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Jeffery Robinson, the ACLU’s top racial justice expert, discusses the dark history of Confederate symbols across the country and outlines what we can do to learn from our past and combat systemic racism.
"The Negro business is a great object with us, it is to the Trade of this Country as the Soul is to the Body, and without it no House can gain a proper stability." Hey Ron, was Joseph Clay a White Supremacist? Is that what his problem was?
No, that Joseph Clay was a realists and a business man of that day, that was the law Under the Constitution, a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person.
Steve, did you know, Ten of the first 12 presidents owned slaves. This is who we were as the United States became a nation.
I 'am sorry Steve, I made comments on Joseph Clay law Under of the U.S. Constitution, a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person and NOT the under Christianity Steve.
There is nowhere in the Holy Bible that states a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person Slick!!!
That law was on the side of White Supremacy Steve don't you agree?
I 'am sorry Steve, I made comments on Joseph Clay law Under of the U.S. Constitution, a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person and NOT the under Christianity Steve.
By the way Steve, that comment of robert is nowhere on this blog post. Are you smoking that BULL 💩 again? (laughter...)
There is nowhere in the Holy Bible that states a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person Slick!!!
That law was on the side of White Supremacy Steve don't you agree?
Your KJV gave the slave master license for his sins He went straight to your Christian religion to prove he was the chosen one. The same mistake you make Ron.
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Tuesday, June 30th 2020 at 11:57PM
Steve Williams
I made comments on Joseph Clay law Under of the U.S. Constitution, a slave was counted as three-fifths of a free person and NOT the under Christianity or The Holy Bible Steve.?
15 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you. 16Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.
This is the law under my KJV and do you think that Joseph Clay would follow this law?
15 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you. 16 Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.
What law of slavery in the Holy Bible that the slave master license for his sins He went straight to your Christian religion to prove he was the chosen one. Quote me that scripture Steven, OK!!! on your next reply, can you do that?
So Ron, did the European improve the lives of his slaves when he gave them your KJV? Here you are still stuck with it and you'll never improve until you put it back on the shelf.
Shang dynasty (second millennium BC) Edit
The earliest evidence of slavery in China dates to the Shang dynasty when, by some estimates, approximately 5 percent of the population was enslaved. The Shang dynasty engaged in frequent raids of surrounding states, capturing slaves who would be killed in ritual sacrifices. Scholars disagree as to whether these victims were also used as a source of slave labor. [6]
Warring States period (475–221 BC) Edit
The Warring States period saw a decline in slavery from previous centuries, although it was still widespread during the period.[7] Since the introduction of private ownership of land in the state of Lu in 594 BC, which brought a system of taxation on private land, and saw the emergence of a system of landlords and peasants, the system of slavery began to decline over the following centuries, as other states followed suit.
Qin Dynasty (221–206 BC) Edit
Main article: Qin dynasty
The Qin government confiscated property and enslaved families as punishment.[8][9]
Han dynasty (206 BC – 220 AD) Edit
Further information: Society and culture of the Han dynasty
One of Emperor Gao's first acts was to manumit agricultural workers enslaved during the Warring States period, although domestic servants retained their status.[1]
Men punished with castration during the Han dynasty were also used as slave labor.[10]
Deriving from earlier Legalist laws, the Han dynasty set in place rules penalizing criminals doing three years of hard labor or sentenced to castration by having their families seized and kept as property by the government.[11]
During the millennium long Chinese domination of Vietnam, Vietnam was a great source of slave girls who were used as s*x slaves in China.[12][13]
Xin dynasty (9–23 AD) Edit
In the year AD 9, the Emperor Wang Mang usurped the Chinese throne and instituted a series of sweeping reforms, including the abolition of slavery and radical land reform. Slavery was reinstated in AD 12 before his assassination in AD 23.[14][15]
Three Kingdoms (220–280 AD) Edit
During the Three Kingdoms period, a number of statuses intermediate between freedom and slavery developed, but none of them are thought to have exceeded 1 percent of the population.[1]
Tang law forbade enslaving free people, but allowed enslavement of criminals and foreigners.[16] Free people could however willingly sell themselves. The primary source of slaves was southern tribes, and young slave girls were the most desired. Although various officials such as Kong Kui, the governor of Guangdong, banned the practice, the trade continued.[17] Other peoples sold to Chinese included Turks, Persians, and Korean women, who were sought after by the wealthy.[18][16] The slave girls of Viet were erot*cized in Tang dynasty poetry. (The term Viet(越) actually referred to southwest China. Hence in the context of the poetry (越婢脂肉滑), the words slave girl (婢) of Viet (越) more likely describe a girl from southern China than from present-day Vietnam. The poetry may therefore be misunderstood).[19]
Song dynasty (960–1279 AD) Edit
Further information: Jingkang Incident
The Song's warfare against northern and western neighbors produced many captives on both sides, but reforms were introduced to ease the transition from bondage to freedom.[1]
Yuan dynasty (1271–1368 AD) Edit
The Yuan dynasty expanded slavery and implemented harsher terms of service.[1] In the process of the Mongol invasion of China proper, many Han Chinese were enslaved by the Mongol rulers.[20] According to Japanese historians Sugiyama Masaaki (杉山正明) and Funada Yoshiyuki (舩田善之), there were also a certain number of Mongolian slaves owned by Han Chinese during the Yuan. Moreover, there is no evidence that Han Chinese suffered particularly cruel abuse.[21]
Korean women were viewed as having white and delicate skin (肌膚玉雪發雲霧) by Hao Jingceng 郝經曾, a Yuan scholar, and it was highly desired and prestigious to own Korean female servants among the "Northerner" nobility in the Yuan dynasty as mentioned in Toghon Temür's (shùndì 順帝) Xù Zīzhì Tōngjiàn (續資治通鑒): (京师达官贵人，必得高丽女，然后为名家) and the Caomuzi (草木子) by Ye Ziqi (葉子奇) which was cited by the Jingshi ouji (京師偶記引) by Chai Sang (柴桑).[22][23]
Ming dynasty (1368–1644 AD) Edit
The Hongwu Emperor sought to abolish all forms of slavery[1] but in practice, slavery continued through the Ming dynasty.[1]
The Javans sent 300 black slaves as tribute to the Ming dynasty in 1381.[24] When the Ming dynasty crushed the Miao Rebellions in 1460, they castrated 1,565 Miao boys, which resulted in the deaths of 329 of them. They turned the survivors into eunuch slaves. The Guizhou Governor who ordered the castration of the Miao was reprimanded and condemned by Emperor Yingzong of Ming for doing it once the Ming government heard of the event.[25][26] Since 329 of the boys died, they had to castrate even more.[27] On 30 Jan 1406, the Ming Yongle Emperor expressed horror when the Ryukyuans castrated some of their own children to become eunuchs in order to give them to Yongle. Yongle said that the boys who were castrated were innocent and didn't deserve castration, and he returned the boys to Ryukyu and instructed them not to send eunuchs again.[28]
Later Ming rulers, as a way of limiting slavery because of their inability to prohibit it, passed a decree that limited the number of slaves that could be held per household and extracted a severe tax from slave owners.[1]
Qing dynasty (1644–1912 AD) Edit
The Qing dynasty initially oversaw an expansion in slavery and states of bondage such as the booi aha.[4] They possessed about two million slaves upon their conquest of China.[1] However, like previous dynasties, the Qing rulers soon saw the advantages of phasing out slavery, and gradually introduced reforms turning slaves and serfs into peasants.[1] Laws passed in 1660 and 1681 forbade landowners from selling slaves with the land they farmed and prohibited physical abuse of slaves by landowners.[1] The Kangxi Emperor freed all the Manchus' hereditary slaves in 1685.[1] The Yongzheng Emperor's "Yongzheng emancipation" between 1723 and 1730 sought to free all slaves to strengthen his authority through a kind of social leveling that created an undifferentiated class of free subjects under the throne, freeing the vast majority of slaves.[1]
The abolition of slavery in many countries following the British emancipation led to increasing demands for cheap Chinese laborers, known as "coolies". Mistreatment ranged from the near-slave conditions maintained by some crimps and traders in the mid-1800s in Hawaii and Cuba to the relatively dangerous tasks given to the Chinese during the construction of the Central Pacific Railroad in the 1860s.[4]
Among his other reforms, Taiping Rebellion leader Hong Xiuquan abolished slavery and prostitution in the territory under his control in the 1850s and 1860s.[4]
"Slavery exists in China, especially in Canton and Peking ... I have known a male slave. He is named Wang and is a native of Kansu, living in Kuei-chou in the house of his original master's son, and with his own family of four persons acknowledged to me that he was a slave, Nu-p'u. He was a person of considerable ability, but did not appear to care about being free. Female slaves are very common all over China, and are generally called . . .
YA-TOU 丫頭. Slave girl, a female slave. Slave girls are very common in China; nearly every Chinese family owns one or more slave girls generally bought from the girl's parents, but sometimes also obtained from other parties. It is a common thing for well-to-do people to present a couple of slave girls to a daughter as part of her marriage dowery. Nearly all prostitutes are slaves. It is, however, customary with respectable people to release their slave girls when marriageable. Some people sell their slave girls to men wanting a wife for themselves or for a son of theirs.
I have bought three different girls; two from Szű-chuan for a few taels each, less than fifteen dollars. One I released in Tientsin, another died in Hongkong; the other I gave in marriage to a faithful servant of mine. Some are worth much money at Shanghai."[29]
In addition to sending Han exiles convicted of crimes to Xinjiang to be slaves of Banner garrisons there, the Qing also practiced reverse exile, exiling Inner Asian (Mongol, Russian and Muslim criminals from Mongolia and Inner Asia) to China proper where they would serve as slaves in Han Banner garrisons in Guangzhou. Russian, Oirats and Muslims (Oros. Ulet. Hoise jergi weilengge niyalma) such as Yakov and Dmitri were exiled to the Han banner garrison in Guangzhou.[30]
20th century Edit
Throughout the 1930s and 1940s the Yi people (also known as Nuosu) of China terrorized Sichuan to rob and enslave non-Nuosu including Han people. The descendants of the Han slaves, known as the White Yi (白彝), outnumbered the Black Yi (黑彝) aristocracy by ten to one.[31] There was a saying that can be translated as: "The worst insult to a Nuosu is to call him a "Han"." (To do so implied that the Nuosu's ancestors were slaves.)
[32][33]
21st century Edit
See also: s*xual slavery in China
Some Chinese citizens and foreigners are unlawfully kept for unfree labour or are raped.[5]
This is good information but I see that you have not answered my question: “This is the law under my KJV and do you think that Joseph Clay would follow this law?
15 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you. 16 Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.
What law of slavery in the Holy Bible that the slave master license for his sins He went straight to your Christian religion to prove he was the chosen one. Quote me that scripture Steven, OK!!! on your next reply, can you do that?
Then Since you could not answer my questions, you started to talk about slavery in China. Wow!!!
Enslaving another human being is morally reprehensible Ron. As you see in that long history of the practice, in China for thousands of years, sometimes GOOD has won out and sometimes EVIL has prevailed. Your precious KJV told the slaver he had no need to fear the wrath of hell. Jesus took care of all that.
Steve, this quote is from Matthew 10 and it looks like this passage is from New International Version (NIV)
That passage do "NOT" give any slave master license for his sins or allows that slave master to run right straight to Christian religion to prove he was the chosen one as a slave master.
You have proved nothing with that quote.
GREED was the motivation for slavery. Steve, don't you understand The purpose of slavery was to get free labor so that they didn't need to pay workers. This is why it was often used in the South, because of farms and things like that. But, the actual % of slave owners around Civil War time was very low. They wanted the slaves to work in tobacco and cotton plantations and they did not pay them for their work.
Now these slave own wrongly used The Holy Bible for that purpose of striking fear and obedience to the slave master.
Now the difference in the words and the history that you are quoting from pale in comparison of the atrocities of the slave master and white supremacy in the history of this country.
Hmmm... Interesting subject lines; different points of comprehension... Ya'know, Brother Mualim, I would like to have met Brother Ali (and a host of back-in-the-day prophets & soothsayers). The conversations would surely have been more than interesting with the advent of today's uprising(s).
Thanks gentlemen for your interest and input to this posted entry.
Ron, I agreed with you when you said slavery was about greed. Then you reversed yourself and said it was about white supremacy. There's only one root cause - which is it?
Greg, thanks for the forum. I've seen about half of your clip but the news just keeps pouring in.
You did quote a scripter from the bible didn't you? So, we was on the topic referring The Bible, is that correct?
Now the difference in the words in that Bible and the history that you are quoting from that book pale in comparison of the atrocities of the slave master and white supremacy in the history of this country.
Now you are going to act like white supremacy did not exist during slivery, guess what pop up after the south lost The Civil War, THE KKK and they are still here and none of them today owned Slaves.
So Steve, why is that group here and growing in the United States today?
If there is white supremacy then why do the white evangelicals agree with the black evangelicals? God did not become a Man to save your sorry ass Ron. That's up to you and it's up to you to overcome any outside supremacy force. You are supreme but you won't let go your security blanket. Why?
Now you are going to act like white supremacy did not exist during slavery, guess what pop up after the south lost The Civil War, THE KKK and they are still here and none of them today owned Slaves.
So Steve, why is that group here and growing in the United States today? I 'am standing by for your reply.
The Confederacy came about because the states seceded. The KKK came about because the Union made war on the Confederacy and the confederates lost. They were two different things Ron and by the way, the confederates weren't traitors.
"The Truth Shall Surely Set Us (All) Free!"
why do the white evangelicals agree with the black evangelicals?
"GREED was the motivation for slavery!"
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