STILL HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLVED BY ANYONE IN THE POWERS THAT BE, BE IT THE FBI /CIA, OUR LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS AND AS WELL AS THEY A-L- FOLLOW THE SAME EXACT PATTERNS OF BEHAVIORS TO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NUP/ SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...DIVIDE AND CONQUOR FROM WITHIN BECAUSE IT CAN NEVER BE DONE FROM THE POWERS THAT BE AS THEYHAVE THROWN EVERY THING THEY HAVE AFTER US SINCE WE LANDED ON THESE SHORES TO GET US TO BREAK OUR TIES FROM MOTHER AFRICA. (NUP/ SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
LETS NOT FORGET HOOVER WAS ABLE TO BE MARRIED TO HIS SAME s*x PARTNER AND BY WAY OF BLACK MAIL...HE SOULD SUCCESSFULY DO SO WITH JFK BUT NO THIS BROTHER...ANYONE REMEMBER JFK WHEN HE GOT TIERED OF M. MONROE HE TURNED HER OVER TOBROTHER ROBERT AND THE MYSTERIOUS STILL UNSOLVED DEATH OF HER...IDON'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE BLACK MAILED LIKE KING OR MALCOM OUR ROBERT...
FOOD FOR THOUGHT...CHRISTIAN, FAMILY VALUE AMERICA(NS)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
me, "i" am a firm believer in 'cause' and 'effect'...AND, THE MEDIA DID NOT KILL MALCOM X!!! AND I AM A FRIM BELIEVER IN THE NOI CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT SOWN FROM WITHIN... MUCH LIKE TOAY HER IS WHAT I SAW ON FOX...
THEY AE PUTING DOWN ERIC HOLDER AS WRONG FOR SSAYING WE SOULD NOT TURN ON OTHER RELIGIONS FOR WHAT 2 PEOPLE DID AS SAYING HE IS WRONG FOR SAYING SOMETING LIKE HAT AND HOW THE BOSTON BOMBERS SHOULD BE TRIED AS ENEMY COMBATANTS AND WENT RIGHT ON TO SAY THE MAN NOW UNDER ARREST FOR TRYING TO KILL OUR PRESIDENT IS 'MENALLY ILL'...NOW LETS LOOK AT IT FROM TEH ANGLE OF WE SHOULD ALLOW...
SOME TO BE TREATED ASD EQUAL...
THE TWO MUSLIMS TAT ATTEMPTED TO KILL PEOPLE ON AN AIR PLANE AS MUSLIMS WER SUPPOSED TO BE TRIED AS COMBANTS AND THEY COMMITTED A'VIOLENT' 'TERRORIST ACT'''AND YE HE WHITE CHRISTIAN WHO 'ATEMPTED' TO KILL OUR PRESIDEN TOF THE USA IS 'MENATLLY ILL'...
ME, I SAY WOMEN SHOULD BE TREATED AS EQUAL FALL UNDER THE SAME MIND SET IF THE MALES CAN HAVE 'ILLEGAL MARRIAGES OF MORE THEN ONE WIFE THEN THE FEMALE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOAS WELL...
ANY ARGUMENT ON 'EQUALITY FOR ALL BE IT RACE, CREED, GENDER'...IN AMERICA?!? (S-M-I-L-E)
WE ARE INDIVIDUALS IS TRUE BUT SHOULD WE NOT HAVE THE SAME LAWS PROTECTING A-L-L???????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. ME, "I" BELIEVE MALCOM X BEING KILLED BY THE MEDIA FRENZY ON NOI ATTACKS EACH OTHER IS WHAT DREW THE ATTENTION....ALONG WITH THE NOI IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA SO GET RID OF A. HALL FOR EVEN DARING TO BRING MINISTER FARRAKHAN WAS ANOTHER PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS.
ME, "I"HAVE NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING THE 'NOI' AND WHY IT SO UPSETS ME AN OUT SIDER BEING ABLE TO DO THIS AND FIND ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT MEMBERS OF TH ENOI CAN'T DO THIS.BUT AS A NDB, I NEVER ALLOW OBSTICLES TO SAND IN MY WAY PREVENTING ME FROM LEARING FROM ALL SIDES AND TO RESPECT ALL HUMANS UNCONDETIONALLY. (NUP/SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HARRY AS WELL TOME REPRESENTS N-E-W RELIGION(S) ALWAYS SPIN OFF FROM DISSATISFACTIONS WITH THE ORIGINAL RELIGION(S) OF THOSE WHO BECOME LEADERS OF IT ALONG WITH THOSE WILLING TO FOLLOW...HELL "I" BELIEVE THIS IS HOW THE 'ORIGINAL' VERSION OF THE 'SPIN OFF GOT STARTED. LOL!!!(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..."I" COULD NEVER MAKE THESE THINGS UP...BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS BECAUSE I ALSO BELIEVE IN BUDDAH NATURE AND IT ONLY MEANS WE HAVE THE UNLIMITED POWERS TO DO GOOD OR TO DO BAD AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAUSES AND EFFECT ONE HAS ON THEIR ENVIORNMENT BECAUSE WE ARE O EACH OTHER LIKE FISH IN WATER...AS IN CAUSE WILL ALWAYS RESULT IN AN EFFECT BE WE LIKE IT OF NOT...AGREE WITH IT OR NOW. (SMILE)...
AND I ALSO BELIEVE BUDDHA WAS A MAN AND AS A MAN HE SAID ALL OF MANKINDS SUFFERINGS COMES FROM THE 4 SUFFERINGS OF:
BIRTH SICKNESS OLD AGE DEATH...(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT OUT THERE SIDING WITH BOTH EVE AND MOTHER NATURE IN SAYING DON'T F**K WITH ME BECAUSE I WILL F**K YOU UP WORST EVERY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ROTFL) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOT TO ORRY MY CHILD WE BOTH MUST GO TO CONFESSION BEFORE WE CAN BURN A CANDLE FOR POPE FRANCIS I...ME, "I"AM STILL CHANTING(PRAYING ) FOR HIM, BUT STILL IN THE I AM GOING STATE...I HAVE CHANGED MY VACATION BACK EAST UNTIL THANKSGIVING AND AS I WILL BE AT MY CATHOLIC PART OF MY FAMILY, I KNOW I WILL BURN ONE FOR HIM THEN..MY BABY SISTER IS NOW PAST CHILD BARING AGE SO I DON'T HAVE HER TO SIDE WITH ME ANY MORE AS SHE DON'T TAKE BIRTH CONTROL ANY MORE..LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I WONDER IF THE WIFE OF THE BOSTON BOMER IS ACCUSED OF DISPITE HER WORKING AN 80 HR. WEEK AND HAS NOT ONLY NO TIME TO BE AT HOME WATCHING WHAT HE HUSBAND IS DOING CAN SHE USE A CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM DEFENSE OF A WIFE SHOULD BE OBEDIENT...ANOTHER FORM OF 'EQUALITY' THAT COMES TO MIND ON WOMEN AS WELL...
AND, A.B. HERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF CAUSE ADNEFFECT...
CAUSE :YOU WANT ME TO READ A BOOK... EFFECT: "I' PROMISE I WILL GET THE BOOK AND READ IT FROM COVER ON ONE CONDITION, YOU GET A BOOK IN YOUR COLLEGE PHILOSOPHY DEPT. IN ONE OF ITS CRITICAL THINKING CLASS' AND READ IT FROM COVER TO COVER...IT CAN BE OF ANY AUTHOR AS THEY MAY CHANGE BOOKS EACH SEMESTER. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AND, SPEAKING ONLY FO RMY OWN SELF...I RESPECT ALL HUMANS AS EQUAL IN BEING MEMBERS OF TH EHUMAN RACE THEREFORE KNOWING PEOPLE CHOSE RELIGIONS TO BE HELP IN BEING THE BEST PERSON THEY CAN BE...THERE IS NO TONE FAITH/ PLACE I WOULD NOT ATTEND AND NO DO SO PROUDLY...BECAUSE I REFUSE ANY RIGHTS , MORALS TAHT DO NOT COVER ALL OF MANKIND, PERIOD!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AND, ONCE I OWE IT MIISRRAL-BRIDE IN HER LEAD IN HELPING ME TO UNDERSTAND IT WAS OT CHRISTIANITY I WAS AGAINST TH EABUSE OF IT..NOW LOOK AT THIS EXAMPLE,
THE PRO BASKET BALL PLAYER JASON COLLINS COMEING OUT TO THE 'GAY CLOSET" NOW HEE WE IF TURING AAINST HIM WE CAN NOT BLAME THE 'MAN' BECAUSE MAGIC JOHNSON IS BLACK AS WELL AND WHEN HE CAME OUT OF THE AIDES CLOSET HE WAS ALLOWED TOLEAVE WHEN HE WISHED AS AIDES IS CATCHING SO WHAT NOW FOR JC DO WE NOW HANG HIM ON A CROSS LIKE ANOTHER JC BECASUE HE CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET AS THE SON OF GOD? LIKE I AM SUPPOSE TO TURN AGAINST EH NOI ALONG WIT TEHMUSLIMCOMMUNITY BECAUSE NOI MEMBERS WERE CONVICTED OF KILLING HIM OR AM I SUPPOSE TO SEE THOSE WHO WERE FOUND GUILTY FOR MALCOM X'S DEATH?
NOW WHAT IS THE CHRISTIAN WORLD SUPPOSE TO DO WHEN TEBO COMES OUT OF TH ECLOSET???
SO PLEASE I WILL CHALLENGE ANY ONE WHO SAYS A-L-L RELIGIONS HAVE A DIRECT TIE WITH EXPLAINING LIFE AFTER DEATH!!! AND TO YOUR MENTION OF 'RAPTURE' DOC... PALIN'S FELIGION SAYS TO BE SAVED WHEN IT COMES ONE MUST BE IN ALASKA AND DOES SP HAVE INSIDE INFO ON THE MOMENT IT WILL COME BECAUSE SHE SURE IS NOT INALASKA IS SHE???...ACTIONS ALWAYS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS. (SMILE)
NOW I SO LOOK FORWARD TO A MUSLIM SAYING IT IS AS WRONG TO KILL CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT AS IT IS FOR CHRISTIANS TO KILL MUSLIMS IN AMERICA...ME, "I" CAND SAY IT AND I CAN ALSO SAY JASON COLLINS IS STILL A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE AND NOT STRESS OUT OVER IT AT ALL. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HELL DOC. IF I HAD THAT ATTITIDE I WOULD HAVE HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN MY TWO OWN DAUGHTERS!!! AS I SAID TO A JEHOVAH WITNESS ONE DAY...ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS IS A CHRISTIAN, TH EOTHER IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS SO WHICH ONE SHOULD I DISOWN AND SHOULD HEY BOTH DISOWN ME AS I AM A NDB...SHE PROMPLY LEFT MY PROPERTY, BEFORE I HAD TO ASK HER TO DO IT BECAUSE SHE REFUSED TO BACK UP HER OWN HUMAN BEHAVIORS...PLUS I KNOW MY DAUGHTER THE JEHOVAH WITNESS WOULD NEVER GO REPESENTING / ABUSING HER JEHOVAH LIKE THAT!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...+ FOR SOME REASON "I" JUST CAN'T PICTURE THE MUSLIMS IN TEH MIDDLE-EAST SIDING WITH EITHER SIDE OF TH EAMERICAN NOI'S ARGUMENT SOME HOW AND FOR SOME REASON AS I JUST SAID. (NUP/SMILE)...
BUT TIS IS FOR ANOTHER DAY...ANOTHER BLOG...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS IS DARK WITH SHORT KINKY AND ONE IS LIGHT SKINEDWITH LONG STRAIGHT HAIR....THEY BOTH TURNED DARKER AS THEY AGES...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, I MADE SURE I WROTE THE SITES DOWN AND AS I NEVER TURN DOWN A CHANCE TO HEAR MINISTER FARRAKHAN IN A DIALOGUE, I WILL SURELY WATCH IT AT ONE OF MY FRIENDS WIT HIGH SPEED ONE DAY...
@ BUSY BEE, SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP MANDELA AS HAM IN TEH BIBLE OF TH EMAJORITY ELIGION IS SOUTH AFRICA USED HAM TO KEEP (AND STILL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT) KEEP BLACK SOUTH AFRICA IN SLAVERY UNDER THE NAME OF A. AND MY THANKS TO TOSE 'WHITES WHO PAID FOR MANDELA'S LAW SCHOOL DEPLOMA AS WELL AND TIME ALWAYS BEING ON THE SIDE OF FREEDOMS BY ANY MEANS NECESARY, ESPECIALLY FROM ORGANIZED RELIGIONS FEARS OF GOING TO HELLUNDER WHAT NAME I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TH EDIFFERNCE AS IT IS ALL FOR TH ESAME PURPOSE TO INSLAVE FREE WILL OF SEL F RESPECT ANDLOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (S-M-I-L-e)...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!FROM ALL SIDES(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
QUESTION FOR A-L-L, EXCEPT ME AS WE NDB AND DIEST SEE ALL AS EQUAL OR NATURAL...
WHEN YOUR PLACES FOR WORSHIP (F THEY CHOOSE TO DEMEAN) JASON COLLINS'S BEING JAY COMES UP WILL THEY BE FAR IF THEY LEAVE OUT THE PART OF HIS GRANDMOTHER'S ADVICE T HIM TO NOT COME OUT AS HE IS GOING TO BE OPENING HIMSELF TO THE DISCRIMINATION SHE FACED IN THE 60S?...
WHICH IS MORE ATNI- YOUR RELIGIOUS PRACTICE...HALVES OR WHOLE TRUTHS? SAY LIKE I LOVE MY CHILDREN BUT NOT YOURS IF THEY ARE BOTH GAY???(NUP/ SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, ANOTHER THING WE CATHOLICS LEARN IS "MOTHER MARY" IS OF TH E'HIGHEST AND NEVER SEEN AS 'LESS THAN' (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
FROM WHERE I SIT, EVERY BLACK PROFESSIONAL SPORTS FIGURE OWE ALI A DEBT OF RESPECT AND RECOGNITION BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO OPENED THE DOOR FOR THEM TO BE PAID THEIR WORTH...
HISTORY DICTATES TIS REALITY AND ALWAYS DO SO...DID TH ENOI PROPHET ANY FROM HIS NAME???????????????????????????????????? (NUP/ SMILE)...
OR DO THEY NOW REJECT BLACKS STARTING THEIR OWN BIG BUSINESS' BECAUSE ALI HAS BROUGHT IN LETS SEE HOW MUCH MONEY DOES KOBY EARN TODAY...SOMEONE GAINING THE BOXING TOP HONORS TODAy???????????...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...now one more example of every day common sense...WHAT CHANCE DOES A MEMBER OF HE NOI HAVE AGAINST OUR GOVERNMENT INREFUSING TO GO TO WAR AND BE DEFINDED BY A PUBLIC DEFENDER... HOW ABOU A JAY WALKING TICKET???????????? PLEASE!!!(NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...WALKING, DRIVING WHILE NOI AND BLACK????????????????? (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ELIJAH MOHAMMAD WAS MAYBE A LONG TIME AHEAD OF HIS TIME ON BLACKS BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER...THAT IS HOW "I" FEEL WHEN I SEE MEMBERS FO THE NOI ON THS SITE BEATING UP ON EACHOTHER FOR FREE AS IN NOT MONEY BUT THE RIGHT TO BE HOW THEY ARE...
ALI WAS A BOXER AND FOR A PERSONAL REASON OR THAT IS WHAT I GOT FROM HIS SPEAKING ABOUT HIS BIKE. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC IN KEEPING WITH THE WISDOM OF YOUR GRANDFATHER IS RELATED TO SOMETING I MIGHT PUT ON THE NEW BLOG' SEGRAGATION AND WHY IT IS SO VITAL FOR THE POWERS THAT BE TO LEAVE IT UP TO US TO CONQUOR OUR OWN SELVES BY WAY OF IGNORING ELDERS LIKE THEY ARE SEPERATE ENTITIES FROMSAY OUR RELIGIOUS TEACINGS..examples,
OUR FAMILY MAKE UP IS BEFORE RECORDED HISTORY AND BETTER SEEN IN NOTICE HOW WITH HE FAILUAR OF US NOT TURNING ON TEH BLACK MOTHER FIGURE TH POWERS TAHT BE NOW TURN ON THEIR OWN FEMALES...LOOK AT HOW THEY EVENTHROW OUT THEIR OWN BIBLE TEACHINGS BECAUSE FROM THE KKK TO RAND PAUL NOW SO DESPERATE TO DEFEATA WHITE SINGLE MOHER IN SOUTH CAROLINA HE HAS JUST SIDED WITH SANFORD RUNING AS AS A SERIAL ADULTURER AND A DEAD BEAT DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
THE TEAPART LIKE THE KKK WILL NEVER BE CALLED ANTI-CHRIST, TERRORIST OR RADICAL CHRISTIAN AT LEAT NOT RIGHT NOW...BUT JUST AS LADY JUSTICE IS BLIND...SHE IS A 'LADY' AND APATIENT LADY...AND, PLEASE TRUST WHY WE HAVE ELDERS BECAUSE BY 2016 (AND AS DR. KING SAID. I MAY NOT MAKE IT THEE WITH YOU" (S-M-I-L-E)...
BUT BY THEN CALLING ON DOD IN VAIN, RUNNING POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AS BEING SENT TO DO SO BY GOD, AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION, CHRISTIAN FAMILY VALUE WILL NOT BE FRONT AND CENTER BECASUE WE WILL HAVE COME TO REALIZE WHO TH EMAJORITY RACE IN AMERICA IS...
AND LIKE WE HAVE 2 DIFFERENT BIA HISTORYS...WE ALSO HAVE 2 DIFFERENT 'SEGRAGATIONS'...WE ACCORDING TO OURS AND ANY OTHER CULTURE WILL SELF SEGRAGATE AS WE ALWAYS HAVE DONE AND ALWAYS WILLHAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE...AND TO BETTER EXPLAIN IT...OUR CULTURE FOOD DOES NOT CENTER ON MEXICAN NOR GERMAN FOODS BUT WHEN AND IF WE CHOSE TO D SO WE EAT AN D ENJOY IT AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT AS WELL, AS MUCH IF IT IS FORCED ON US !!!...
RIGHT OW S.C HAS A CHOICE AN ADULTURER COMINGIN THE NAME OF GOD OR A SINGLE MOTHER RERESENTING SHE CAN DO IT ALL ON HER OWN AS TIS IS IN OUR FUTURE, READY OR NOT BECAUSE AMERICA IT SELF IS NOW APPROCIATING DOING SOME TING WE BROUGHT WITH US FROM MOTHER AFRICA...
THE FEMAL IS NOT JUST A s*x OBJECT, SERVANT OR DEPENDANT ON MAN...CAN ANYONE SAY..."E-V-E" HAS COME FULL CIRCLE (WELL I JUST HAD TO THROW THAT ONE IN)BUT THIS IS ONLYHUMAN BEHAVIOR AS SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND NOT ONRELIGIOUS/ SOCIAL RULES /REGULATIONS...WE HAVE ELDERS AS HEY COME EQUIPED AS MAJORS OF LIFE EXPERIENCES NOT THE LATEST NEED TO CREAT A NEW BELIEF BASED OF ANGER, FEAR OR HATE BUT A-L-L OF THESE...(SMILE)
LOV YA A-L-L...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
DID CHATEL SLAVERY ALLOW: 1. EQUALITY OF WOMEN... 2.FREEDOMOF RELIGION... 3. PELPLE TO BE THE BEST THEY COULD OR WAS IT A SOCIETY OF 'LESS THAN'/'BETTER THEN'...REWORD FOR BLIND OBEDIANCE / PUNISHMENTS FOR FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, THOUGHT...
"I" NOW REST MY CASE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE CONTROOL OVER OUR OWN LIVES EVEN TO COMMIT SUCIDE AS A FORM OF RESISTIANCE TO ANY FORM OF OUT SIDE CONTROL OVER BEING TH EBEST PERSON ONE CAN BE...
"I AM" (S-M-I-L-E)...
AND, PLEASE STAY TUNED TO MY NEXT BLOG ABOUT TO BE POSTED FOLLOWING THIS COMMENT..LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
BEING THE ONLY CHILD MY MOM HAD AND THE OLDEST OF THE MILLION HAD BY MY FATHER AND BABY SITTER T OMANY OF THEM...I HAD ALWAYS SAID I DON'T CARE HOW MANY CHILDREN I HAD AS LONG AS THEY WERE MANY, MANY YEARS APART AND SO GLAD THEY DID NOT ALLOW MY HUSBAND IN TH LABOR ROOM BECAUSE AFTER BITING THE NURSES HAND FO RPUTTING IT OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM YELLING OUT IN PAIN, I WOULD HAVE THEN KILLED MY HUSBND FOR HELPING CAUSE ALL OF THA TPAIN...IN PREMATURE LABOR THEY CAN'T GIVE ANY PAIN MEDS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE NEW BORN ACTIVE WHENIT HITS THE OUT SIDE WORLD.LOL!!!...
I AM SO GRATEFUL WE FOR GET TOSE PAINS...AND, IF YOUR COUSIN WAS THAT INSECURE IT IS A BLESING SHE HAD NO CHILDREN...CHILDREN NEED A STRONG WOMAN'S HAND BECAUSE ONE THING THEY WILL BE YELLING UNTIL THE DAY THEY DIE WHEN IN TROUBLE IS, "M................O........................M!!! LOL!!! (SMILE)...LETS NOT FORGET WHY WE HAVE TO REMIND THEM EVERY NOW AND THEN WHY WE ALLOW THEM TO BELIEVE THEY RULE THE WORLD.(OTFL)...
BY AGE 40 THEY START TO GO FOR THE YOUNGER FEMALE...I WONDER IF AN UNCONSCIOUS NEED TO RETURN TO THE WOMB...AM I JOKING OR AM I SERIOUS...YOU BE TH EJUDGE...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@A.B. IS IT ARGUING IN CIRCLES TO SAY ONE WILL NOT BE REJECTED IF NOT A BELIEVER ( ALMOST AT TH EEND OF YOUR LAST COMMENT TO DOC?...COULD YOU PLEASE CLAIRFY AT LEAST FO RME? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. WHAT IS A MENTAL SLAVE IF NOT ONE WHO REJECTS OUTOF HANDS ANY BELIEFS TAHT THEIR OWN PEOPLES ARE HUMAN BEINGS WITH THE POWERS TO TEACH OTHERS. EXAMPLE TO BELIEVE OVER WRITTEN TH EMAN'S DOCUMENTATIONS AND YUR OWN PEOPLES TAHT WE WERE FIRST BROUGHT TO AMERICA NOT AS SLAVES BUT AS PAID TEACHERS ON TEACING THE 'AMN' HOW TO TURN THE SWAMPS OF GA AND S.C INTO LNDS FOR THE CULTIVATIONS OF RICE IS BEYOND PITY FOR DENYING YOUR OWN PEOPLE CAME TO AMERICA AS FREE...O H AND BECAUSE MOTHE AFRICA HAD CITY STATES AND THE MUSLIMS THE SECOND AFTER EGYPT TEH GREATEST EMPIRES THEN KNOWN T MAND KIND MEAN IN MOTHE AFRICA THERE WERE CITY STATES AND MOST OF TH E'SLAVES' BROUGHT FROM MOTHE AFRICA WERE SLAVES OR OUR OWN PEOPLES WHITH OUR OWN SELLING THEM...BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THEIR SLAVERY IS WE WER BELIEVED TO BE MEMBERS OF TH EHUMAN RACE AND CULD RISE FROM SLAVERY TO EVEN BECOMING KINGS AND QUEENS ANSD NOT PROPERT FROM BIRTH TO DEATH!!!...MAKING CLAIMS OF TRUTH TRUMPTS FACTS AND ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PUROSES IS ACTUALLY WHAT HAS A LOT OF US BELIEVING WE AE NOT EQUAL NOT JUST S MALES BUT AS FEMALES THEN AS WELL AS NOW...IS NOT LIMITED TO BEING SHIITI OR SUNNI NOT IN AMERICA!!!(NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
FACTS: EGYPT FOR RECOGNIZING STUDY OR THE STARS COULD CAUSE FARMINGS INT O TOWNS THEN KINGDOME...THE MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IN THE STARS (AISA AND NAVATION BY STARS) AND FROM BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL THE PLANET TO OUR NOW BEING TO TRAVEL TO OTHER PLANETS...
OOPS SOME RELIGIONS TEACHS T ONOT BELIEVE INMAN HAVING ANY THING TO DO WITHIT...AND, YES WHY I AM BIASED TOWERDS WOMEN UNTIL WE FIND ANOTEHR WAY TO GET HERE WITHOUT HER BODY.LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..."I" WILL NOW LEAVE YOU IN PEACE AND WHEN YU CAN 'PROVE' YU HAVE A RELIGION SO POWERFUL TO GET HERE BY YOUR CREATOR AND NOT TH ELOWLY FEMALE...I SHALL BE BACK AND SHUT UP ABOUT THE MIGHTY FEMALE SPECIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)...HELL I WILL EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THIS POWER OF HERS SI A-B-O-S-O-L-U-T AND LOGIOC HAS A BAN ON THEWORD ABOSOLUT. (ROTFL)(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..."I" WILL NOW LEAVE YOU IN PEACE AND WHEN YU CAN 'PROVE' YU HAVE A RELIGION SO POWERFUL TO GET HERE BY YOUR CREATOR AND NOT TH ELOWLY FEMALE...I SHALL BE BACK AND SHUT UP ABOUT THE MIGHTY FEMALE SPECIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)...HELL I WILL EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THIS POWER OF HERS SI A-B-O-S-O-L-U-T AND LOGIOC HAS A BAN ON THEWORD ABOSOLUT. (ROTFL)(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. I AM ONE WHO DON'T TAKE SIDES AND I HAVE NO REASON TO DO SO...WHAT I SAY CAN BE FOUND IN ANY BIA HISTORY DEPT ANY PLACE IN HE USA...OH AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS...SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR AFTER HOW LONG NOW, YOU HAVE NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT I SAY...NOT TO WORRY ROBERT DOES IT ALL TH ETIME...BUT OSME HOW HE MANAGES TO COMMUNICATEWHAT IT IS HE JAS IN RESPONSE TO ME...
I DON'T HAVE TO SAY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IF I DID I WOULD OT BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU...I SEE ALL AS INBALANCE AND NOW TO BLANCE YOU SAYING BEFORE I WAS SMART WHEN YOU AFTEED WITH ME NOW IS BALANCED WITH YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I SAY...OR MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE TO BE HERE FOR MANY YEARS LIKE MOST SO YOU CAN GET TO BETTER KNOW ME...I DON'T TAKE SIDES NOR DO I CHANGE ACCORDING TO EMOTIONS BECAUSE FACTS NEVER CHANGE AND CAN BE TESTED AND RETESTED...
FOR EXAMPLE BIA HISTORY IS NOT A RELIGION...IT IS A F-A-C-T. (S-M-I-L-E)...AND SINCE THE SITE IS FOR DIALOGUING I CAN DO SO WITHOUT CALLING NAMES AND TIS IS WHY THE ADMINISTRATION OFFERS A BLOCK TO THE AUTHOR OF BLOGS...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, HOPEFULLY A.B. I HAVE NOT MISLEAD YOU INTO THINKING I FOR ONE MOMENT "I" THOUGHT YOU WERE A RELIGION... I TOOK YOU THE SAME WAY I TAKE EVERYONE ON A SOCIAL MEDIA AS SOMEONE TO COMMUNICATE WITH, I AM NOT SEEKING AN EXTENTION OF ME TO MAKE ME A WHOLE PERSON...LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, HOPEFULLY A.B. I HAVE NOT MISLEAD YOU INTO THINKING I FOR ONE MOMENT "I" THOUGHT YOU WERE A RELIGION... I TOOK YOU THE SAME WAY I TAKE EVERYONE ON A SOCIAL MEDIA AS SOMEONE TO COMMUNICATE WITH, I AM NOT SEEKING AN EXTENTION OF ME TO MAKE ME A WHOLE PERSON...LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOW "I" MUST MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO YOU A.B. BALANCE TO ME IS
" CAUSE" :YOU HAD NO COMLAINT ABOUT ANY THING I HAD TO SAY WHEN YOU TOOK IT "I" WAS AGREEING WITH YOU...
"EFFECT" : YOU NOW SEE ME AS INDISAGREEMENT WITH YOU AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTND ANY THING I SAY...
IT TO ME IS ONLY SURVIVAL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY / THE FIRST NATURAL LAW OF "H-U-M-A-N BEHAVIOR". (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE CORREST ABOUT A BLOG COMING ON BUT ONE ABOUT A SURPRISE AND DISAPPOINTMENT I GOT ON THE LAST WORD ABOUT RON PAUL. (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@HARRY NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN HOW WE DID NOT COME HERE OUT OF THIN AIR...SO GLAD YOUR GOD TOLD YOU ALL OF THIS NOT TWO DAYS AFTER ME BRINGING IT UP TO YOU...SEE HARRY WHY BRIDE IS MY PROPHET? (ROTFLMAO)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, ALEX HALEY AUTHOGRAPHED MY BOOK OF HIS ON MALCOM X...GOT IT FROM THE BIA STUDY DEPT. IN OUR BOOK STORE AT UCD.(OTFL)...
STEVE WILL ONE DAY POST HALEY'S PICTURE IN OUR LECTURE ROOM FOR ME AS WELL. (SMILE)...
GOOD LUCK DOC. SINCE WE WANT PART OF YOUR GRADES AS ALWAYS.LOL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THAT IS ONE THING ABOUT UNITY ALEX HALEY CAME BY BECAUSE HE WAS A FRIEND OF OUR PROFESSORS BUT WHEN THE ETHNIC DEPT. WANT SOMEONE POWERFUL AND FAMOUS THEY ALL POOL DEPT FUNDS AND CLUB FUNDS TOGATHER AND GET THE MONEY TO INVITE THEM...IT IS ONLY ONE PERSON WE WANTED AT UCD FOR OUR BLACK HISTORY WEEK AND COULD OT GET...IT WAS MINISTER FARRAKHAN AND IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS OT THE FUNDS BUT THE UNIVERSITY SAID THEY COULD NOT AFFORD THE SECURITY IT WOULD TAKE...SO SINCE THERE IS MORE WAYS TO SKIN A CAR...YOU GET HIM TO SPEAK IN OAKLAND...
IF THER IS ONE THING TIS STATE DON'T WANT IT IS TO UPSET UC BERKELY. (OTFLMAO) (SMILE)...LORD CAN HE MAN SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!...AND HELL NO WHEN IT COMES TO FARRAKHAN DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE WHO SAYS BLACK ONLY.LOL!!!IT IS IMPOSSIABLE...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. YOU MAY LIKE TO CHECK YOUR OWN WORDS ON YOUR OWN BLOG...BUT, AS AI SIAD YOU MAY HAVE TO BECOME LIKE OTHERS ON THE SITE GET TO KNOW ME OVER A FEW YEARS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ACCEPT I DON'T CHANGE WITH EVER THEME, COMMENT, ECT....I AM FOR BALANCE, ECT. (SMILE)...I DON'T TAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS PERSONALLY ONLY AS DIALOGUE...AS IN ALLOWING ALL SIDE HAVE A SAY ME, "I" DO SO 'OBJECTIVELY...(SMILE)...
NOW IF YOU A.B. TAKE THE TIME TO GO REREAD WHAT I SAID IN AN OBJECTIVE WAY THEN MAYBE YOU CANBETER UNDERSTAND WHY I SAID YOUR OWN WORDS ON YOUR OWN BLOG, NOT MINES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. SO GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT MY USING CAPITAL LETERS ALL THE TIME...NOW A.B. I WILL ANSWER YOU AS SOON AS YOU ASK YOUR FELLOW MUSLIM 'AALE' TH SAME QUESTION AGAIN ON YOUR OWN BLOG...
NOW AGAINA.B. I REALIZE THAT QUESTION IS ALSO A PART OF YOUR SUVIVAL OR YOU MALE/ SUPERIOR ATRTITUED LIMITED TO VAILED INSULTS,SO I SHALL ANSWER YOU IN AN ADULT, OBJECTIVE WAY...
"I" AM ON A SOCIAL WEBSITE WHERE I HAVE CHOSEN TO BE DIFFERENT SO I WRITE TIS WAY...
"I" AM ON A WEBSITE WHERE THE CREATORS, THE OWNERS, THE ADMINISTRATION, AND OUT OF ALL ON THE SITE ONLY YOU AND ROBERT SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT...AND HERE YOU AND ROBERT ARE DIFFERENT AS HE CALLS IT EBONICS AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT THEN PLEASE CONTACT THE OWNERS, ADMINISTRATION, MY 138 ON MY FRIEND LIST AND PROTEST OR AT LEAST FOR YOUR SAKE STOP TRYING TO BE SO SNEAKY IN YOURINSULTS AS IT IS BACKFIRING AND NOT MAKING YOUR RELIGIOUS FAITH LOOK TO GOOD AT THIS POINT AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO 'FREEDOM OF CHOICE, THOUGHT AND WHY I STILL AM WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER A FEW QUEATIONS ON TIS BLOG AND OVER ON YOUR BLOG!!!
EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! (S-M-I-L-E)...
A.B...."I" AM NOT THE ONE YOU WANT TO STAND ON THEIR BACK TO MAKE YOU TALLER. (ROTFLMPROUD BLACKFEMALEAO)...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOW AS A NDB, WE BELIEVE THAT NO ONE KNOWS EVERY THING SO NEVER STOP TRYING TO LEARN ALL YOU CAN...SO HERE IS WHA T"I" MEAN BY 'ARGUMENT' AS I ALWAYS COME FROM THE 'CRITICAL THINKING POINT OF VIEW...
ARGUMENT : STATE YOUR PRIMISE AND THAN BACK IT UP...NOT STATE A PRIMISE AND BACK IT UP BY THROWING IN EVERY THING BUT THE KICHEN SINK AND IF THIS DON'T WORK THEN START HURLING INSULTS AND IF THESE DON'T WORK THEN THROWN IN RELIGION...
AGAIN "I" CHALK IT IN AS HUMAN BEHAVIOR ACCORDING TO THE FIRS T LAW OF 'MOTHER NATURE' (ANOTHER FEMALE.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. ANYONE WITHOUT EGO IS ONE WITHOUT NATURAL MENTAL, PHYSICAL POWERS. EXAMPLE, MY EGO IS SO HIGH ON I WANT TO LIVE UNTIL WHEN I AMHUNGRY I GO EAT...MY EGO SAYS, i AM TOO IMPORTANT TO STARVE TO DEATH...AS IN LOGIC BECAUSE EMOTIONS DICTATES I CAN OVER CME AND CONTROL HUNGER AND ACTUALLY ENJOY AND FEEL BLESSED OVER IT IF IT IS FOR MY FAITH'S RULES AND REGULATIONS...
AGAIN COMING FROM A CRITICAL TINKING VIEW POINT / DIALOGUE VIEW POINT AS BOTH ALLOW BOTHE SIDES TO HAVE A SAY AND BOTH AS IN BEING ABLE TO STEP INTO THE OTHR'S SIDE'S POINT OF VIEW OFFERS "B-A-L-A-N-C-E"...
EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!AS IN UNITY CAN BE ACHIEVED OVER: FEAR, HATE PREJUCIDE (AS IN IGNORANCE) (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. IT WAS YOU WHO CHOSE TO GIVE ME A NEW ID...AND AS ONE WHO BELIEVE EACH INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN BEHAVIORS IF YOU CHOSE TO START TO GIVE ME AND ID TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS I ASK OF YOU THEN IT IS ON YOU TO PUT AN END TO SOMETING YU YOUR OWN SELF STARTED...SINCE "I" HAVE NOT SPENT MY 70 YEARS OF LIFE WAITING FOR YOU TO DO THIS VERY THNG A.B. back (ROTFLMPROUDBLACKFEMALEAO) (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
QUESTION...
THE LATEST NEWS ON TEHBOSTON BOMBINGSD IS THERE HAS BEEN 3 MORE ARREST...NOW SINCE IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT REPORTS I HAVE HEARD SO FAR EXCUSES ARE BEING GIVEN RELATED TO THOSE ARRESTED...SOMY QUETION IS ANYONE WILLING TO BET THIS INVESTIGATION IS LEADING OUT SIDE OF THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY? (NUP/SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. "I" DO SO RESPECT YOU SAYING YOU WILL STOP COMMUNICATING WITH ME THAN DOING JUST THE OPPOSIT...AND IF YOU CHOSE TO ACT AS IF I HAVE NOT SAID ONE WORD ABOUT MY COMING FROM "CRITICAL THINKING" AS WELL AS MY SAYING ABOUT A BOOK ON 'CRITICAL TINKING' THEN IT IS ON YOU A.B. NOT ME TO CHOOSE BEHAVIORS TAHT MAKE YOU SSAFE, SECURE AND THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN BE IS NOT ON ME...
AND IF YOU DON'T CHOSE TO CHANGE MY ID IN TIS COMMENT...
A.B. IF YOU NOTICE THE ABOVE COMMENT FROM E (WITHOUT CHANGING IT) "I" HAVE MOVED ON AS ALSO RELATED TO THE BLOG THEME. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AS DIRECT FROM A LESSON IN 'CRITICAL THINKING'...
MY FATHER THE ALCOHOLIC WARNS ME AGAINST DRINKING SI ONLY BECAUSE HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT ME FROMSUCH PAIN HE IS GOING THROUGH OVER THE LOSS OF CONTROL OF HIS OWN LIFE...COMIONG FROM AN EMOTIONAL, WHAT WILL THE JONES THINK OF ME, I MUST SHOW CONTEMPT FOR MY FATHER OVER RULING HE WAS A PART OF MY VERY EXISTANCE. (S-M-I-L-E)...
KIND OF LIKE MY BEING WRONG FOR HAVING RESPECT FOR THE SUNNI AND SHIITI MUSLIMS, ISN'T IT?...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...UPDATE ON THE 3 ARRESTED STUDENTS IS ONE IS AN AMERICAN...AND, SINCE ONE OF THE BOSTON BOMBERS WAS ALSO AN 'AMERICAN' AND ACCORDING TO OUR SOCIALNORMS...
WHAT TWO WORDS/CLASSIFICATIONS DO YOU BELIEVE WILL FOLLOW...
"AMERICAN"?!? (NUP) THEY BELIEVE IN A FEW HOURS THE THREE WILL BE IN COURT WITH THE CHARGES READ...NO CALLS FOR HOLDING THEM AS ENEMY COMBATANTS BY POLITICIANS, "I" WONDER WHY???????????????????...LOL!!OR SHOULD I BE CRYING OVER TIS IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY OF MY BIRTH? (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UP DATE ON THE THREE ARREST RELATED TO THE BB...FOX AND CNN THE VERYONE FIRST UP AS IDING THE BBERS AS BLACKMALES, "I" BELIEVE HAVE NOW OUT DONE THEMSELVES...MEGYN LELLY LIVE@FOX &CNNNEWSROOM NOW SAY THEY KNOW AND HAVE PICTURES OF TH EMUSLIMS ALONG ITH THEIR LIVES SINCE BRITH INCLUDING HOW ONE OF THEM WENT TO N.Y. WITH TH EOLDEST BB AND THEY HAVE NO ID ON THE THIRD ARRESTED MALE EXCEPT HE IS AN 'AMERICAN...
MSNBC IS SAYIN GONLY TWO OF TH EARRESTED WILL BE COMING BEFORE THE COURT IN A 1/2 HOUR ...CNN SAYS IT WILL BE INONE HOUR. (S-M-I-L-E)...
"I" ADMIT ON A PERSONAL I AM CHANTING(PRAYING) THAT I AM CORRECT ON THE THIRD ARRESTED BEING AMERICAN, WHITE AND CHRISTIAN...AND I DO SO MAINLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE DARKSKIN DOES MAKE YOU LESS DEAD NOR YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND OUR SOCIETY IS NOT GOOD FOR BRING PEACE AND GOOD WILL TO MANKIND AT A-L-L...
LOV YA A-L-L...
THANKS DOC FOR SPEAKING IN DEFENSE OF DIALOGING BEING TH EMAIN PURPOSE FOR SOCIAL NETWORKINGS.(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@HARRY AFTER YOU FIGURE OUT IF YOU ARE A BLACK AMERICAN AND YOU ARE TO STUPID AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE BEEN CALLING US THEN COME BACK AND RECLAIM YOUR RATIONAL FOR NOT BEING TH ESAME PROPHET OF THE SAME 'PEOPLE' THEEY REPRESENT IN THE FIRST PLACE...
NOW UNLESS HARRY CAN SAY, "I" AM TEH PROPHET TO PEOPLE WHO ARE: BRAINDEAD AND IT IS DO TO O-U-R BEING BRED NOT BORN THEN BRIDE WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUR PROPHET ON B-I-A.LOOOOOOOOOOOL (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...OOPS "I" MUST CLAIRFY..."I" DON'T CARE WHAT RACE, CULTURE THE THIRD SUSPECT IS AS LONG AS IT GETS US AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION / CONTRIBUTING TO ONLY MUSLIMS WANT TO DO HARM TO AMERICA OVER OUR 2 WARS IN THE MIDDL-EAST LIKE THE MIDDLE-EAST DON'T HAVE EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MANKIND!!! (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
LOL!!!...
MASS. IS CONSIDERED AS THE CENTER OF OUR MOST ELITE EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...AND, IT IS THIS WAY MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA BECAUE AMERICA IS NOT CLASSED AS BEING FIRST IN 'BRAIN POWER' WE ONLY HAVE "TOKEN" AMERICAN TAUGHT PROFESORS IN THESE TEACHING INSTUTION GIANTS...MOST PROFESORS ARE FROM ENGLAND...
LIVE AND LEARN. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...UPDATE...WHY WAS THERE A MEDIA NEWS BLACK OUT ON THE PRESS CONFIRANCE OF ONE OF THE ATTORYEYS????????????????????????????? (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOT TO WORRY DOC, "I" AM USE TO PEOPLE BEING MORE OF AN EXPERT ON ME THAN ME...
IT COMES AUTOMATIC WITH THE I AM BETTER THAN YOU ARE ANY WAY.LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
+ I NOW HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS I HAVE BEEN SEEKING ALL DAY ON THE 'AMERICAN ARRESTED TODA IN THE BOSTON BOMBINGS ISSUE...THE AMERICAN IS A CHRISTIAN...I HAVE JUST POSTED A BLOG ON THIS (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME STILL BEING STUCK AT "YE MAY DISLIKE AS A THING" AND CAN PUT THIS INTO IT IS TRUE NO WOMAN HAS EVER COMMITTED MURDER OF HER HUSBAND AND BEENSENT TO A MUSLIM PRISON IN AMERICA THEN PLEASE MOVE TO THE HEAD OF THE MAN'S WORLD CLASS WHERE MAN GOT THERE WITHOUT THEFEMALE'S BODY...AND THANKS TO SCIENCE FOR TAKING THIS MATTER SO SERIOUSLY WOMAN CAN NOW GIVE BIRTH WITHOUR BEING IN A MAN'S BED ???????????????... OOPS BUT IT IS TOO BAD THOW DUE TO THIS AS A FACT THE MUSLIMS WILL BECOME EXTINCT IN SAY ABOUT ---YEARS FROM NOW JUST LIKE HE DRAGON IS IN TH REAL WORLD A MYTH...AS FACTS LIKE TODAY A WOMAN CNA CHOOSE THE DESIGNED DNA OF HER CHILD EVEN DOWN TO THE s*x OF THE CHILD AND THE MALWS SHOULD KNNOW BY NOW THE FEMALE CAN HOLD A GUDGE FOR FOR EVER AND MAY CHOSE TO NOT EVAN HAVE A MALE IN HER HOME AT ALL IN THE FUTURE...THEY DO HEAD BIG BUSINESS AND AN EVEN STOP THEM BEINGHIRED IF SHE SHOSESD TO DO SO...LOL...WAKE UP MALES BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE...RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A CHOICE...
AND, KIND OF FUNNY HOW THECAMODIA DRAGON IS SO TIED WITH THE ISLAND WHERE THE MYTH OF EVOLUTION WAS USED TO RPOVE TEHTHEORY OF SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST BY DAWIN AND WHY WE SHOULD NEVER ALLOW FACTS LIKE SAY FOR EXAMPLE THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT, "I AM" NEVER, EVER STAND IN OUR WAY. back (ROTFL) (SMILE)...AND HOW BLESSED IAM THAT SOME CAN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD I SAY...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, WHY DOES SOMETHING I JUST READ MADE ME THINK OF SLAVERY...
A GOOD PRICE HAS BEEN PAID FOR YOU TO HAVE THE GREAT PRIVLAGE OF HAVING THIS FEMALE BUT IF SHE DISPLEASES YOU YOU HAVE THE 'CREATORS' BLSSINGS TOBEAT HER A 'LITTLE'...NOW JUST A LITTLE BECAUSE REMEMBER IF YOU DO TOOMCUH HARM SHE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO YOURH OUSE WORK FOR FREE AND EITHER YOU WILL HAVE TO DOIT OR PAY SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU!!!!...D-U-H...
OH WELL...THAT'S LIFE SOME CHOOSE AS THE WAY TO BE THE BEST PERSON THEY CAN BE'...DOING SOMEONE ELSES BIDDINGS EVEN A 'CREATOR' S NAME NO MATTER THE LABEL FO RME TO WELCOM ABUSE MENAAL/ PHYSICAL...
I REFUSE TO DO AT MY OWN EXPENCE AS I WILL NOT OBEY BLINDLY, PERIOD AS ONLY "I" KNOW WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY, SAFE AND SECURE NO MATTER WHAT NAME IT, MAN, WOMAN, CHILD, PERSON, PLACE, THING IT COMES UNDER HE NAME OF. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. "I" AGREE WITH YOU AND I ALSO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD AS A RACE STRAT WORK ON OUR OWNSELVES FIRST...FIRST START PROMOTING THE MOTHER FIGURE AS A VITAL ROLE IN TH EFAMILY AS IN RAISING THE CHILDREN AND IN A STARING ROLE...BECAUSE THAT SELF FULLFILLIN GPROPHECY ABOUT OUR BLACK MEN IS GOIING TO FOREVER WORK AGAINST US...
i SHALL REPEAT, ANY EXCUSE WORKS A S LONG AS WE ARE TAUGHT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR OWN LIVES!!! WHICH MEANS IF TH EFATHER IS NT IN TH EHOME SO THIS IS WHY I FALIED MYOWN SELF OR IF IT IS ALLAH OR GOD IT DOES NOT MATTER...ANY AND ALL ADDICIONS NEED A SOURCE OF EXCUSE(S) TO CONTINUE NO MATTER ADDICTION...AND TH E MAJORITY OF AMERICA IS ADDICTED TO PREJUDICE!!! PREJUDICE ONLY SEE ONES SIDE THEREFORE NEEDS NO REASON TO EXIST IN THE I AM BETER THAN YOU...YOU AEWRONG AND I AM RIGHT WORLD THAT CHANGES WITH EVERY SECOND. AND YET REMAINS TH ESAME!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
SPEAKING ONLY FOR ME...
THE FATHER NOT IN TH EHOME, ALLAH NOT IN THE HOME, CHRIST NOT IN THE HOME IS ONLY ONE MORE ...JUST FILL IN THE BLANK RIGHT BEFORE THE "NOT IN THE HOME" ...
"I AM A FAILUAR IN", AGAIN A FILL IN TH BLANK ALSO AND FOR THE SAME REASON.(NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ME, SINCE "I" BELIEVE IN STOPING WHEN I AM AHEAD, I WILL NOW STOP...BECAUSE THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THE NOI THE LESS I BELIEVE A NOI EXIST THAT IS BEYOND A CONTINUOUS BATTLE GROUND FOR LEADERSHIP/ WHO BELIEVES WHAT, WHEN AND HOW LIKE A FORM OF 'SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND TEH TRUE NOI"(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
WHO KNOWS MAYBE ALL GOT MIXED UP WHEN MATE GOT TURNED INTO MATES AND IF THERE IS ONE TING THAT IS TRUE IT IS TH EBRAIN REQUIRES THINGS T O MAKE SENSE TO IT!!!BUT THEN ALL BRAINS ARE DIFFERENT...SOME BRAINS ACCEPT BEING LESS THAN AND SOME DON'T!!!...ME I NEVER SPEND TIME BELIEVING I CN LIVE MORE LIVES THAN MY OWN..SO IF "I" CNA USE SOMETHING IN MY DAILY LIFE I ALLOW IT AND IF NOT I REJECT IT, MY ONE GOAL INLIFE IS INNER PEACE AND BEING TOLD I CAN, MUST, WILLNOT BE THE DECIDER OF MYOWN CHOICES MEANS I AMNOT THE ONE...I DO NOT FEAR TOMORROW AS I LIVE IN EH HEAR AND NOW TOMORROW WILL TAKE CARE OF IT SELF SO IF IT IS RAINING TOMORROW I WILL NOT SAY WELL I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE RAINING TOMORROW SO DISITE IT NOT RAINING I WILL STILL BELIEVE IT IS NOT RAINING...
AGAIN, I MUST DECIDE FOR MYOWN SELF MUCH LIKE THE TEACHINGS IF YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT TO YOUR OWN SATISFACTION THEN DO IT YOUR OWNSELF...
@DAVID HOW DID THAT ESPERSSION OF YOURS GO...WHAT YOU EAT DON'T MAKE ME **** OR IS IT TH EOTHER WAY AROUND...ANOTHER ONE YOU USED A FEW YEARS AGO WAS 'EVERYONE DON'T NEED TO SIT IN YOUR PEW OR SOMETHING LIKE TAHT BUT I DID SO LOVE THEM. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
O.K. A.B. "I" GET IT, BUT THAT DOES NOT END ON THE SITE...
"WILL THE REAL NOI STAND UP"? OR DO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE 'NOI' NOW AGREE ON ITS TEACHINGS, RULES, REGULATIONS AND I AM SOME HOW MISSING IT A-L-L?(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, GREAT AND CONGRADS... SEE, IT WAS ALL WORTH IT WASN'T IT?LOL!!!...HOW MANY MORE SEMESTERS TO GT YET?...GOING TO SUMMER CLASS? AND HOW ARE MY TWO ANGLES IN TAKING TH EBEST OF CARE OF YOU?LOL!!!(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE OLD SAYING, "REMEMBER TH ELIE AND WHO YOU TOLD IT TO"...NOW I AM NOT CALLING YOU A LIE OR TELLING TH TRUTH...BUT YOU CN CHECK YOUR OWN WORDS JUST BEFORE MY MAKING THAT STATEMENT AND SEE IF YOU CA NCONNECT YOUR SATEMENT WIT MY COMMENT...AND IT NOT THEN IT IS NO PROBLEM AS I AM SURE IT WILL NOT BE DELETED IF YOU WANT TO REREAD WHAT YOU SAID ON TIA POST...NOT YOUR POST THAT YOU EEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT YOU SAID OVER THERE AS WELL...
BUT, A.B. IS IS ALL APART OF FREE SPEECH. (SMILE)...OR IT COULD YOU WERE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND MY DIRECT COMMENT TO YU A.B., BUT THAT THIS IS JUST FINE, BECAUSE A.B. THATI S TH ELAST DIRECT STATEMENT T OYOU THAT YOU WILL NEED TO REPEAT THIS NEED ANY WAY. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(ROTFL) AS I PICTURE OUR PRESIDENT A CHRISTIAN AND RUSH LIMBAUGH AS CHRISTIAN IN A GOOD OLD CHRISTIAN HUG!!!HELL LIMBAUGH WOUOLD NOT GIVE BILLO'REILLY A BIG OLD HUG SO IS MUST HAVE SOMETING TO DO WHITH THESE PEOPLE MAKING CHOICES AS "INDIVIDUALS" NOT RELIGION AT ALL. (SMILE)
I AM SO GRATEFUL WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD AND DO NOT BURN PEOPLE AT THE STAKE OR PUT THEM INTO SLAVERY OVER THEIR BELIEVEING IN HAVING RELIGIOUS CHOICES...AND ABOUT THESE THREATS OF DROPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO REPLACE THE BURNINGS AT THE STAKE...I DON'T WORRY BECAUSE NO ONE WILL BE LEFT TO BRAG ABOUT IT OR COMPALIN ABOUT BETTER THEN, LESS THAN ANY WAY....THERE WILL BE PEACE AND QUIET (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, "I' LIVE FOR THE DAY ROBERT SAY YOU TEACH HIS FAITH 'CORRECTLY"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE, WHY IS ROBERT ON TH ESITE SEEKING OTHERS TO AGREE WITH HIM IN BRINING DOWN A MYTH AS MINISTER FARRAKHAN CAMAIMS HE LEADS, WHAT?!?...
THANKS STEVE, BECAUSE I KNOW "I" WILL GET AN ANSWER FROM YU WITHOUT YOUR HAVING TO CHANGE ONE WORD OF MY COMMENT NOR THROW IN ALL INCLUDING TH EKITCHEN SINK TO AVOID ANSWERING MY QUESTION... AQUESTION OF ONE SENTANCE...
WHAT AMERICAN HISTORICAL ORGANIZATION DOES MINISTER FARRAKHAN SAY HE IS THE LEADER OF? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OPEN QUESTION...DOES ROBERT, A.B. AND DAVID SEE ME AS THEIR EQUAL ?!?..."I" AM A FEMALE, A NDB ,BUT THEY ARE NOT...AND AS I AM HUMAN AND THEY ARE HUMAN...I SEE ALL THREE OF THEM AS MY 'EQUAL'. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, GREAT ON ALL CASES, ESPECIALLY ON YOU WILL BE GETTING A BREAK FOR A CHANGE...ANY VACATION PLANED THIS YEAR...BUT, HELL YOU LIVE IN FL. AND FL. IS A VACATION SPOT ALL ON ITS OWN.LOL!!!(SMILE)...
"I" COULDN'T PUT YOU AND STEVE IN MY LITTLE 'EQUAL' SURVEY BEING YOUR CATOLIC BACK GROUND AND STEVE'S DIEST THAT WOULD ONLY OPEN UP ANOTHER WAR. (ROTFL)...HAVE YOU FOUND YOU ANSWER TO YOUR SIEBRA...DRESS OR NON DRESS, YET...??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????...OR JUST THE POLITICALLY CORRECT KITCHEN SINK JOB...?...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(LOL!!!...I JUST CAN'T HELP IT...) DAVID, WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA? back(ROTFLMAO)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(AND, I LEAVE YOU IN PEACE ROBERT BY SAYING, I KNOW I AM OFF TOPIC AND GOOD NIGHT)(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I" WONDER IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TH ESAME BORN INTO CHATEL SLAVE FEDRICK DOUGLESS WHO 'CHOSE' TO TEACH HIMSELF HOW TO 'WRITE HIMSELF OUT OF SLAVERY BECAUSE IF HE HAD NOT, ONE MORE BEATING MAY HVE KILLED HIM BECAUSE ANY ONE HE SAW 'SLIGHTELY' BEATING HIS (SINGLE) MOTHER HE WOULD SEVERLY BEAT THEM...AGAIN ALWAYS...
REMEMBER THE LIE AND WHO YOU TOLD IT TOO (EUROPEAN BIA HISTORY)BECAUSE 'FACTS' OF DOCUMENTS LEFT IN CHATEL SLAVE'S OWN HAND WRITTINGS DON'T LIE...
AGAIN IN BIA STUDY DEPTS/ LIBRARY OF CONGRESS. (SMILE)...
HONEY BEE, ME "I" SEE COLSED MIND VS OPENED MIND.LOL!!! OR A.B. VS. ROBERT VS. HARRY VS. JEN V SANTI AND LETS OT FORGET EARL BROWN AND JAMAL AS WELL A-L-L SAYING THE SAME EXACT THINGS ALONG WITH INSULTS TO BELITTLE IN AN EFFORT TO BRING DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL...LORD DO I LOVE DIALOGUE...ESPECIALYWHEN PAST, PRESENT BEHAVIORS ARE SO WELL DOCUMENTED ON THE SITE YEAR AFTER YEAR...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AS IFMY: SISTER, AUNT, COUSIN, MOTHER DON'T HAVE ANY THING IN COMMON AS MEMBER'S OF THE FEMALE SPECIES AND TH E MALE WHO DARE ELEVATE THEM TO EQUALITY/ RESPECT ... OH WELL THEY FALL OUT OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF BEING 'S-T-R-O-N-E-G!!! (N...U...P!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I" BELIEVE THE USE OF (SMILE) IS NOT ORIGINAL AT LEAST ON THIS SITE...WHEN USED BY A M-A-L-E AND IT IS TOO BAD ALL SPEACH IS FREE SPEECH...
LIKE DAVID, DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS FREE SPEECH TO USE YOUR POST TO INSULT YOU MOM AND TO LIE ON YOUR SIS? (NUP)...(SMILE) REATED BY MOM...(NUP) COMES FROM YOUR SIS...LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AND HERE IS MORE OF THAT COPY CAT BEHAVIORS OF DISRESPECT/ INSULTS...
WHO CALLS ME: MOM, IRMA, SIS,LADY (OPEN MINDS, SECURE IN OTHERS HAVING A SAY)AND WHO CALLS ME, IRMA ROBINSON (CLOSED MIND, INSECURE SEE ALL OTHERS AS A THREAT)???????????...REMEMBER, "I" STUDY PATTERNS BEHAVIORS/ RACIST CODES FOR YOU KNOW WHO.LOL!!!(SMILE)...
NDB SAYS HELL IS A STATE OF HAVING NO FREEDOMS SO ONE BELIEVES THEY MUST DISTROY SELF AND ALL AROUND THEM...SEE AND SIMULARITY IN SECURE, BEING ABLE TO LOVE AND RESPECT OTHER(THE FEMALE)S AND JUST THE OPPOSIT IN THE" MUSLIM MEN" AND SANTI?
"MUSLIM MAN'. LOV IT, LOV IT, LOV IT...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HERE IS A POEM I HAVE WHERE WHEN YOU WALK INTO MY HOME YOU SEE THESE AMONG OTHER POSITIVES "I" HAVE CHOSEN AS GREETINGS ...A PICTURE OF THE FIRST BLACK (CHRISTIAN, CLOSET MUSLIM) PRESIDENT OF THE USA...AND THIS...
"REALIZATION"
WHO AM I?...I'M AN AFRICAN WOMAN WHAT MAKES ME STRONG?...MY HERITAGE WHAT MAKES ME WEAK?...MY FEARS WHAT MAKES ME WHOLE?...MY GOD WHAT KEEPS ME STANDING?...MY FAITH WHAT MAKES ME COMPASSIONATE?...MY UNSELFISHNESS WHAT MAKES ME HONEST?...MY INTEGERITY WHAT SUSTAINS MY MIND?...MY QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE WHAT TEACHES ME ALL LESSONS?...MY MISTAKES WHAT LIFTS MY HEAD HIGH?...MY PRIDE WHAT IF I CAN'T GO ON?...NOT AN OPTION WHAT MAKES ME VICTORIOUS?...MY COURAGE TO CLIMB WHAT MAKES ME COMPETENT?...MY CONFIDENCE WHAT MAKES ME SENSUAL?...MY INSATIABLE ESSENCE WHAT MAKES ME BEAUTIFUL?...MY EVERY THING WHAT MAKES ME A WOMAN?...MY HEART WHO SAYS I NEED LOVE?...I DO WHAT EMPOWERS ME?..ME WHO AM I?...I AM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN (S-M-I-L-E)
THE AUHOROF THIS POEM TO HER I SAY WHAT "I" SAY TO A-L-L, "IF YOUR GOD (BY ANY NAME) DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MY FELLOW MAN, THEN YOUR GOD IS MY GOD."...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
JUST THINKING AS MOZELL WOULD SAY...WOULD 'MUSLIM MAN' DEMAND MYPROPERTY BE TAKEN SINCE MY HUSBAND'S DEATH WHICH LEAVES NO MALE'S NAME ON THE DEED?...AFTER ALL ONE OF THEIR MAIN QUALITIES SEEM TO BE DEFINING OTHER'S LIVES ACCORDING TO THEIR LIMITED VALUES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...OOPS, (PLEASE DON'T TELL JEN) NOT ONLY A NOW SINGLE BLACK MOTHER, BUT THE ONLY ONE WITH (NO BANK'S NAME ON IT) PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST 4 MILES.LOL!!!
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I" LAUGH OUT LOUD AND CAN FEEL SORRY AT THE SAME TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ONE 'MUSLIM MAN' ON THE SITE THAT HAS NOT ADMITTED TO BEING ...
"A BORN AGAIN MUSLIM MAN AND NOT DUE TO THE TEACHNGS OF THE QURAN BUT DUE TO CHANGING SIDES IN THE WHO IS THE ONE SIDE THAT IS GOING TO WIN THIS SUPERIORTY MIND CONTROL(?!?) WAR...THE SHIITI SIDE OR THE SUNNI SIDE...
NOT TO WORRY ABOUT CALLING ME RIGHT OR WRONG AS YOU ALL MAKE UP YOUR FACTS ACCORDING TO THE ANSWER GIVEN ON WHICH BLOG(S) ANY WAY (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@STEVE,A.B. IS NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING WITH MALES OR FEMALES...HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN PROVING HE IS LIMITED TO LISTENING TO HIS SELF TALK AT AND MAKE UP ID FOR OTHERS...LIKE I AM SURE HE HAS MADER UP HIS MIND THAT DISPITE ROBERT BY BLOOD IS WITHE THAT I LIE DISPITE MY QUOTING ROBERT DIRECT!!!BUT. AGAIN THE NDB'S DIFINITION OF BEING IN HELL!!!..
PEACE AND UNITY FOR MANKIND IS A NOBLE GOAL BUT SOME MUST BE ONLY LIMITED TO THE 'DIFFERENT IS DEFICIENT STATE OF BEING AS BEING THE BEST PERSON THEY CAN BE.(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
WHY IS IT THAT THESE BORN AGAIN MUSLIM MAN(MEN) INSIST ON OVER RULING OUR SAYING WE WILL FOLLOW ZERO OF THEM IN THEIR BIDS TO BE THE SUPREME LEADER IN DEMEANING MALCOM X BY WAY OF CONTINUING THEIR QUEST IN DIGGING THEMSELVES THIS ENDLESS PIT INSISTING WE WILL NOT FOLLOW OUR OWN CONSCIOUS ON THIS MATTER ... (NUP/SMILE)
"I" LEAVE NOW AS I GO GET ANOTHER CT SCAN TO REPORT IN MY POISON INTO MEDICINE THAT ROBERT AND SANTI INSIST I MUST NOT POST AND WHO KNOWS MAYBE NOW THEY CANHAVE AN ADDED ALIE IN...
YOU KNOW WHO. LOL!!! AGAIN ANY THING THEY CAN COME UP WITH + THE KITCHEN SINK TO STEAL MY ID. ...
BOY HOW GRATERUL I AM TO BE M-E...WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IT IS SUCH A CURSE HAVING SUCH UNWANTED/ UNACCEPTED BY ME CONTROL OVER A FEW ON THE SITE(SMILE)...
THE WORLD OF ANGER : IN THE STATE OF'ANGER' AWARENES OF EGO EMERGES, BUT IT IS A SELFISH, GREEDY, DISTORTED EGO, DETERMINED TO BEST OTHERS AT ALL COST AND SEEING EVERYTHING AS A POTENTIAL THREAT TO ITSELF. IN THIS STATE WE VALUE ONLY OURSELVES AND TEND TO HOLD OTHERS IN CONTEMPT. WE ARE STRONGLY ATTACHED TO THEIDEA OF OUR OWN SUPERIORITY AND CANNOT BEAR TO ADIMIT ANYONE EXCEEDS US IN ANY THING...
NDB HAS 10 DIFFERENT STATES OF BEINGS OR WORLDS AND ANGER IS THE 4TH WORLD...AND BECAUSE LIFE IS A PROCESS WE JUMP IN AND OUT OF EACH WORLD AT ANY GIVEN TIME. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, NO I DOUBT ANY FEMALE PHAROH FEMALE WOULD EVER TAKE PART IN THE KILLING OF ALL FIRST BORN AND EVEN THE GREATEST OF MALE PHAROHS RAMSIS ALLOWED HIS WIFE AN EQUAL SAY...
AND, HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE I SAW ON H2 ABOUT WHAT SCIENTIST WHO TRACE SOCIAL CULRURE VIA CARBON DATING THE WRITTINGS ECT. OF TIME PERIODS HAD TO SAY ABOUT ONE OF THE PLEGUES ON EGYPT...THER ARE JUST CERTAIN PARTS OF THE NURTURE IN TH EFEMALE LINES SHE WILL NOT CROSS BE ITHER CHILD OR YOURS...REMEMBR THE CHILD TO HAVE BEEN CUT INHALF BY KING SOLOMAN?...(S-M-I-L-E)
IT HAD TO DO WITH DESEASE SPREAD BY MICE ON FOOD AND HOW THE OLDEST SON WOULD BE GIVEN CERTAINPARTS OF THE BREAD FIRST THE MOST DEADLY PARTS AND THE GREATER AMOUNT OF IT...A LOT LIKE A FORM OF LSD IS TOUGHT TO HAVE CAUSED THE THINGS IN THE BEHAVIORS OF THE YOUTH DUE TO BREAD CONSUMPTIONS AND NOT WITCH CRAFT BURNINGS IN SALEM, MASS.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE IRMA IS A NONPERSON...OR IS IT IRMA HAS STEVE AS HER HUSBAND AND SHE DON'T EVEN HAVE BRAINPOWERS TO EVEN KNOW IT...BUT WHY ALLOW THE REAL WORLD TO STAND IN THE WAY OF MAKING AND ARGUMENT IN CIRCLE OR WHAT LOGIC CALLS BEGGING THE QUESTION ARGUMENT...
@ AND, AT MY SON DAVID YOU ARE A SNIVERING SNAKE FOR DENYING YOUR FATHER STEVE BECAUSE HE IS WHITE AND I AM BLACK AND ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR BLOG WITH YOUR OPEN THEME...
DIDN'T I RAISE YOU BETTER THEN THAT. (ROTFL)...OOPS MY SON IS AS BRAIN DEAD AS I AM SO WHY PUT THE BLAME ON HIM YOU SHOULD BE THANKING AND KISSING A.B.'S RING FOR EDUCATIONG YOU, IRMA...SHAME, SHAME, AHAME...
BUT WHAT DO "I" EXPECT FROM A MIND SET TAHT REQUIRES ME TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST TEH HOLY QURAN ON CUE? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NOT THAT YOU A.B. HAVE GIVEN ME ANY REASON TO BELIEVE YOU WILL ALLOW THESE TRUTH INTO YOUR LIFE...STEVE AND I BACAME FRIENDS ON THE SITE WHEN HE AND RICH CAME ON WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT WANTED BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE...EVEN ROBERT WAS A FRIEND OF STEVE'S...STEVE AND I TALKED BY PHONE WHEN I WENT EAST TO PA AND HE WAS THERE AT THE TIME...
ABOUT MAYBE 4-5 MONTH AGO I POSTED THE NDB WWW AND STEVE WENT TO IT AND LIKED WHAT HE SAW AND WANED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR BELIEVE IN 'CAUSE' AND 'EFFCT' HE NOW LIVES NEAR OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND MUSH LIKE I HAVE ATTENDED THE MOSQUE IS SACRAMENTO WITH A FRIEND WHO IS A MEMBER, STEVE MET ME AT HE CENTER ABOUT 3 MONTHS AGO...LAT SUNDAY WAS THE SECOND TIME WE MEET THERE...IT IS CALLED TRYING TO LEARN AS IN NOT BEING AFRAID OF ONES FELLOW MANKIND AS IN PREJUDICE AS IN HATING /FEARING ONES FELLOW MANKIND FOR REASONS LIKE HAIR COLOR, HIGHT, NAME, GENDER, CREED , SOCIAL STANDINGS, EDUCATION, ARE BLIND, CAN'T HEAR , PARTS OF AMERICA THEY WERE BORN, DAY OF THE WEEK, ECT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT HOW LONG AGO WAS IT I WENT BACK EAST...4-5 YEARS AGO SINCE YOU SAY "I" AM SENILE...
AND RICH HAS WRITTEN ONE OF THE BEST FICTION BOOKS ON REAL LIFE EVERY DAY SLAVERY "I" HAVE EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF READING...i CAN'T WAIT UNTIL HE FINISHS HIS BIOGRAPAHY OF PHYLIS WHITLY ON EOF OUR SLAVERY BEST POETRESS. (SMILE)...AND HOW MUCH GREATER WE ARE TO HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER'S WRITTING IN GRADE SCHOOL AS RICH IS.SO DO I ADMIT S-O-M-E MUST (AS REQUIRED) HATE RICH AND STEVE AS WELL AS OUR PRESIDENT / HIS PARENTS FOR NOT SEEING DIFFERENT IS DEFIECIENT AND HAS BEEN ABLE TO LOVE THEIR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN AND MANKIND AS WELL BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MANKIND (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
LOL!!!ANOTHER DENIAL OF THE GREATNESS OF EGYPT...UBT THIS CAN ALSO BE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE WHEN THEY BELIEVED CIVILIZATION WAS BEGUN ALONG TH ENIAL THEY TOOK EGYPT OUT OF AFRICA FOR A WHILE ON THE WORLD MAPS...BUT HOW CAN MUSLIMS BE IN DENIAL OF THE PERSIAN EMPIRE IS BEYOND ME...NOW HERE IS TH EEVERYDAY COMMONSENSE TAHT WAS LEARNED BY ME FROMSOMEONE BORN AND RAISED ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT...
HOW IN TH EHELL COULD MAN GO ONHORSE BACK BACK THEN INTO THE JUNGLES TO GATHER UP SLAVES WHEN TODAY AND IN MODERN VEHICLES THEY CAN'T GO??? BUT AGAIN .B. WHY LET THE REAL WORLD STAND YOU YOUR WAY, H-U-H (SMILE)
AND, AS SOMEONE WHO STUDIES PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOT WHEN YOU END WITH THE (SMILE) IT IS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE INDEEP DO DO.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...YO U CAN PRETEND THIS BLOG ONLY HAS THE LAST FEW COMMENTS AS YOU TEND TO DO WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR BRAINY IDEAS LIKE THE LAST ONE YOU JUST MADE...TOO BAN YOU REJECT BELIEVING TAHT A COMMENT TO DOC. IS THE SAME AS ONE TO ME AGAIN NOTICE YOUR ANSWERS TO YOUR BRAINY QUESTIONS ON THE POST AS THEY GO WAY, WAY, WAY BACK...YOUR FRIEND ROBERT IS THE COUNTING THE AMOUNT OF HITS EXPERT...
ME AS THE REST OF THE OLE SITE MEMBERS LOOK FROWARD TO SEEING YOU AND ROBERT DIALOG AS IT IS GURANTEED YOU AND ROBERT WILL...OH WELL SEEING IS BELIEVING ON OUR SITE COMMUNITY AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD BUT ALSO SEEM TO BE IN DENAIL OF...
A.B. YOU ARE NEW TO OUR BIA SITE... (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC. IF A.B. HAD NOT LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG THAT YOU LEARNED NOTING IN YOUR BIASTUDY CLASS ESPECIALLY IN THAT CLASS OF THAT BLCK PROFESSOR I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH HIS EDUCATIONAL BACK GROUNDS...I COULD SAY CONGRADS TO YOUR OUTSTANDING GRADES...BUT, NOW THANKS TO BEING EDUCATED BY A.B. I JUST CAN'T DO IT...
SO I'LL JUST SAY SO, SO PROUD OF YOU BUSY BEE, KEEP THE GOOD WORKS UP BECAUSE WE GET A PART OF THOSE GRADE CREDITS. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DOC, WE ALL CHANGE MOMENT TO MOMENT...SOME GROW AND SOME SRINK...IT IS SUCH A SHAME THE POST WITH MINE AND STEVE'S PICTURE CAUED SUCH PAIN...BUT SOME PEOPLE CAN ONLY THRIVE OFF OF PAIN AND SUFFERING AS IN THE MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING REJECTED BY OTHERS THE GREATER TH ELOAD THEY MUST CARRY BECAUSE THEY ARE STUCK...LIKE SKAVERY I LOOK ON IT AS SOMETHING I AM SO PROUD WE SURVIVED SOME DID BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY AND SOME OF US DID NOT...ME, I AM ABOVE PROMOTING JIM CROW IN ANY WAY FORM OR FASHION EVEN VIA RELIGIONS...SKIN COLOR OR GENDER...HELL, "I" DO BELIEVE DAVID AND I FELL OUT OF FRIENDSHIP WITH EACH OTHER MORE THAN ROBEERT AND I DID...LOL!!!BUT WHAT CLOSED MIND WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCEPT MY SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT???!!!???...
ME "I" JUST LET MY SMILE LIGHT THE WAY AND KEEP ON MOVING FORWARD...BUT, "I" DON'T FEAR HELL ANY MORE. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@A.B. MY NDB PRACTICE IS ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS AND ONE OF THEM IS WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER (WHAT YOU MAY CALL A MOSQUE, SOM A TEMPLE, CHURCH, ECT) WE ARE LOCATED IN 192 NATIONS AND IF I WANTED TO LOCATE ONE OF THEM ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PUT IN THE CITY, TOWN, ECT. "I" WANTED TO FINE IT...SO A.B. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TH EMOSQUE I ATTENDED IWTH MY FRIEND, IT IS ON YOU TO BE INTERESTED ENOUGH IN LOCATING IT IN SACRAMENTO AND FINE OUT IF IT SI PRO OR CON IN YOUR BOOK AS I AM NOT THE LEAST INTERESTED IN YOUR INTEREST / OR NOT INTERESED IT TH EMOSQUE OR NOT AS THAT IS ON YOU, NOT ME. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THANKS SO MUCH STEVE...
MY ESSENCE DEMANDS THAT I MAKE EVERY THING I WEAR LOOK GOOD.LOL!!! (SMILE)...BUT SHOES ARE MY FAVORITE DRESS TO WEAR...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@A.B. YOU DO NOT KOW YET AS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE SITE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW ABOUT MY HAVING TWO HUSBANS AT ONE TIME SO IF YOU SEND MY VIA EMAIL YOUR PHONE NUMBER/ ADRESS MY NOI HUSBAND WILL BE GLAD TO CALL OR COME TOALK TO YO UABOUT ME ...AGAIN IT IS ALL UP TO YOU ...THAT IS IF YOU WORD IS YOUR BOND. (SMILE)...AND, BY THE WAY HE IS 6FT.7INCHES AND HELL HE IS MOST LIKELY OF THE WRONG MUSLIM FAITH AS YOU AND IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN ALSO DISCUSS THIS WIH HIM...AGAIN IF YOUR WORD ISD YOUR BOND...AND SINCE YOU CAN SPEAK FOR ME ON THE SITE THEN THAT IS FINE FOR ME AS WELL...
AND, NO A.B. "I" AM NOTHING LIKE YOUR SISTER BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED THE POWER OF WOMEN AS A CHILD...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@HARRY, AS ALWAYS YOU HAVE LIKE A FEW OTHERS YOUR OWN REALITY, RICH WAS ON THE SITE NOT LONG AGO AND HIS FRIENDS AND EXTENDED FAMILY CAN ALWAYS CONTAC TIM BY PHONE...AND ALSO YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO LEAV OUT HE WAS IN HURRICANE SANDY AND IS A SCHOOL TEACHER AND HARRY BY THE WAY DID YOU READ ANY OF HIS BOOKS ANY OF HIS EXCERPTS OR REPLY BY MEMBERS ON THE SITE AS RESPONSE OF READING HIS BOOK...
BUT, AGAIN ALL ON THE SITE OUT TO BUILD THEIR OWN RELIGION HAS NO TIME FOR ANYONE WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW THEM BLINDLY...JAMAL IS LIKE SOME OTHERS THEY COME TO B ABLE TO GET THEIR OWN WEBSITE MEMBERS AS WELL AND LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS CREATOR...
SOME SUCCEED SOME FAIL
"I" SEEN YOU AND ROBERT ARE STILL HER AND A.B. HAS JUST STARTED, YOU AND ROBERT HAVE YEARS ON A.B.LOL!!!(SMILE)...
@JAMAL, I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU SINCE YOU CHALLANGED DOC. THAT YOU WOULD SEND SOME OF THE GULF OIL SPILL UP AGAINST HER WHERE SHE LIVED IN FL.(ROTFL)
@A.B. MY BROTHER AND ALSO A MEMBER OF THE NOI IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN CNTACT THIS 6FT. 6INCHES ON TEH EAST COAST IF YOU LIKE SO EAST COAST OR WEST COAST OR ANY PLACE IN BETWEEN IS OPEN FOR YOUR CONVERSIONS OF THEM...SINCE YOU HAVE TAKEN IT UPON YOUR OWN SELF THAT I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS A WOMAN TO SPEAK FOR MY OWNSELF...THEY KNOW ME ON A PERSONAL LEVEL AND ACTIONS ALWAYS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORLDS EVER CAN DO....
PEACE...NOW I AMNOW GOING TO GO ON THE POSITIVE SIDE RIGHT AFTER THIS LECTURE TO BUSY BEE ON SH E IS NOT TO BELIEVE SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER'S BEHAVIOR AND WE NED A SENDING 'SMILE' POST...AND IT IS TOO BAD WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE OF JEN'S EXTENDED FAMILY PARTYS IN A LONG, LONG TIME...IT WOULD BE SO NICE TO HAVE ONE SOMETIMES SOON, JEN AND MIISRAEL...LOV YA A-L-L...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, "I" SHALL PUT HERE MY MOTHER'S DAY CARD A CARD ALL OF THE FEMLES GET FOR MOTHER'S DAY AS MOTHER IS ANYONE WHO NURTURES THE CHILD...
"MOTHERS ARE THE SUN. NO MATTER HOW DEEP THE DARKNESS OF SUFFERIG, WHEN HE SUN SHINES, EVERYTHING IS BATHED IN THE LIGHT OF HOPE. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, AS LONG AS TH EMOTHER IS STRONG, HER FAMILY WILL BE SAFE AND SECURE AND HER HOME A SPLENDID GARDEN OF HAPPINESS"...
A POEM BY THE PRESIDENT OF OUT NDB FAITH/ PRACTICE/PHILOSOPHY / SOCIAL LEARNING ORGINAZATION FOR BRINGING PEACE ON EARTH GOODWILL TO MANKINDAS WE ARE INDIVIDUALAS MEMBERS AS WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE WE CAN CALL IT WHAT WE AE COMFORTABLE IN CALLING IT AND CAN CALL IT A RELIGION IF WE LIKE AS PRESIDENT J.F.K. SING INTOLAW IT IS A LEGAL RELIGION IN AMERICA. (S-M-I-L-E)...
ME, "I" PREFER TO CALL IT A PHILOSOPHY OR PRACTICE...AND I CHOSE TO DO SO BECAUSE AS MY UCD GRADUATION MOTTO SAID...
"I AM BECAUSE............................WE ARE" (S-M-I-L-E)...OUR GRADUATION WAS SELF SEGRAGATION AND FOR TIS REASON WE TEND TO DO THIS AT UCD, IT IS DEFINED AS MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICES NOT HAVING THEM MADE FOR Y-O-U...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...LETS SEE...IRMA IS CONDMNED FOR BEING MARRIED TO STEVE, A WHITE MAN AND NOW I AM DAMANGGED GOOS BY A BLACK MAN AND THERE IS NOT TO BE SEEN NO PLAYING TH RACE CARD AND FOR ME TO BE SAYING TIS IS A 'PERSONAL ATTACK'???????????
OH WELL...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! OOPS ALMOST LEFT OUR 'TOO OLD' IS THAT AGE PROFILING OR JUST OVER AGE__NO LONGER AMOUNTING TO ANY THING ALONG WIT BEING FEMALE, MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER, FRIEND, FAMILY MEMBER OR WHAT IS MENT BY THE STATEMENT...IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO LATE???...
NOT TO WORRY WE AE NOT A-L-L ALIKE AND CAN SHOW RESPECT UNCONDITIONALY...AND MOVE FORWARD IN UNITY AND BEING HAPPY WITH POSTIVIE MATTERS NOT DIVISION...BEING ON PLANET STUCK ON STUPID WHERE THE ADDICTIONS OF FEAR AND JIM CROW RULES...(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HOPEJULLY A.B. STICKS AROUND LONG ENOURH TO LEARN WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS AND NOT ONE SINGLE MIND SET TO BE PROGRAMED TO SAY WHAT WE ARE TOLD IS TH CORRECT THING TO SAY OR TO DO LKE EMPTY MINDS JUST SAITING TO BE PROGRAMED...WE TEND TO BE IBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES WIT H ALL HAVING THE SAME OALKING POINTS...
WE DID AGREE, BUT WE DONNNN'T CALL DEMEANING NAMES AS MAKE CLAIMS OF BEING ATTACKED IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHERS....I BELIEVE THE PERSON WHO DID THAT BEFORE A. WAS JAKE, SANTI AGREE WITH HIM YOUR ARO FINE...SISAGREE SI A PERSONAL ATTACK...ALTHOURH HE WILL CAL YOU EVERY THING BOT A CHILD OF GOD AND BELIEVE HE IS ON A ROAD TO MAKE YOU FIT TO GO TO HIS HEAVAN, I GUEE...ME, I DON'T NEED A HEAVEN OR A HELL...I WILL BE REICARNATED.LOL!!!(SMILE)
I DON'T LIKE PEOPOLE TRYING TOUN MY LIFE BUT IN NDB WE HAVE SOMMME THINGCALLED HUMAN REVOLUTION....ITS WHEN YOUR DON'T ENJOY WHAT IS IN IT HOU CHANGE IT,,,"i" JUST DID...NO MORE PROBLEM FOR ME AT LEAST.
i NO LONGER WANT A.B. TO CHANGE ABOUT HIS OUT LOOK OF MY THATN IS NOT MY JOB AND I REFUSE TO TRY AND LIVE HIS LIFE FOR HIM.HOURS OF CHANTING CAUSE ONE TO THINK OF THE MYOHO-RENGO-KYOIT MAKES ONE VERY HUNGRY SO GO EAT A HEALTHY DINNER AND TAK A NAP W AKE UP AND ALLLIS RIGHT WITH THE WHOLD WORLD.
GOT MY KAYLE, RUTABAGA, BEETS. ZENNIA WHITE POTATOES,3 DIFFERENT KINDS OF SUNFLOWERS PLANTED...BUSY, BUSSY TOMORROW AS WELL.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
IF A.B. EVEN HAD A DESIRE TO EVEN SHOW AN IODA OF RESPECT FOR HIS OWN RELIGIOUS CHOICE HE WOULD NOT BE USING IT TO WAGE OPEN, UNNESSARY AND UNCALLED FOR WAR ON HIS OWN RELIGION CAUSED BY A.B. ALONE...Y-E-S A.B CAUSED BY YOU AS IT IT CREATED BY YOU AND AIDED AND ABETTED BY ROBERT ANOTHER LONG TIME BIA SITE **** DISTERBER...(I HAVE NEVER DATED OUT SIED OF MY RACE)...
1. I NEVER SEE 'RIGHT' / 'WRONG' AS BOTH ARE NEEDED FOR BALANCE IN SOMETHING NDB SAYS...NAM :DEVOTION.MYO(LIFE...MYSTIC)HO: (DEATH,LAW)RENGE: CAUSE AND EFFECT...KYO: SOUND...
THIS IS OUR CHANT (PRAYER)...WE ARE DEVOTED TO THE LAWS THAT CONNECTS THE UNIVERSE AND THE CAUSES WE MAKE WE ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EFFECT IT RESULTS IN...KYO MEANS SOUND AS PEOPLE USE SOUND AS A COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE CAN HELP BRING ABOUT PEACE ON EAARTH GOOD WILL TO MANKIND BUT ONLY IF WE CAN RESPECT EACH HUMAN AS BEING MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE....
THE INDIVIDUAL...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
AGAIN I TEND TO GO WITH TANGABLE THINKS THAT CAN BE DATED AND FIT INTO THE SOCIETY OF THE DATED TIME...AS I WAS NOT FEELING WELL YESTERDAY I TOOK NO NOTES ON H2 DOCUMENTARY ABOUT YET MOER 'BOOKS' TAKEN OUT OF THE 'BIBLE AND WHY...THIS TIME IT WAS ABOUT ADAM AND EVE AND TEH CHILD OF MARY'S AND JESUS HAVING TO BE RUSHED INTO EGYPT FOR SAFETY...BUT NOT TO WORRY IS WILL BE BACK ON...THEY DON'T BURN YOU AT THE STAKE TODAY...ONLY TRY TO KEEP THE MIND CLOSED AND ANGRY...ME, "I" MUST BE HAPPY AND WILL ALWAY BE AS LONT AS I DON'T GO BACK TO FEARING GOING TO HELL FOR NOT WASTING MY BRAIN POWERS IN NOT USING IT MY SELF. (S-M-I-L-I-)
@A.B. ARE YOU WILLING TO GO TO JAIL FOR LIFE FOR YOUR RELIGION IF TOLD YOU COULD NOT PRACTICE IT AND IF YOU PRACTICED IT YOU WOULD GET LIFE?...AND YOU HARRY....AND YOUR ROBERT.....ONLY A 1. YES OR A 2 NO IS NEEDED AS AN ANSWER...
ME, MY ANSWER WOULD BE A PROUD "YES". (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ANYONE WHO MUST ASK FOR A GUIDELINE HOW TO TREAT 'WOMAN' AT LEAST FROM WHERE I STAND STILL DOES NOT SEE/ BELIEVE/ ABLE TO ACCEPT WOMAN IS HUMAN YET?...
WE ARE NOT BORN ADULT WOMEN READY TO BECOOME s*x OBJECTS, HOUSE CLEAERS, ECT. SO WHY AND WHAT PRODUCES A MIND SET TO MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS ANY WAY...ISN'T THERE SOMETING CALLED NATURAL CARING WITH NO NEED TO ATTEND SCHOOL, CHURCH, HAVE A RELIGION THAT WE CAN CARE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WOMAN BECAUSE SDH IS AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN MIND AND BODY TO GET TO KNOW HER NOT GO OUT TO BUY HER FRIST THEN LEARN SHE IS HUMAN NOT PROPERTY LATER ON????????
"THE HUMAN MIND IS SUCH A WONDERFUL TING TO BE WASTED ON THINGS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NUP)
A.B. IS I AT ALL POSSIBLE THE YOU CAN CHANGE THE WOMAN TO PUT IN MAN AND THEN YOU GIVE THE PERFECT ANSWER ON HOW MANKIND SHOULD COME ABOUT ACCOMPLISHING THIS VERY THING...OR DO WE JUST CHALK IT UP TO MORE 'JIM CROW MIND SETS????????????????????????????(SMILE)...OR IS ASKING A QUESTION OF YOU A.B. ATTACKING YOU AS WELL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
1. WHO HAVE BROUGHT UP ANYONE NOT BEING WANTED ON THE BLOG? 2. WHO HAS CALLED ANYONE NEGATIVE NAMES, LABLES, SKIN COLOR? 3.WHO SAID WOMEN SHOULD BE TREATED IN A VIOLENT MANNER? 4. WHO HAS ACCUSED WOMEN OF ATTACKING THEM ON THE BLOG? 5. WHO SAYS WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE LOOKED UP TO? 6. TRYING TO COPY WHAT THE FEMALE DO THEN TRY TO PUT THEM DOWN AS A COVER -UP OF THE BEHAVIOR AS 'INFERIOR'?
IF YOU SAY THE "MUSLIM MAN"/ BORN AGAIN MUSLIM MEN ON ALL SIX YOU WOULD BE 100% CORRECT ON ALL 6 QUESTIONS. (SMILE)
@A-L-L...BY NOW YOU KNOW I LOVE THE ANTROPOLOGIST AND THEIR DOCUMENTARYS ON H2...AND WILL MAKE SURE TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THENEXT TIME THEY DO A REPEAT ON CONSTANTINE AS HIS CHRISTIAN CONVERSION...
WHAT I WILL PUT HERE FOR NOW IS AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THEY LOOKED AT HOW HE BUILDED THE CITY NAMED FO RHIM WHEN HE MOVED 'CHRISTIANITY' AS CHRISTIANITY WAS CHANGED IN BUILDING AND SYMBOLS BUT FREEDOMS WERE CONTINUED AS CONSTANTINE PROMISED AS HE WAS TO HAVE ALL BEING EDUCATED AS A PRIORITY. MY WATCHING THIS PROGRAM WAS LIKE I WAS UNLEARNING AND RELEARNING VISUALLY IN SORT OF REAL TIME...
SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE ACCOMPLISHED IF ONE HAS ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MIND THE OTHER SIDE IS W-R-O-N-G FROM THE GIT GO. I JUST SEE THINGS LIKE THIS AS HELPING TO END DISCRIMINATIONS ...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT, "I" DID SO ENJOY READING YOUR SECOND COMMENT AS IT WAS SUCH A PLESANT CHANGE FOR KNOWING WHAT YOU WOULD BE SAYING BEFORE YOU HAD EVEN SAID IT.(SMILE)
@A-L-L... NOW WHO BESIDES THE BORN AGAIN MUSLIM MEN ON THE BLOG SEEM TO BE DISSATISFIED?!? example, DISSATISFIED WITH / NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCEPT/ EXIST SIDE BY SIDE/ ON A BLOG WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS CHOSEN THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS CHOICE ...
AS IN 'FREE WILL' NOT HAVING HAD IT CHOSEN FOR THEM UNDER THREAT OF A SLIGHT BEATING / CALLED UNWORTHY/A DEMEAING NAME, LABEL, ECT? ... WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THEY THEMSELVES HAVE COME TO THIS CONCULSION ONLY AFTER CHANGING THEMSELVES AS IN BORN AGAIN AND EACH OF THEM BEING FROM THE SAME RELIGION AND STILL ARE AT EACH OTHERS RELIGIOUS CHOICES WHEN NOT AT SOMEONE ELSE'S CHOICES...MAYBE TAKING A LITTLE TIME OUT TO ENYOY THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS CHOICE COULD SERVE TO BRING SOME "TEND TO YOUR OWN BUSINESS"TEACHING MOMENTSLOL!!!(SMILE) (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OOPS, ALMOST LEFT OUT THIS IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IT IS WRONG FOR WOMEN TO HAVE EQUALITY AS WELL AS BELIEVE TO DO SO IS ONLY A WOMAN THING...WORDS TO THE WISE...IN TEH VIOLENCE AGAINT OMEN ACT JUST SIGNED INTOLAW IS IF YOU FORCE YOUR CHILD INTO A MARRIAGEA THEYOBJECT TO, YOU CAN AND YOU WILL BE ARRESTED FOR HUMAN s*x SLAVE TRAFFICINGS...(SMILE)...
M-A-N'S LAW...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I" BELIEVE THIS IS WORTH SHAREING AGAIN...'DOES NDB SUPPORT INTREFAITH DIALOGUE?'...
THE FOUNDERS OF THE WORLD'S MAJOR RELIGIONS SHAKYAMUNI, ABRAHAM, JESUS, MOHAMMED-AND CERTAINLY NICHIREN DAISHONIN ALL WORKED FOR SPIRITUAL SALVATION OF THE PEOPLE AMID PERSECUTION AND FIERCED OPPOSITION. THEIR EFFORTS SHOWED PEOPLE NEW, COMPASSIONATE WAYS OF LIVING...ACCORDING TO THE SECOND SOKA GAKKAI (VALUE CREATING SOCIETY)PRESIDENT TODA IF THESE LEADERS HAD MET TO GATHER, THEY WOULD HAVE QUICKLY REACHED A CONSESUS ABOUT THE BEST WAY FORWARD FOR HUMANITY.
TODAY, OF COURSE, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE DISCIPLES OF THESE TEACHINGS TO SPEAK WITH ONE ANOTHER, FIND COMMON GROUNG AND WORK TOGATHER TO SOLVE THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS PLAGUING HUMANITY.OF COURSE, BUDDHISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS HAVE DIFFERING VIEWS ON CERTAIN ISSUES...THE VALUE OF ANY RELIGION DERIVES FROM THE EXTENT TO WHICH IT LEADS PEOPLE TO LIVE LIVES OF COMPASSION AND HELPS THEM FOSTER THE COURAGE AND WISDOM TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELFARE OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY!...
AND, HERE "I" GATHER THE LAST THING WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET EVEN ABOUT 10% AGREEMENT ON IS SLAVERY MENTAL/ PHYSICAL FOR THE MALE SPECIES, C-O-R-R-E-C-T?????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????LOL!!! (SMILE)...
BUDDHISM TEACHES, LIFE IS GENEROUS IN PROVIDING ENOUGH SUFFERING FOR EVERYONE, NO EXEMPTIONS...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID, THANKS SO MUCH AS NOW I HAVE A MUCH BETTER WAY OF UNDERSTANDING 'RADICAL ISLAM' (SMILE)..AND, "I" REALLY CAN NOT PUT IT INTO THE SAME SENTENCE AS MALCOM X...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
A.B. "I" GATHER YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM YOU THAT IS BEFORE YOU CAME ONTO THIS SITE...NOW TRY TO MOVE THIS IDEA ONTO SOMETHING CALLED THE "INDIVIDUAL' BUT, IF YO U NOTICE EACH TIME RATHER THAT SAY THE WORD 'INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT' IT ENDS UP BEING...THAT PERSON JUST DISAGREED WIT H ME SO I WIL CALL IT AN ATTACK RATHER THEN THEY JUST HAD A THOUGHT THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN MY THINKING AS RELATED TO THE SAME ISSUE...
NOW DO FAR ON THE BLOG YOU, ROBERT AND HARRY COME TO THIS SAME CONCLUSION EACH AND EVERY TIME...AND AS ALWAYS AND CONTINUING WITH TANGABLE THINGS, "I" OFFER THIS WHOLE BLOG AS MY PROOFS OF THIS. (S-M-I-L-E)...INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL MINDS...
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I"FOUND SOMETHING VERY, VERY INTERESTING IN MY LOCAL PAPER...THIS TOOK UP A WHOLE PAGE. THEY HAD AN ARTILCE ABOUT THE DEATH OF J.F.K. AND RIGHT BESIDE IT WAS AN ARTICLE OF TEH DEATH OF MALCOM X'S GRAND SON. I DO HOPE THIS AS A MESSAGE OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO LET HIS DEATH GO IN VAIN? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"I" FIND I HAVE MADE A VITAL MOVE IN DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH ON'MUSLIM' BEING THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN AMERICA AND IT SEEMS ALL OF THESE ROADS LEADS RIGHT BACK TO IRAN AND RUSSIA !!!THAT BOMBING IN BOSTON SEEN TO HAVE SET OFF A POLITICAL/ RELIGION FIRE STRORM... IT IS KIND OF FUNNY HOW THE MORE THINGS CHANGE TEH MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME AS FAR AS 'WORLD DOMINATION IS CONCERNED ISN'T IT? LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@MY SON LISTEN TO MOM AS WELL AS YOUR OWN SELF. example, WHO LIVES DAVID'S LIFE FOR HIM?!? (S-M-I-L-E)...
ME, "I" HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OVER MY OWN LIFE UNTIL "I" CAN TAKE IT AND NOT GIVE THE 'SLAVE MASTER TEH SATISFACTION OF TAKING IT AT HIS/HER PLEASURE EVEN IF THEY COME UNDER THE LABLE OF GOD, ALLAH, BUDDAH, HUSBAND, MOTHER, FATHER, SISTER, FRIEND, ECT.!!!. (S-M-I-L-E)...
IT IS KIND OF PITIFUL TO BE GIVEN ONLY TWO CHOICES TO BE LABELED, 'THE CORRECT TYPE OF MUSLIM' (AND "I" PUT EMPHSIS ON EH C-O-R-R-E-C-T MUSLIM) OR AN ENEMY TO BE GOTTEN RID OF AS UNWORTHY...JUST A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT OR...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@A-L-L...HOW MANY ON THIS POST OF DAVID'S HAS MADE COMMENTS ON A.B.'S BLOG RELATED TO THE CORRECT MUSLIM'S TEACHINGS AND HOW MANY NONMUSLIMS WERE ABLE TO AGREE WITH A.B. AS COMPARED TO OTHER MUSLIMS BEING ABLE TO REACH COMMON GROUNDS WITH A.B.? ANY WONDER WHY THIS IS SO?!?...
ME, ABOUT ALL I FIND IN COMMON IS THE DEMEANING NAME CALLINGS AS MORE CENTERED THAN ANYTHING ELSE, HOW ABOUT YOU? (NUP/SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
NO, PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG THIS IS NOTABOUT A.B. PER SE, BUT IS ABOUT HOW IN MY NDB PRACTICE WE ARE TO BE OF A LIFE CONDITION EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS OUR PRACTICE HAS TO OFFER AS OUR HUMANITY...EQUALITY IN BEING MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE AND NOT OUT TO DISQUALIFY ANYONE FROM BEING A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF "I" AM WRONG, BUT DIDD I SEE A FELLOW MUSLIM CORRECT YOU ON YOU WERE NOT PRACTICING C-O-R-R-E-C-T-L-Y A FEW COMMENTS BACK ON THIS VERY POST?!? (SMILE)...
AND, ROBERT I AM SURE YOU AE SO , SO GLAD YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY EBONICS ON THIS COMMENT, HUH ROBERT?(ROTFLMAO)...
I FOUND OUT SOMTHING SHOCKING SAT. AS JAPAN IS ONLY A SMALL ISLAND, IT HAS 3,000 DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUDDHIST RELIGIONS SOMTHING I STILL FIND IT HARD TO EVEN PICTURE IN MY MIN'S EYES...BUT, I BELIEVE NDB IS THE ONLYONE WITH OUT A GOD FIGURE, WITH A REIGION TO SERVE US NOT US SERVE IT.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
WHOW, AS THERE IS SOMETHING VERY MAJOR WE SEEM TO BE LEAVING OUT ABOUT THE 'DARK AGES' AND THIS IS PHILOSOPY AND SCIENCE WHICH IS WHAT CAME OUT AND FOUGHT AGAINST ANY AND ALL KINDS OFABUSIVE, INHUMANE RELIGIONS/ MONEY MAKING POWERS THAT REJECTED THE 'INDIVUDUAL MIND' IN IT NEVER ENDING QUEST TO "QUESTION"...AND, WHY I SO LOVE MR. MORMAN'S SAYING, A TRUTH ABOUT RELIGIONS HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERES THEY ONLY RUN INTO PROBLEMS WHEN ASKED A QUESTION?!?...
AND, ANOTHER REASON I LOVE NDB BECAUSE IT SAYS JUST LIKE I DO, NO ONE HAS ALL OF THE ANSWERS SO CONTINUE TO LEARN ALL ONE CAN LEARN...AND THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE HUMAN BRAIN AS THINGS MUST MAKE SENSE TO IT OR IT CANNOT BE AT PEACE.example,
WHY IS MANKIND A SOCIAL ANIMAL? WHY DO WE NOT BE SATISFIED WITH THE 'UNKNOWN'?!?WHY DO WE ALL ON THIS SITE HAVE SOME FORM OF KINSHIP WITH EACH OTHER ON THIS SITE. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS SOMETHING NOT NATURAL TO US AND THIS IS RELIGION AS IT IS NOT IN OUR DNA AND WHY SOME RELIGIONS HAVE US BLINDLY TRYING TO WIPE OUT INDIVIDUALITY...WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE IN TROUBLE THE LAST TING WE ASK INSTINCTLY IS, "WHAT RELIGION IS THAT PERSON" AS THIS IS NOT NATURAL INSTINCT...
THIS IS SOMETING SLAVERY OF THE MIND. BODY TENDS TO TRY TO DO...AND, "I" SAY TEND TO DO BECAUSE OUR 'NATURAL INSTINCT HAVE US REJECT THIS, PERIOD(SMILE)...
NOW TRY THIS ONE ON FOR SIZE IF TIS WORKED WE WOULD HAVE NO NEED FOR RELIGIONS CONTINUING TO CHANGE AS SOCIETY CHANGES HERE AGAIN CHANGE WITH THE INVIRONEMNT OR GO EXTINCT!!!AND ANYONE DAYING MUSLIM FAITH TAHT WORKS IN THEMIDDLE-EAST WILL WORK IN AMERICA IS A LIE DSIPITE THE NAME CHANGES...STREET GANGS, TERRORIST CELLS, CHRITIAN CHURCH STILL HELD ALL DAY ON SUNDAYS NO COOKING OR WORK DONE ON GOD'S DAY, NO EATING OR DRINKING ON CERTAIN DAYS WILL BE OBSERVED BY SOME AND SOME WILL BE WILLING TO DIE RATHER THAN OBEY...BEING AN INDIVIDUAL IS NATURAL AND AGAIN IN OUR DNA AS CALLED SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST...
ANYONE HERE BORN WITH A RELIGION AS NATURAL SAY IT IS NOT TAUGHT AND HAVE NEVER CHANGED THAT FIRST RELIGION'S TEACHINGS BECAUSE IT DID NOT FIT INTO OUR SURVIVAL KIT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS..
(+ THERE IS ALWAYS THAT FAIL SAFE OF NAME CALLINGS/ CHANGING WHAT "I" JUST SAID TO FIT YOUR PRIVATE TRUTH...)
AND THESE I N OT ONE ON THE SITE CAN SAY THEY HAVE NOT DONE THIS...AT LEAST "I" NEVER LIE TO MY OWN SELF AND HAVE NEVER FOUND ANYONE IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR ME TO LIE TO OR FOR ON THIS MATTER. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
(ROTFLMPROUD BLACKAO)...AS "I" WONDER IF 'IRMA YOU ARE DAMAGED GOODS A MORDERN DAY VERSION OF 'IRMA YOU ARE GOING TO HELL'?...WELL WAS I DAMMAGED BEFORE OR AFTER THIS PERSON CAME ON THE SITE...NO, IT WAS ONLY AFTER DAVID POSTED THIS POST BECAUSE BEFORE HE POSTED IT, IRMA WAS JUST FINE....AND, ONE WONDERS WHY SOME RELIGIONS GO BANKRUPT OR COME UNDER NEW MANAGEMENTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, SLAVERY COME I AND OUT OF FASHIONS, THERE ARE WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS...HOW MANY TIMES DID I HEAR GOD WAS WITH THOSE CHRISTIANS SIDE KILLING MUSLIMS IN IRAQ, BECAUSE THE SAME GOD SAID THEY SHALL NOT KILL?!? (SMILE)...
THE MIND IS SUCH A TERRIABLE THING TO WASTE...BUT, EACH PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO HIS/ HER OWN TRUTHS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY XAN BE CONTENT THAT THEY AE NEVER TO BE HELF RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN BEHAVIORS AS THEY SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THEIR CREATOR...TO EACH ITS OWN AND MAY ONE DAY THEY LEARN HOW TO BE CONTENT AND BE HAPPY TO ALLOW ALL OTHERS TO BE THE BEST PERSON THEY CAN BE..."I" KNOW I AM HAPPY AND CONTENT IN THIS. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@DAVID SO GLAD YOU ARE NOT ON YOUR OWN BOLG ABOUT 'OPEN DEBATE' BECAUSE I WOULD SWEAR YOU WERE ON A SOCIALNETWORK 'ARGUING' BECAUSE YOU HAD LOW SELF WORTH AND OUT TO GET ATTENTION...
BUT KNOWING YOU HAVE TOO, TOO MUCH SELF WORTH TO BE CAUGHT DEAD ON A SOCIALNETWORKING ARGUING WHEN OTHERES ARE THERE IN AN 'OPEN DEBATE. (ROTFLMAO)(SMILE)...
KINDS OF BEGINNING TO SOUND JUST LIKE HARRY IN CALLING ALL BLACK AMERICANS STUPID AND WORTHLESS AND SAYING HE IS ALSO A BLACKAMERICAN...GO FIGURE ,BUT WHEN YOU LIVE EVERYONE ELSES' LIFE BUT YOUR OWN I GUESS THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS THE NORM. (S-M-I-L-E)...AND, "I" GATHER THE (S-M-I-L-E) WILL NOT BE STOLEN FROM ME ON THIS BLOG AT LEAST, BUT WHO KNOWS...
BUT, "I" DO FIND IT KIND OF INTERESTING HOW IN BETWEEN GIVING ORDERS THA PERSON TELLS OF ALL OF THE GOOD WORKS OF OTHERS IN CONTRIBUTIING TO THEIR RELIGION...SORT OF LIKE THE CHILD SAYING MY PRAENTS DID THIS AND THAT BUT NOT ONW WORD OF HIS/ HER CONTRIBUTIONS OUT SIED OF TURNING OTHERW AWAY FORM THAT RELIGION WAS UNWORTHY...LIKE NOW THEY HAVE FINALLY FOUND IT THEY MUST KEEP ALL OTHERS OUT AND BRING DOWN FARRAKHAN AND MALCOM X AS BONUS...
@RA, YOU WERE AND STILL ARE A POWER...PEOPLE TO TIS DAY STILL GO AND READ AND RUB THE WRITTINGS ON THOSE WALLS IN THOSE TOMBS...
AND, I CAN NOT SAY IT ALL IN FULL DETAILS BUT THE STORY OF THE FINDING OF MOSES AND HIS LIFE IS SOMETHING COMING FROM ANCIENT EGYPT AS WELL. (SMILE)BUT, WHAT IS EVEN MORE OUTSTANDING IS WE ARE STILL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WERE ABLE TO DO BACK THEN AS WELL AS USING SOME OF THE THINGS THEY KNEW THAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD DISCOVERED IN MODERN TIMES...TRY THE ELECRTRIC BATTERY. (SMILE)...
GOD ONLY KNOWS THE KNOWLEDGE DISTROYED IN THE NAMES OF CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM...BUT, AGAIN THE MIND NATURAL NEED TO TO SEEK OUT THE WHY, WHAT IS JUST OVER THE NEXT HILL...AND RA WILL CONTINUE HIS JOURNEY...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
LETS HAVE A LIFE OR DEATH CONTEST BTWEEN ME AND RA AND TH MUSLIM MEN'S PRAYERS FOR SEEING WHO SURVIVE THIS LIFE AND DEATH CHALLENGE...RA IS A PART OF THE MOTHER NATURE AS RULER OF PLANET EARTH...YOU WILL USE GOD AND ALLAH'S POWERS OF PRAYER AND FAITH TO FEED OURSEOLVES BECAUSE WITH FOOD WE DIE RIGHT...
NNOW HERE IS MY PLANS, WHEN RA STAYS UP LINGER IS SI WARM AND PLANTING TIME IT THE SPRIGH MOTHER NATURE SENS IN HIGH WINDS TO THIN OUT TOO MUSH FRUIT SO IS GROWS MUSH BETTER THEN RAIN AT THE PROPER TIME FOR THE CROPS TOFRWO IH TH HEAT AS RA IS OUT LONGER AND LONGER AND IT IS GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER,,,ANB BY THE WAH HOW IS THE PRAY CROP COMING OR DO YOU HAVE A LITTLE FAITHIN THE POSERS OF RA NOMUSLIM AND CHRISTIANS ANS WOULD NOW LIKE TO GIVE HI A LITTLE CREDIT AS GET SO SUN AND WATER TO HELP YOUR FOOD TO GO OR ARE YOU ONLY GOING TO SAY IT IS THE DEVILS WORK AND YOU WILL NOT TOURH IT OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL???...
BUT, "I" NEVER TAKE THAT GULL SECIROUS BECASUE TO GET TO SEE THEIR DREATOR I TO DIE AND THA IS TH LAST THING THEY WANT INTHIS LIFE TIME...SO GO FETCH A FEW SLAVES LET THE, DO TH WORK AND YOU CAN SAY YOU PRAYED AND NOW THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO DTARVE, CLEAVER UNTIL YOU GET OVER THROWN AND YOU WILL OR POISONED BY A FAMULY MEMBER WO WILL FACE THE SAME FAIT AND A FEW WARS ALL IN THE NAME OF A PEACEFUL AS LONG AS THEY CAN FIND WILLING PEOLE TO FOLLOW BLINDLY...MUSLIM FIND NO SUCH WILLING PEOPLE WAITINF TO BE COME YOUR WILLING 21CENTURT SKREW,...MAYA DATING SITE WOULD BE BEST,HUH, DOC...HET DOC OUT HERE WOMEN FRIVE THESE NEW HIGH CAB TRUCKS HOW ABOUT IN FL. THERE WOMEN AFE MARRIED WORK AND PLAY OVER THE WEEK END AT THH CASINOS...MY NEIGHBOR'S KINDS ARE GOING TO KILL ME IF THOSE DLOWERS DON'T GET SWRAWBERRYS ON THEN SOON. OUR WEATHERE GOE FROM THE HIGH NINTYS TO TH ELOW 82 FOR TH REST OF THE WEEK, I HAVE DOME TINH GRANNY APPLES BUT I AM GETTING DIC AND DIXY A LOT LATELY AND CAN'T GETT TOOMUCH DONE. I
DEE TH EDOC, WED AND MY FRIEND SUMICKO TOLD ME TO ADK MY DOC FOR SOMETHING TO GIVE ME AN APPITITE. I HAVE NEVER
LOST THIS MUCH WAIT SO FAST AND IT IS SO HARD TO KEEP FOOD DOWN,,,SOMETHING I NEVER HAD BEFORE, SHE SAID ID IS BEUSE OF BEING FF CHEMO FOR SO LONG ID DOING IT AS HER FRIEND WAS LIKE THT NCE HE STOPED TAKING IT. AS A RULE, I EAT THE HOUND DOWN, BUT NOT NOW. SO IN ONE MORWE DAY I GET TO DEE MY CHEMO DOCTOR.. I WILL TELL MY CHILDREN WHEN I FEEL BETTER
NOW GIRL YOU KNOW ME AND GRAND BABES, SO I NEED TO LNOW MORE ABOUT THE LITTLEST ANGLE...HOW LONG WILL HE BE WITH YOU. PIC, PIC, PIC...WHAT DOES HE CALLS YOU? BOY BEING GRANDMOM IS THE GREATEST BLESSING THAT CN BE BESTODED ON ONE. (SMILE)
@STEVE, WOULD NOT YOUR COMMENT HAVE TO BE RELATED TO SAY THE HOLY QURAN HAS NEVER, EVER, EVER BEEN HAVING ONE SINGLE WORD IN IT CHANGED ON PURPOSE OF FOR BETTER FIT FOR THAT ENVIORNMENT AT THAT TIME...example,
"I" DON'T CARE HOW DEVOTE A MUSLIM THE CAMEL SALSEMAN WAS HE WOULD NOT HAVE GONE SINGING AND PRAISING THE AUTO PUTTING HIM OUT OF BUSINESS WITHOUT TRYING TO FIGHT AGAINST THIS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH...AGAIN, I LIKE ALL OF MANKIND CAN NOT EXCAPE THAT NATURAL BORN INSTINCT TO 'SURVIVE' LOL!!!...
AND, EVEN THAT PROGRAM I SAW THIS MORNING ON OWN ALONG WITH THINGS MUST MAKE SENSE AT LEAST TO ME...I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO MY EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!! WHEN I NOW HEAR THIS 'CHRISTIAN NATION IS FIGHTING AGAINST 'RADICAL ISLAM'...HELL THE WAY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY AMERICA'S OWN MARRIAGE HANG UPS IS TO FOCUS BLAME ELSE WHERE...NOTHING LIKE NOT HAVING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE'S OWN BAD BEHAVIORS...WE HAVE ENDLESS GOD'S TO DO TIS FOR US NOW DON'T WE??????????????????? (N...U...P!!!)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ROBERT, PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T EVEN COUNT THAT IS BECAUSE ALLAH ACCEPTS WITH OPEN ARMS 'DAMAGED GOODS'...OR YOU MUST HAVE LIED ABOUT HAVING BEEN A FOLLOWER OF FARRAKHAN...YOU CAN NOT HAVE YOUR OWN FACTS CHANGE WITH EACH COMMENT AS STILL SAY IT IS AT THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH UNLESS ALLAH IS AS MUCH LIOKE HARRY AS POSSIBLE AND WHY I NOW SEE HARRY POPING UP WHEN HE IS NOT EVEN MAKING THE COMMENTS. (ROTFL) (S-M-I-L-E)...
THE MORE I SEE THE LESSONS ON THE POST TH ELESS I SEE OF HE ORIGINAL ISLAMIC FAITH'S RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THE MORE ADJUSTMENTS TO FIT INTO AMERICA...THIS CHRISTIAN NATION...THYE SURE DON'T FIT ANYTHING THAT IS GOING ON IN MUSLIM NATIONS THAT ARE OUT SIDE OF THE USA...SO ANYONE NOT FORMER FARRAKHAN FOLLOWERS PLEASE STAND UP AND BECOUNTED...AND, ROBERT YOU AND I WERE REALLY FRIENDS UNTIL YOU FOUND OUT FARRAKHAN WAS ONE OF MY CHOSEN BLACK LEADERS, I HAVE NOT CHANGED BUT IT IS YOU WHO DECIDED I WAS A DIFFERENT PERSON AFTER...KINDS OF RUNS IN THE FAMILY OF BORN AGAINMUSLIM MALES ON THE SITE...OOPS, IRMA JUST 'ATTACKED' ROBERT!!!LOL!!! WELL ONLY FOR TOSE WH HAVE NOT SEEN ME AND ROBERT EXCHANGE THIS INFO MANY TIMES IN MANY YEARSA NOW...
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT DAVID SAID BACK IN TEH COMMENT ABOUT MAKING FALSE CONCLUSIONS...EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...AND, AS STEVE SAID TO JAKE...STICK WITH YOUR SALSA BLOGS YOU LITTLE PUNK AND STOP TRYING TO CHALLANGE ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AT TIS SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN , YOU LITTLE PUNK!!!LOL!!!...
ME, "I" AM HAVING SO MUCH F-U-N...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
HOW OLD IS THE EARTH... HOW OLD IS THE WRITTENLANGUAGE... HOW OLD IS EGYPT'S RECORDED, DOCUMENTEDD FACTS OF ITS EXISTANCE... WHICH CAME FIRST JEWISH, CHRISTIAN, ISLAMIC WRITTEN FAITHS...
NOW HERE IS THE BIGGY WHY DO THE MUSLIMS THAT IDENTIFY WITH THE PERSIAN EMPIRE DECLARE THE ARABIANS THEIR NATURAL BORN ENEMY...NO NOT THE AMERICAN KNOCK OFF/ WANABE MIDDLE-EASTERN QURAN'S RULES AND RELEGULATIONS AND FAITH, BUT THE ORIGINALS?!?...WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN PERSONAL TRUTHS THAT ALLOW US TO CHANGE RELIGIONS LIKE ANYTHING THAT DOESNOT FIT INTO MAKING US HAPPY, SAFE, CONTENT IN OUR DAILY LIVES BUT WE CAN NOT CHANGE ACTUAL TANGABLE FACTS AS THEY ARE NOT LIKE EMOTIONS/ OPINIONS AND WILL NOT CHANGE EVEN AFTER BEING TESTED VOER AND OVER AND OVER BY WANNBE FAKE BULLYS LOL!!! (SMILE)...EVEN THOSE WHO TRY SO HARD TO BE IRMA...WHO FALSELY BELIEVE THEY ARE UNIQUE AS HUMAN PARISITES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ACTUALLY THE REALITY OF WHY BLIND FAITH IN ANY RELIGION IS , ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND LAWAYS BE A TOTAL FAILUAR...example,
WHY DO SO MANY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE CHRISTIANS SEEKING TO MAKE MUSLIMS LIKE THEM AND MUSLIMSTRYING TO DOTHE SAME IDENTICAL THING SOME THING BRAND NEW AND THE REASON IT WILL STILL NO WORK IS BECAUSE OF TTHEIR BEING THE 'MINORITY' AND IN 110% DENIAL OF THE HUMAN POWERS TO RESIST BOTH OF THESE BEHAVIORS BY THE 'MAJORITY' A MAJORITY CALLED THE HUMAN RACE!!!...
EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@ALL OF THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY...DO EVEN YOU BELIEVE IN THE BEGINING THERE WERE CREATED AT THESAME TIME TWO OPPOSING MUSLIM RELIGIONS OR HAS BASIC MATH CHANGED AND 2 COMES BEFORE ONE? ...AGAIN "I" AM NOT BEING PRESONAL ONLY OBJECTIVE BECAUSE OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM MAY BE WRONG AND THE EARTH IS REALLY FLAT! THAT IS IF 2 COMES BEFORE 1 IS WHAT "I" MEAN. (SMILE)
THE PERSIAON EMPIRE MUSLIMS SEEM TO BELIEVE THEY DID ALL OF THE WORK IN CREATING AND SPREADING ISLAM AND NOW THE ARABIAN MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO TAKE ALL OF THE CREDIT AND MAKE THEM LESS THAN/ DAMAGED GOODS...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OOPS, HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH BLIND FAITH AND ITS INSATIABLE NEED TO CHANG, DISTORT FACTS/ REALITY. example,
TOTALY 110% IN DENIAL ATH THIS IS DAVID'S POST WHERE HAS HAS CLEARLY POSTED..."OPEN DEBATE' HAS BEEN LEFT OUT ALTOGATHER...I WONDER WHY?!?...OH WELL ANOTHER STOLEN ID ONLY NOW IT IT MY SON'S ID THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED ON THIS BLOG. (N...U...P!!!)...BUT MY SON LIKE ME KNOWS IT IS ALL A PART OF SURVIVAL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY...
COMMENTS MUST BE CHANGED AS 'ATTACKS'... DIALOGUE MUST BE CHANGED INTO 'ARGUMENT'...NOW...????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????...LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
LOL!!!@STEVE HAVE YOU SEEN SO FAR A BLOG WITHITS THEME SAYING TO AVOID ANSWERING ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS ASKING FOR INFO ON YOUR RELIGION, PLEASE JUST CALL DEMEANING NAMES AS THE ANSWER/...
SPEAK ONLYOF WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE TO BETTER SPREAD YOUR RELIGION AS BEING FOR PEACE BY WAY OF UNITY AND NOT FEAR, HATRED, DIVISION BECAUSE YOU YOUR OWN SELF HAVE NEVER DONE ONE DAMNED THING LIKE THIS YOUR OWN SELF. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@david, "i" have so enjoyed tht blog, but it is just too much to realize someone is only here to try aind steal my identity. see you on another blog....by now (MOZELL) LOL!!!...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
1. In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
2. All the praises and thanks be to Allâah, Rabbi Al‘Âlaamîn(mankind, jinn and all that exists).
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. The Only Owner and the Only Ruling Judge of the Day of Recompense. 5. You Alone we worship, and You Alone we ask for help for everything.
6. Guide us to the Straight correct Way.
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Glory and Success, Not the Way of those who earned Your Anger and Loss; nor of those who went astray of the Truth out of ignorance, circumstance and error.
(The Different Groups, Communities, Families) XXXIX
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
2. We have sent down AlQur'aan to you Mohamed in truth: So worship and obey Allâah by doing righteous deeds sincerely for Allâah only.
3. AdDeen of worship and obedience is for Allâah only.
Those who take Auliyâ’ (idols, lords, gods, intermediators) besides Him say:
"We worship them so that they may bring us near to Allâah."
Allâah will judge between them concerning their differences.
Allâah does NOT guide a Liar, and a disbeliever.
4. Had Allâah needed a son or offspring, He could have chosen what He willed out of those whom He created.
Glory be to Him! He is above such things. He is Allâah, the One, the Irresistible.
5. He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth.
He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. He has commanded the sun and the moon to run on a fixed course for an appointed term. He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.
32. Who does more wrong than one who says a lie against Allâah, and denies..truth AlQur’âan, Prophet Mohamed and Monotheism!
Is there not in Hell an abode for the disbelievers?
33. Mohamed; who has received AlQur’âan and Monotheism and the true believers of Monotheism, those are AlMuttaqûn (the pious)
34. They shall have all that they will desire with their Rabbi. That is the reward of Muhsinûn (doers of good deeds).
35. So that Allâah may take from them the evil of what they did and give them the reward, according to the best of what they have done.
36. Is not Allâah Sufficient for His slave?
Yet they try to frighten you with those whom they worship besides Him! Who Allâah sends astray, for him there will be no guide.
37. Whom Allâah guides, for him there will be no misleader. Is not Allâah All-Mighty, Possessor of Retribution?
38. And if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
They will say: "Allâah has created them." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allâah, if Allâah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm?
Or if Allâah intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?".......Say:
"Sufficient for me is Allâah; in Him those who Believe, must put their trust."
39. Say: Mohamed, "O My people!
Work according to your way, I am working according to my way. Then you will know
40. "To whom comes a disgracing torment, and on whom descends an everlasting torment."
41. We have sent down to Mohamed( صلى الله عليه وسلم) AlQur’âan for Mankind in Truth. So who ever accepts the guidance, it is only for his own self, and whoever goes astray, goes astray for his loss.
You Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم are not a Wakîl ( disposer of affairs, judge) over them.
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
57. The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind does not understand.
78. Indeed We have sent Messengers before you Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم): of some of them We have related to you their story.[2]
And of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the
Leave of Allâah. When comes the Commandment of Allâah, the matter will be decided in Truth, the followers of falsehood will then be lost.
b) The asking of Jibraeel from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم about Belief, AlIslâam, Ihsân (perfection) and the knowledge of the Hour,
and their explanation given to him by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. Then the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said to his companions:
"Jibraeel عليه السلام came to teach you your Faith." So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم regarded all that Deen. And all that which the
Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم explained to the delegation of ‘AbdûlQais was a part of faith. And the Statement of Allâah عز وجل :
"Who ever seeks a Faith other than AlIslaam, it will never be accepted of him." (3:85).
Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه :
One day while the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was sitting in the company of some people, Jibraeel (Gabriel) عليه السلام came and asked,
"What is Faith?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "Faith is to believe in Allâah, His angels, the meeting with Him, His messengers, and to believe in Resurrection."
* Then he further asked,
"What is Islâam?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied,
"To worship Allâah Alone and none else, to perform AsSalât (Iqamât-AsSalât), to give the Zakât and to observe Saum (fasts) during
the month of Ramadhâan,"
** then he further asked, "What is Ihsân (perfection)?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied,
"To worship Allâah عز وجل as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you."
(1) When a female slave gives birth to her master. (2) When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of the five things which nobody knows except Allâah.
Abu ‘Abdullâh رضي الله عنه said: He (the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) considered all that as a part of faith. (Sahih AlBukhâri, Vol.1, Hadîth No.47).
*In this Hadîth, only 4 articles are mentioned, while in another Hadîth, 6 articles are mentioned:
(i) Allâah; (ii) His Angels; (iii) His Books AtTaurat, AlInjeel, AlQur’âan and all the other Holy Books revealed by Allâah; (iv) His Messengers, (v) Day of Resurrection and (vi) AlQadar (Divine Pre-ordainments), what ever Allâah has ordained, must come to pass.
**Again the principles of AlIslâam mentioned here are 4, but in other narrations, they are 5 - 5th is the pilgrimage (Hajj ) to Makkah
for the one who can afford it once in a lifetime.
[2] (V.40:78) There are many Prophets and Messengers of Allâah. About twenty-five of them are mentioned in AlQur’aan; out of these twenty-five, only five are of strong will, namely: Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم, Nûh, Ibrâhîm, Mûsâ, and ‘ÎsâibnMaryam عليهم السلام .
