"NO DISCIPLINE NO LOVE" BY MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN (5447 hits)
NOTE FROM SIEBRA:
The following speech was made shortly after the murder of Derrion Albert, a high school student from Chicago, Illinois.
THE HONORABLE MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN:
There is a scripture in the Bible that teaches that Allah (God) is Love. The creative force out of which He created the heavens and the earth is the awesome power of His Love. In that great display of love, Allah (God) regulates the affairs of His Creatures by means of law. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that the first law is motion and the second law is order. Out of Allah's (God's) Love, He puts all things in motion, and, out of His Love, He gives order to that motion by means of law.
Children today are growing up in homes where there is no discipline because there are no rules. Children today do what they please and their parents, mothers in particular, allow this license not realizing that their unwillingness to train the children up in the way they should go will bring great pain to the parents in the future. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The sun in our universe is the great example of freedom, for, its light gives life to all things within its sphere of influence and also warmth. There are nine planets in our solar system and each planet's affair is regulated by the Law of Light that disciplines each planet giving it an orbit in which to rotate, from which it can never escape. In the Bible, Jesus uses these words, "I am the Light of the World.” He was made by Allah (God) to glorify Him, and, the Light of His Wisdom gives life to those whom His Wisdom touches, and, the warmth of His Love comforts those who are touched by His Light.
The Qur'an refers to Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), “As a Light Giving Sun.” This teaches us that Muhammad in His Person, is the Light of what Allah (God) brought through Him called Qur'an, another name of which is Al-Nur – The Light. Muhammad in the beauty of His Light and Life and in the warmth of His Love, by the permission of Allah (God), gives spiritual life to all those who accept His Guidance and follow His Way.
It is not an accident that the companions of Jesus were called His Disciples. In the word disciple we have the word discipline. A disciple is one who is in the process of being disciplined or is disciplining his or herself according to the Teaching and Way of a Master.
Oft times, in the Bible Jesus rebuked His Disciples.
REBUKE: To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand: to check or repress.
Why did He do so? He rebuked them because He loved them. Therefore, in His rebuke was correction because He wanted them to be as Allah (God) desired. We can never be what Allah (God) desires of us without correction, rebuke and exhortation. Therefore, the Bibles teaches us, “Train up a child in the way he should go and, when he is old, he will not depart from it.” We cannot teach or train without correction and rebuke. There is no student of any teacher of any discipline that is not corrected in order to grow into the perfection of that discipline. The more correction one is given, the greater is the demonstration of love.
The Bible teaches, “Whom the Lord loves, He chastens much.”
CHASTEN: To punish, either physically or morally; chastise: to restrain; moderate: to refine; purify.
Children today are growing up in homes where there is no discipline because there are no rules. Children today do what they please and their parents, mothers in particular, allow this license not realizing that their unwillingness to train the children up in the way they should go will bring great pain to the parents in the future. A train that is on a track is disciplined by the track.
The engine pulls the train. Likewise, the parents should be the example of what the parent hopes for in the children. The parents are the engine that pulls the child along the track. Whenever a train jumps the track, we have what is called a wreck or disaster. The lives of our children are being wrecked, and disaster is in their future if we do not love them enough to lay down rules that we encourage our children to live by.
As we look at society today and we see the police armed to the teeth with bulletproof vests as they go about their duties, it is as though they are in a huge cage with violent beasts that they must protect themselves from as they try to establish some degree of order by means of enforcement of law.
If there is no discipline in the home, is there a chance for discipline in the school? Many teachers who have given their lives to the idea of educating the young are giving up their profession because they lack the methodology and psychological training that would allow them to produce discipline in their classrooms. So, the schools today resemble psychiatric wards in mental hospitals. The poor teachers oft times give up their profession and take other means of employment because teaching is impossible in an atmosphere where there is no discipline.
There was a time when discipline was administered in the church, but, today in most churches there is no discipline. People come to listen to the preaching; listen to good singing, giving their tithes and offerings and then they go back to the life-style that they are living. Very few pastors, ministers and imams will rebuke their parishioners to make them better Christians, better Muslims, or better Jews. If there is no discipline in the home, the school, and the church, then, the streets become a jungle and the police become the so-called tamers of the wild beasts of the street. This is a loveless society.
When children come out of a home where there is no discipline and go into a home where there is discipline, you will find that they like being where there is discipline. There is a human need to be disciplined, and, therefore, to discipline is a human right. As parents, we must have the right and the authority to discipline our children. As teachers we must have the right and the authority to discipline our students. As pastors, ministers, and imams, we must have the right and the authority to discipline our membership. If we do not do our job out of love for those in our care, the judge, then, has to do his or her job and give our children time in prison or sentence them to death because we did not love them enough to train them properly when they were young. Society is robbing the parents and the teachers of the right and the authority to discipline the children and the students. I know that there is child abuse and there must be laws to protect children from abusive parents, but, spanking a child to correct it is now considered abuse, however, when several policemen snatch a man who is shot four or five times out of a vehicle and repeatedly stomp him, the public is told, “Do not rush to judgment, wait until the facts are in,” even though we know we are looking at raw, vicious brutality.
If the police can kill a human being and it is called justifiable homicide, is there not a time in our homes that a parent is justified in spanking or disciplining their children? Is there not a time in school when teachers are justified in disciplining the students?
This society has gone mad, and, because of its madness with all of its magnificence, it is spiraling downward into the abyss of hell.
We must create a movement to take back our God-given rights and the authority that Allah (God) gives us to make a better human being through love that is shown by our willingness to bring order into the life that we put into motion by means of rules, laws and the imposition of punishment when we willfully disobey those rules and laws. These rules and regulations are designed to train us up in the way that we should go.
May Allah (God) bless us to receive the Light of His Love; the Warmth of His Love; and, the Beauty of His Discipline.
In the Bible, David said, “Thy rod, and Thy staff they comfort me.” There is no child who will not be comforted by the proper use of the rod and the staff. We, as parents, must come back to Allah (God) and let Him be the center of our lives that we may grow in wisdom to become the disciples of Jesus, the disciples of Muhammad, rather than those who love to call the names of these Great Ones, but, refuse to be disciplined or discipline ourselves according to the Word of Allah (God).
In the Bible, the early Christians were called by Jesus and Paul, “little children.” When we come into the Light of Knowledge and Faith we are like babies. We do not have the ability to discipline self. Therefore, discipline must be imposed on us until we are able to discipline ourselves. Mothers and fathers, it is our duty to discipline our children. Teachers and professors, it is our duty to discipline our students. Ministers, preachers, imams, and sheikhs, it is our duty to discipline those who are under our charge. If we exercise the right of authority in the proper manner, we will make a better home, school, church and a better society.
Reading this made me think back to my "BLACK EADERSHIP" blog where I addressed Derrion Albert's murder. Farrakhan is correct, where there is no discipline there is no love. Just look at how Black youth are fighting and beating each other over the head with sticks killing each other in the middle of the street like wild savages. I'm not even 30 years old yet and I seen the time when Black men would have NEVER allowed racist crowds to get together and talk about Obama the way they do; regardless of whether they thought he was an Uncle Tom or not they wouldn't allow it as a matter of principle. Grown Black men and women should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever let their community get so savage that their children and grandchildren can get away with behaving like animals while the devil/whiteman smirks and look on. Strong Black men and women should hold rallies all through out the streets of Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc. DEMANDING an end to the madness in thier communities. For DOING right is much more important than BEING right.
When you hold rallies is because you do not have a permanent solution and neither is your leader anointed. Moses did not hold rallies throughout Egypt. In addition, nothing that I have said suggests rallies that should tell you that I have been anointed with the permanent solution and only God anoints.
Mr. Farrakhan is not anointed. Love and discipline means nothing if you are not sovereign or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
Only the anointed one of our people could lead us to sovereignty or complete independence. I am that anointed one.
As lengthy as Mr. Farrakhan speech was he said nothing about a permanent solution, am I right?
No Harry, but what he did say is much more meaningful than sovereignty.
Sunday, October 11th 2009 at 9:37PM
Steve Williams
And Harry, were it not for rallies, you'd still be sitting at the back of the bus. You should thank your God for the courage of those who gave you what you have now.
Sunday, October 11th 2009 at 9:40PM
Steve Williams
Harry, as a first step, start your own social networking site. The multitudes will come flocking to you as they did Jesus on the mount.
Sunday, October 11th 2009 at 9:43PM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,
As I said before, you are not as smart as I thought that you were.
You said this, “No Harry, but what he did say is much more meaningful than sovereignty.”
Now, if Black Americans were sovereign people would it be necessary for the speech made by Mr. Farrakhan? Any elementary school kid would answer, of course not.
You said this, “And Harry, were it not for rallies, you'd still be sitting at the back of the bus.”
I have the same answer for you Steve; do you think that if Black Americans were a sovereign people would it have been necessary for Dr. King to organize the Montgomery bus boycott? Any elementary school kid would answer, of course not.
Lastly, you said this, “Harry, as a first step, start your own social networking site. The multitudes will come flocking to you as they did Jesus on the mount”
This seems to me to be another one of your Nevada ludicrous suggestion.
I know that you made it clear earlier that you do not want to see Black Americans become independent people. However Steve, even though you are White why not change your mind and support me?
Black American sovereignty or complete independence is going to happen anyway, Steve.
Remember, no one believed Moses that the Exodus was going to happen.
First of all I offer an apology. The sarcasm contained in my comment on building a website was unnecessary and counterproductive and furthermore would not have been stated that way in person, which is the rule I try to follow on these web conversations. I broke that rule and I apologize.
My suggestion on building a website and building a community in Nevada (as an example where there is available land, and as an idea for the basis of an economy) are serious suggestions. I am not being frivolous.
You say that I am against your idea of sovereignty. I am not. If you have the backing and the means to achieve it, I would not object, and if I am alive when it happens, I most likely would prefer that nation to the one I am currently a citizen of. I am not happy with the current state of the nation.
However, I personally believe it is more productive to work within the boundaries that are in place. I believe an integrated society is a loftier goal. And there are many other things in America that need to change in addition to the racial problems: monetary policy, foreign policy, etc.
The achievement of your sovereignty will still leave all the many problems we have now to be solved. Why should we not work for good as an integrated society. What is wrong with Mr. Farrakhan promoting good parenting now. Why can't we work to find solutions for all these issues now, instead of someday...
Harry, let me try to explain something. Yesterday I became a member of a Black Baptist church. They do not promote their church on the basis of color, but they are mostly black, with a smattering of white faces to be seen. Nobody judges me on my color, I am welcomed as a brother. We had our first meeting of the Technology Ministry following the morning service. They already have a computer lab and website set up, the man who has set up the lab works for IBM, the woman who works on the website forks for Verizon. I will be helping to maintain the computers and to develop an education program, first for the church members, and then for community outreach. This is how I see the individual works for the community and the small community works for the larger, parents and community work to build up this country we call America.
This part of your comment is what I want to respond to specifically, you said this, “However, I personally believe it is more productive to work within the boundaries that are in place. I believe an integrated society is a loftier goal.”
Steve the main and divine purpose of Black Americans is to become a sovereign people or have complete independence. Why, is because Black Americans must brave the natural challenges of life and nature that qualifies all the different races to be advanced, in the middle or on the bottom of humanity and Black Americans have always been at the bottom of society.
I neither advocate nor promote sovereignty just to escape the subjugation and racism of White America even though these problems would immediately be resolved once we have complete independence on a portion of this continent.
Likewise, Prophet Moses neither advocated nor promoted the permanent solution of the Exodus just to escape the oppression of the Egyptian people. Moses wanted his people to brave and overcome the challenges of God’s creation and his people could not very well face these challenges as an oppressed people or as an integrated people with Egypt.
The loftiest goal any race could achieve is to be completely independent to unleash their creative imagination and wrap it around the mysteries of all the sciences in life to learn and understand what is going on in God’s creation. This natural goal could only be achieved by braving the natural obstacles that life hurls at every people reaching for this lofty goal.
White American people faced these challenges and overcame them from the time they first landed on this continent through taking this continent from the native Indians to the point that they are at now as being the number one superpower in the world. Consequential, the White American race is qualified to receive a medal of achievement from God, if you will. Do you understand where I am coming from, Steve?
Now, to do as you suggested that Black Americans work as an integrated society naturally would and unintentionally cheat Black Americans out of the experience and the bittersweet taste of what it is like overcoming the challenges that would qualify them to receive the medal of achievement from God as White Americans did. Remember Steve that Black Americans were born into slavery and they do not know what it are like to be completely free and independent people.
Steve, look at it this way so you could better understand what you are absentmindedly suggesting. You are suggesting that those African nations that fought against colonization and later pursued their independence from Britain as the people of Zimbabwe did or the people of India did through Mahatma Gandhi could have worked with Britain as an integrated society, and stayed colonized and suppressed. According to you working it out together would have been a loftier goal to achieve. Steve, again you are just plumb out of your mind. Perhaps, even Moses could have worked with Pharaoh as an integrated society would have been more lofty a goal then the sincere freedom of the Hebrew people. Steve you are just totally out of your mind and people like Ms. Irma who agrees with you is just ignorant not to want to see her people completely independent in a country of her race.
I understand why you think as you do and it is because you have not come from ancestries that were subjugated. You do not understand me, Steve. You do not feel my pains.
It is because of your desire to experience the freedom to overcome the obstacles of nature that I have suggested Nevada. A community can experience this within an existing country. It does not require a sovereign nation or state.
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 11:02AM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,
I can no longer deal with you. You have become too ignorant. You do not have the intelligence to understand what I say much less oppose what I say.
Solar energy is a great challenge. I am totally serious about Nevada and am tempted to undertake it myself. But do you really want a White man to lead the way? Do you doubt your ability to do what I suggest?
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 11:18AM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,
Steve, it is apparent that you do not have the intelligence to understand what I am saying that I want for Black Americans and what I was anointed to do, which is to plant the seed of sovereignty in the minds of my people as our only permanent solution. In other words, I do not get my inspiration from you. Since you do not have the wits to show that, the concept of sovereignty is wrong you are becoming more and more ignorant as to time passes with ridiculous substitutions.
I had addressed the Nevada issue. You admitted to Robert that it was a stupid suggestion and now you are right back at it again. Therefore, either you do not have the intelligence to understand what I am saying or you do not want to understand what I am saying. I believe that you do not want to understand what I am saying since you have made it clear that you do not want Black Americans to be sovereign or to have complete independence people on a portion of this continent that they can call their very own country with borders.
I don't believe Robert either said it was a stupid suggestion and I know that I don't think it is. Sorry that I would bring up the subject from time to time, seems you are the only one allowed to do this.
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 2:34PM
Steve Williams
But no Harry, you have your own selection criteria for answering questions. As in, I don't believe you answered my questions.
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 2:39PM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,
You just do not understand. I have explained it from top to bottom and from side to side that I want Black Americans to be completely independent on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
I claimed that God had inspired me with the concept of sovereignty as Black Americans’ only permanent solution. I explained to you Black Americans’ sovereignty or complete independence is not just to escape subjugation, but for a more admirable reason. I said that Black Americans must brave the challenges of life open to all races that were qualified them to take care of themselves as a complete organism or race of people. You do not understand or you are completely dumb and ignorant. When a person gets to the point it becomes frustrating of explaining anything to them my best option is not to give up I need to save my energy for my own people because they are truly blind, deaf and dumb. Do you understand me?
For you to suggest that Black Americans build a community in Nevada desert you are just as dumb as dumb could be.
If you were able to show, that sovereignty is not in the best interest of Black Americans that would be a more intelligent approach than suggesting stupid stuff. If you could accept this inference and we don’t need to argue about it that as God anointed Moses with the Exodus, God anointed me with the concept of complete independence on a portion of this continent and if you were me would you turn God’s offer down to accept the desert in Nevada? Well, if you do you are as dumb as dumb would be.
Gender based thought? Siebra states: "Strong Black men and women should hold rallies all through out the streets of Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc. DEMANDING an end to the madness in thier communities. For DOING right is much more important than BEING right".
I would have said: "Strong American men and women living in urban areas of Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc. should join the NRA, get licensed and END the madness and DECADENCE in their communities.--For DOING right is much more important than BEING right." Sorry for the plagirism Siebra, but its a Man thing. Discipline of Self produces Love of Self.
It is you who do not understand. I am talking about working towards your sovereignty. As others have pointed out, you have no plan other than to claim you are anointed and speak the words of God as Moses did..
All fine and good but where are you going to start? For one thing, start your own website and gather those of like mind - you are not finding them here.
Do you realize the effort that would be required to do what I have suggested? Nevada is only an example. You would have to create a community, an economy, a government. If you cannot do this on a small scale, how can you hope to do it on a grand scale?
I'll even help you Harry. If you doubt my ability go to http://patft.uspto.gov and look up patents 4958342, 4935925, and 4882727.
@ Steve that is exactly what I said he should do, in fact I went even further and told him to use certain tag words to attract people. Either you saw my posted comment about this on another person's blog or it was also something on your mind. I rather believe it was something already on your mind.
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 7:09PM
Marquerite Burgess
Marquerite, Somehow I missed that. I always look for comments from my friends, so I guess we are thinking the same. It seems like a logical place to start. And it also requires a team effort, which I am not sure Harry is ready for.
You said this, “As others have pointed out, you have no plan other than to claim you are anointed and speak the words of God as Moses did..”
Your comment is not true. Again, my plan is planting the seed of sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent in the minds of Black Americans as our only permanent solution to our problems that have plagued us since slavery. Somehow Steve, because of your lack of intelligent and poor reading comprehension skills you think that my plan is that I am anointed as Moses was. Again, my primary plan is to plant the seed of sovereignty in the minds of Black Americans.
Secondly, you said this, “It is you who do not understand. I am talking about working towards your sovereignty.”
How ignorant could you be to think that you would understand better than I would the concept of sovereignty or complete independence that God has anointed me with but overlooked you with the same solution? You sound like a lunatic.
Furthermore, how sincere could your suggestions to be when you are not a supporter or committed to the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way?
Stop making yourself look foolish, okay. As I said before, what you need to do is rationally show me that sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans is detrimental to them and is not in their best interest. I will entertain that type of dialoguing from you, but not any of your ludicrous suggestions.
I am not interested in dialog under terms dictated by you. So I will reserve my comments for correction only. And probably not even then, as you have shown yourself incorrigible.
Monday, October 12th 2009 at 10:18PM
Steve Williams
Hello Ms. Burgess,
Since you are not yet a committed believer in your own sovereignty or complete independence, your suggestions could not be sincere.
One of the things that Black Americans on our journey towards complete independence on a portion of this continent will be integrity. We are going to be a people with the highest of integrity a people could have. We are not going to be deceivers, liars, swindlers and cheats. We are going to be up right people.
I was known to be an upright man as I grew up and made a living in my neighborhood as a man to my word. I did not cheat or deceived anyone.
You said this, “I am not interested in dialog under terms dictated by you.”
Your lack of understanding and poor reading comprehension skills are very noticeable. I did not spell out any terms by which the subject, the sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans on a portion of this continent, is to be discussed. I simply said that your only option is to show that the concept of sovereignty or complete independence is detrimental and not in the best interests of Black Americans since you are going to be on the opposite side of the table from me. In other words, you cannot be on the same side of the table as I am and be my adversary. I need to be looking in the face of my adversary and my adversary needs to be looking in my face. Does that make any sense to you?
Nevertheless, I simply made the logic that you could not tell me what I do not understand about what God has given to me and not to you. You are following behind me since you did not initially introduce the concept of sovereignty. So, intelligently speaking, how could you know better than I about sovereignty?
For instance, when God gave Moses the concept of the Exodus many Egyptian dummies thought they knew better than Moses about the Exodus. Would you not say that these Egyptians were absolute dummies to challenge Moses when God gave the concept of how to redeem the Hebrew people to Moses and not to any Egyptians? Therefore, who else would understand better than Moses did the concept of the Exodus, except Moses? Do you understand my logic?
Next, you said this, “So I will reserve my comments for correction only.” Here again, is your ludicrous thinking. How it is that you could correct my understanding and mental vision of Black American’s sovereignty or complete independence that God inspired me with and not you? In addition, what you are saying subliminally speaking is that you understand better than God does to inspire me how best to redeem Black Americans from a life of slavery and subjugation of White America. How could you not see yourself as a lunatic expressing White Supremacy?
Steve stopped making yourself look foolish. You are not wiser than I am.
I came for my people as Moses came for his people. The redemption of Black Americans is going to happen. Black Americans many generations from today are going to be a people the world could never have imagined it was possible. God’s style of doing things that would confound humanity is to take what humanity considers to be trash and make it into something more eloquent than what the wisest minds could have imagined possible.
White American people have made themselves successful by their own strength and resources. That is good and there are to be commemorated for their successes. However, when God makes you successful that is even better, since no man could stop God’s will. In other words, when God is for you, who could be against you? A perfect example of what I am saying is that since God was for Moses and the Hebrew people, then how Pharaoh could prevail against them. Am I making any sense with you, Steve?
I am the way Steve for Black Americans and not you.
Harry, your definitions are europeanChristian definitions. Musa(Moses) could not be distinguished physically from the children of Pharoah-Fact He was a favorite son of Pharoah, He was a prophet not to the jewish people but to Pharoah---Pharoah believed He was the Sovereign of the Heavens and Earth, the giver of life and death. Pharoahs destruction was the Prophetic mission of Musa and of course Pharoah, the greatest nonBeliever of his time, was vanquished in the Sea........ He was vanquished for his disbelief and his insistence that He was Sovereign Allaah then gave his Prophet Musa the gift of miracles and annilated the most powerfull army of that time.------ many of those delivered out of Pharoahs religion made the golden cow and wandered 40 years trying to get a few hundred miles---Fact DISCIPLINE to Allaah allowed Musa to stand in front of his adopted father-Pharoah, and Allaah LOVED his servant Musa's discipline and allowed the Sea to help save Musa.
Tuesday, October 13th 2009 at 8:32AM
robert powell
Robert, I hate to follow your most eloquent description of Musa with my own mundane response to Harry but I must.
Tuesday, October 13th 2009 at 9:41AM
Steve Williams
Helol Harry,
Dialog should be open and free. None of us should see ourselves as the wiser. I am no kind of Supremacist, I believe in the human race.
Family, I will say this and I will shut up and sit back down and drink my coffee...
I've read many of Harry's responses to this blog. Most of them are dripping with pure insanity and unabashed judgement. For all these people who claim to be with aiding towrds the liberation of our people, it is a very sad, Sad, SAD statement that Harry thinks everything has to be his way or the highway. That's absolutely preposterous. Allah controls the very atoms that make up everything. There is nothing and no one (or groups or nations of ones) that can stop Allah from blessing or punishing who He pleases. You and I breathe at the permission of Allah, only because of the opportunity He gives us to magnify His creation and at this time that primarily consists of raising the thought level of the Blackman in North America back to that of actually being God of the Universe (not just talking about it). Its Allah who is the judge-- no one else.
Elijah Muhammad spoke about the "Fall of America", and it's HAPPENING just as he predicted. We therefore also know that AFTER this difficulty comes EASE (the Hereafter... Paradise). So all those who are truly with ALLAH, will be guided through this time UNHARMED. Everyone else is therefore unprotected. If Harry was truly with aiding towards the liberation of our people (meaning those who are with Allah) he would clear up confusion, answer questions, inspire divinity, and promote positive motion. That, however is not the case. He is NOT with Allah. He is the center of confusion, disbelief and doubt. Harry is doing nothing to bring peace and unity to the BIA members. Harry only offered lies, confusion, misdirection, sorrow and insanity.
The banning of Harry from the Muhammad NOI site that my brother administers should have been a lesson for him right there that you CANNOT fight against the righteous and win. All those who stand in the way of the rise of the Blackman/woman to be in harmony again with Allah should either move out of the way or be removed.
You said this, “Musa(Moses) could not be distinguished physically from the children of Pharoah-Fact”
Whether or not Moses physically could not be distinguished from Egyptian children, you and I know he was not Egyptian. You and I know that his mother and father were Jews and not Egyptians. In other words, we know Moses origin. Am I right? Therefore, your point is moot.
Next, you said this, “He was a prophet not to the jewish people but to Pharoah---Pharoah believed He was the Sovereign of the Heavens and Earth, the giver of life and death.”
This irrational comment of yours is absolutely absurd and this is why. It was Moses and not Pharaoh that led the Hebrew people out of bondage in Egypt. So, for you to say that Moses was not a prophet to the Jewish people is utterly ridiculous and does not make any sense at all.
Next, you said this, “Pharoahs destruction was the Prophetic mission of Musa and of course Pharoah, the greatest nonBeliever of his time, was vanquished in the Sea”
Robert, something is wrong with your mind and this is why. First, you say that Moses was a prophet to Pharaoh. Now you say that Pharaoh’s destruction was the prophetic mission of Moses and that Pharaoh was the greatest nonbeliever. Robert, you seem mentally unable to decide anything about Moses. You have always been a difficult person to reason with because of the Islamic religion, which have screwed up your mind.
Next, you said this, “He was vanquished for his disbelief and his insistence that He was Sovereign”
This comment is not true. Pharaoh was destroyed because he refused to let the Hebrew people go. Pharaoh had been warned several times by Moses to let the Hebrew people go. Pharaoh found it very difficult to let the Hebrew people go.
Robert, as much as you know you do not really understand what you know.
I am the way. I am the anointed one for Black Americans. I come for you since your father was a descendent of slaves.
Your obligation is to show that what I say is not true and if you cannot then it is only right that you recognize who I am to you.
You said this, “Dialog should be open and free. None of us should see ourselves as the wiser”
Well Steve, our dialogues are open and free. Because I say I am wiser than you are should not prohibit you from proving that I am wrong if indeed that I am wrong. Making a truthful comment about myself and proving it seems to offend you and it should not. Nevertheless, I am wiser than you are. I am establishing my place in the pack as we sought out who is the alpha male and who is not.
Next, you said this, “I am no kind of Supremacist, I believe in the human race.”
I understand you mean well and I give you the benefit of the doubt. However, sometimes because of a person’s environment and who the person is certain things grow on them as moss grows on trees. In your case, you may not intend it but sometimes White Supremacy bleeds through your skin. Understand where I am coming from Steve?
Anyhow, do you believe that sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans on a portion of this continent is the best thing that could happen for Black Americans since Blacks came out of a past of slavery? Please answer this question.
I do not understand what is wrong with you, Siebra. We have been communicating now for over a year. When we first became acquainted, I declared to you that I am Black Americans first genuine prophet. I said to you that Allah God anointed and constantly inspires me. I said that Allah God anointed me with the concept of sovereignty as Black Americans only permanent solution. I said to you that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are going to become a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. I said that our sovereignty or complete independence was not just to escape subjugation and racism in White America, but it is for a more noble and admirable cause.
Black Americans must experience the agony it takes to overcome the natural challenges that nature hurls at all sovereign and independent people as well as the joy of victory when these challenges are overcome. We are going to become a very studious and accomplishing people.
Consequentially, Allah God is with me as I am with you who are my people. Your fussing and bashing me is normal since history shows that all prophets regardless of their race had went through what I am presently going through now.
What you should do Siebra is come to understand that Mr. Farrakhan neither promote nor advocate the sovereignty of our people on a portion of this continent. You know that Mr. Farrakhan has put a great distance between himself and his teacher Mr. Elijah Muhammad. You know that Mr. Fard Muhammad is not God, as Mr. Elijah Muhammad believed that he was. Consequentially, the NOI’s followers are all screwed up mentally speaking.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way.
Anointed prophets are God’s choice and not man’s choosing. You all chose Mr. Farrakhan and not Allah, am I right?
You really do not know my background or environment, now do you?
My answer to your question is that he best thing that could happen to Black Americans is the same as the best thing that could happen to White Americans or any other Color Americans. That we we unite to grow as Americans and become a moral people in all respects.
Well you are not really answering my question. So let me tell you what I want since you have told me what you wanted. I want my share of this continent that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves could have our own country. Then, you and all the other colors you referred to could unite and grow in America.
Steve, whether you like it or not Black American sovereignty is going to happen and you would be welcome to visit with a visa or become a citizen. Black American sovereignty would not be taking anything away from White American sovereignty.
You may be right Harry, either way is fine by me. I am not a prophet. I don't think I would be up to it.
Tuesday, October 13th 2009 at 9:59PM
Steve Williams
Harry, this is and will be the very last time that I address any comment posted by you that is addressed directly to me.
Because I do not agree to go along with you and what you propose, does not mean that I'm not sincere when I say: Start your own blog, use tag lines to draw attention to what you are proposing and you will get your following from those that agree with and are willing to believe in your endeavor. Instead of you basically taking over other people's blogs, as you have been doing all this time. I have no desire to be apart of what YOU propose because I seen you be beyond rude and attempt to bully people into going along with you, agreeing with you. I don't see you as a prophet, but just someone that has looked at the state of as you say " Black Americans descendants of slaves" and have come up with a solution that you believe will work.
Other people have come up with the same solution, in fact have discussed it. I remember very clearly the Honorable Louis Farrakhan saying the same exact thing, the very same thing during the million man march. I believe it was recorded and can be purchased, if you don't have a copy to view and see it for yourself. You are not and I repeat, you are not the first to propose this.
Wednesday, October 14th 2009 at 2:28AM
Marquerite Burgess
Hello Ms. Burgess,
You said this, “Harry, this is and will be the very last time that I address any comment posted by you that is addressed directly to me.”
When I look into the mind of a person that would make a statement as yours, I see a very sore-hearted person that has everything against me while I have nothing against her. Prophet Moses had to content with these sorts of feelings from his own people. Nevertheless, God have anointed me to lead you into a better life of sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Remember, complete independence in a country of our own is something that we as Black Americans have never had.
Next, you said this, “Because I do not agree to go along with you and what you propose does not mean that I'm not sincere when I say: Start your own blog,”
Now, I understand that you are sincere in your advice to me concerning things I should do. However, your sincerity is not in good faith. You do not mean me any good now. Perhaps later on, you may come to love me as I love you. Those who were very heated with Moses in the beginning most came to appreciate Moses and developed a sincere love for God for sending them Moses. Perhaps this will happen to you later on.
I do not take over the blogs of others nor do I bully anyone. I think that you say that because you see strength and power coming from me. What you see is my anointing.
Now, whether I am not the first to propose sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent as Black America’s only permanent solution is not important to be argued. What is important is that I am the own anointing one, while others were not. Therefore, our sovereignty or complete independence will surely be delivered through me. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves ever to become a real people in this world.
No, Harry,, the whole europeanChristian concept of Musa(Moses) states he HAS to be different physically from Pharoah-------- Negro preachers have lived and died continuing these False, UnTruth Understandings of Reality----- BIA has been wrong on Understanding and Comprehension about their Human Worth vs Europeans. BIA thinks their human value started at Slavery....... I have lived in Egypt and seen some Pharonic features straight noses, some broad, some lean, some short, lean fat---etc. The concept of looking at Human Beings as black/white/different is a European English defined concept; made for Division in the Human Family of Adaam. Harry; Belief is measured in Comprehension, Understand Definitions, Scholarship, History and then the LOVE to Practice that Scholastic DISCIPLINE.
Wednesday, October 14th 2009 at 9:48AM
robert powell
Hello Robert,
Since you are smothered by the European/Christian concept of how you should look at humanity while blaming others for the, same thing you are missing my point.
See Robert, my point is that you know that Moses race was Israelite, which is a different race from the Egyptians. Likewise, you know that the race of a Chinese man is different from that of a Japanese man. Now, if you are not mentally capable to recognize within all of humanity there are many different races how could I make my point with you?
Likewise, if you own a car dealership and sold three different models of cars, cataracts, Chevrolets and Ford but I specifically want to buy a Chevrolet and you cannot tell the difference between a Cadillac, Chevrolet and even a Ford how is it possible I could buy a Ford car from you? It would not be possible, because all I will get out of you are arguments. You are blind, deaf and dumb intelligently speaking.
Please bring your self to some type of rational understanding.
The ignorance of Black people has twisted me in knots. I just really cannot believe it. Just think, Robert, elementary things are bumps in the road for us. However, such elementary bumps do not exist in the dialogues of White, Chinese and Japanese people.
Much agreement with all that you have said my brother Steve...but the reality is that a closed mind is never opened to any thing that did not come from that person who has a mind like this...what worked even in our own lives just 5-10 years ago does not fit into our dailey lives today. example,we have computers today.but, unlike the space ship Enterprise, where all they have to do is go tell a computer to provide their food and drink we must some how have to manage to get these things for our own selves.(smile)
I am also willing to believe that many of our children are being raised with both love and tough love which is needed to be ready and willing and able to obey the laws of our society just as faithfull as those they have grown up with under their parents roofs. but, just as we see/ hear more on our public air waves the negative we are more in tuned to there must be no positiveout there...I see this positive every day in my community, among my friends and on the street where I live...I know that those like you (White-male) and me (Black-female) will never settle for any thing less that this.(smile)....AND, THIS IS ALL THAT IT TAKES....
